Tricky questions about abortion

[CelticChristian]

What is the best way to respond to these pro-choice arguments?

1. “It’s all very well saying you’re against abortion, but what if your wife got raped? I’m sure you’ll say you’d keep it, but you don’t know until you’re in that situation”.
2. “You can believe what you want about the issue, but you can’t go around forcing your religious beliefs on others who don’t share them. You might believe life begins at conception, but other people have a different opinion on that issue”.

Thanks and God bless.

 

[marytk]

1. “It’s all very well saying you’re against abortion, but what if your wife got raped? I’m sure you’ll say you’d keep it, but you don’t know until you’re in that situation”.

I would say that I don’t know exactly how I would feel but I Know that aborting the baby would not undo the rape. If it was too hard I might give the baby up for adoption. People act like abortion erases the rape. It may undo ONE consequence of it but it can’t undo the horror or the pain.

1. “You can believe what you want about the issue, but you can’t go around forcing your religious beliefs on others who don’t share them. You might believe life begins at conception, but other people have a different opinion on that issue”.

What if I said that I have the RIGHT to believe that all nonwhites are inferior and therefore it is ok for me to mistreat them or enslave them. I would NEVER force you to keep slaves. You are free to believe what you want but not to force your perceptions on me.

Law is based on some kind of morality. I am not free to decide it is alright for me to steal as long as I really really want it. I can’t decide that in my mind Killing Games are just a lot of fun and come on if YOU don’t think they are right just don’t play. We haven’t yet decided that Man/Boy love is just hunkdory as long as they both say they want it

My two cents God Bless You too

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

1. “It’s all very well saying you’re against abortion, but what if your wife got raped? I’m sure you’ll say you’d keep it, but you don’t know until you’re in that situation”.

Like marytk said, I don’t know how I would feel, but I sure wouldn’t kill the child. The child did nothing wrong. Besides, I would rather talk about the 99% of abortions that happen for reasons other than rape. <–make sure you say that last part, because in my experience, the people who bring up rape don’t only want abortion legal for rape; that’s just an excuse they use for keeping abortion on demand.

1. “You can believe what you want about the issue, but you can’t go around forcing your religious beliefs on others who don’t share them. You might believe life begins at conception, but other people have a different opinion on that issue”.

I would point out that when life begins is not a matter of personal opinion or belief; rather it is a matter of scientific fact. There is not a single biology, anatomy, embryology, human development book in existance that says that life begins at a point other than at conception. Also, what if I were to say this: “If you’re against rape, just don’t rape anyone yourself, but don’t tell ME what to do! Don’t push your beliefs on me!”

In Christ,
Rand

 

[Joe_Kelley]

What is the best way to respond to these pro-choice arguments?

1. “It’s all very well saying you’re against abortion, but what if your wife got raped? I’m sure you’ll say you’d keep it, but you don’t know until you’re in that situation”.
2. “You can believe what you want about the issue, but you can’t go around forcing your religious beliefs on others who don’t share them. You might believe life begins at conception, but other people have a different opinion on that issue”.

Thanks and God bless.

So could I allow the child to be born and then cut him up? Or could I just shoot the rapist?

 

[SenorSalsa]

the act is the evil, the life is a gift. they are not the same thing, and getting rid of the latter does not undo the former

 

[Texas_Roofer]

…1) “It’s all very well saying you’re against abortion, but what if your wife got raped? I’m sure you’ll say you’d keep it, but you don’t know until you’re in that situation”.

That would be a crime which occurred, killing the baby would be a second crime.

1. “You can believe what you want about the issue, but you can’t go around forcing your religious beliefs on others who don’t share them. You might believe life begins at conception, but other people have a different opinion on that issue”…

really, it was my religious beliefs that placed murders, rapist, kidnapers, drug dealers, thieves, in prison. You liked religious views then, so what changed you?

 

[wanner47]

What is the best way to respond to these pro-choice arguments?

1. “It’s all very well saying you’re against abortion, but what if your wife got raped? I’m sure you’ll say you’d keep it, but you don’t know until you’re in that situation”.

By that logic, we should legalize all murder. After all, it’s all very well saying that people who catch their spouse in bed with another person shouldn’t then proceed to kill their spouse, but you don’t know what you’d do in that situation.

See where that logic leads?

Regardless of the circumstances, murder of innocent human life is wrong. The fact that the conception was the result of a rape does not justify punishing the child for a crime it didn’t commit, nor does it justify compounding one evil act (the rape) with another (the abortion).

1. “You can believe what you want about the issue, but you can’t go around forcing your religious beliefs on others who don’t share them. You might believe life begins at conception, but other people have a different opinion on that issue”.

The belief that life begins at conception and that abortion is the killing of innocent human life is not limited to those who are “religious.” For example, see godlessprolifers.org/home.html

Also, if life does not begin at conception, when does it begin, and what is his criteria for quantifying it?

For everything he brings up, you can probably find a real life example that would nullify it (for example, if he says that life doesn’t begin until the heart starts beating, ask him if he thinks an abortion at 6+ weeks gestation should be illegal – because an embryo’s heart starts beating at around six weeks (four weeks after conception), when most women don’t even know that they’re pregnant). And so on.

 

[Syele]

What is the best way to respond to these pro-choice arguments?

1. “It’s all very well saying you’re against abortion, but what if your wife got raped? I’m sure you’ll say you’d keep it, but you don’t know until you’re in that situation”.

I was in that situation. Why would my daughter need to die cause of a man who abused me?? It’s not her fault he is a criminal! How would all the people using that argument like to to die for the sins of THIER parents??

 

[CapIV]

What is the best way to respond to these pro-choice arguments?

1. “It’s all very well saying you’re against abortion, but what if your wife got raped? I’m sure you’ll say you’d keep it, but you don’t know until you’re in that situation”.
2. “You can believe what you want about the issue, but you can’t go around forcing your religious beliefs on others who don’t share them. You might believe life begins at conception, but other people have a different opinion on that issue”.

Thanks and God bless.

Since abortion=murder, both of these points are irrelevant. If your wife got raped, you wouldn’t kill your 1 month old baby as a result. Neither would you kill a baby 1 month from being born. You wouldn’t kill it at all because rape doesn’t justify murder.

Same with the second example. It doesn’t matter if you don’t “believe” that abortion is murder, because it is murder regardless of whether one believes it or not. And killing a child violates the child’s Constitutional rights. Life beginning at conception isn’t a “belief”, it is science.

 

[Hastrman]

1. “It’s all very well saying you’re against abortion, but what if your wife got raped? I’m sure you’ll say you’d keep it, but you don’t know until you’re in that situation”.

As someone else said, the same holds true for (other kinds of) murder, but you say you’re against that. Of course, what these “mighty hunters before the Lord” don’t realize is, the only justification for killing a rapist’s child is that the taint of the father is too vile to allow any member of his family to live. It’s one step from that to clan responsibility.

Oh well, it works for Apaches, and at least it’s consistent.

1. “You can believe what you want about the issue, but you can’t go around forcing your religious beliefs on others who don’t share them. You might believe life begins at conception, but other people have a different opinion on that issue”.

Except, of course, that embryology textbooks say life begins at conception–they tiptoe around the concept of “person”.

And any philosopher with three neurons to rub together can prove that personhood begins at the beginning of life, and that anyway, if in doubt, the principle has always been non-action. Unless they think taking “sound shots” while deer-hunting is a good idea?

 

[bpbasilphx]

1) “It’s all very well saying you’re against abortion, but what if your wife got raped? I’m sure you’ll say you’d keep it, but you don’t know until you’re in that situation”.

**Of COURSE the unborn child should be executed for the crime committed by the father, who is allowed to go free. Isn’t this what you are saying?

In any case, rape seldom results in pregnancy.**

1. “You can believe what you want about the issue, but you can’t go around forcing your religious beliefs on others who don’t share them. You might believe life begins at conception, but other people have a different opinion on that issue”.**

You should not force your religious opinion on the unborn child. Besides, when life begins is a SCIENTIFIC, not a religious issue.

 

[st_lucy]

1. “It’s all very well saying you’re against abortion, but what if your wife got raped? I’m sure you’ll say you’d keep it, but you don’t know until you’re in that situation”.

Why don’t you ask the child if he should be murder for the crime of his father? I am a result of a rape and I am very greatful that my mother loved me enough to not kll me.

1. “You can believe what you want about the issue, but you can’t go around forcing your religious beliefs on others who don’t share them. You might believe life begins at conception, but other people have a different opinion on that issue”.

Any bio 101 class will tell you that as soon as the egg is fertilized a life - begains it realy is as simple as that.

 

[tm30]

What is the best way to respond to these pro-choice arguments?

1. “It’s all very well saying you’re against abortion, but what if your wife got raped? I’m sure you’ll say you’d keep it, but you don’t know until you’re in that situation”.
2. “You can believe what you want about the issue, but you can’t go around forcing your religious beliefs on others who don’t share them. You might believe life begins at conception, but other people have a different opinion on that issue”.

Thanks and God bless.

1. The child is the object of violence in an abortion. How is that any more acceptable than a woman being the object of violence in a rape? One does not gain authority to kill another human being because they have been violated themselves. Really. As difficult and insensitive as it sounds, the emotional state of the first victim is irrelevant to the rightness or wrongness of abortion. One can be profoundly compassionate in other ways - assisting with the pregnancy, friendship, and prayer. But compassion cannot include killing the child.
2. All law comes from a moral foundation that recognizes there is a Higher Being who demands justice for crime and sin. If someone tells you not to force your religious views on them, ask them why they allow the government to legislate such morality as “thou shalt not steal” and “thou shalt not kill”…

If that person says, “I just don’t believe life starts at conception,” ask what his/her response be to a group of people who decide that life doesn’t begin until… say… the age of five? Why would this group of people be any less correct than your counterparty? Since there is no event that marks the point where an embryo becomes “life”, the beginning of life can be theorized to begin at ANY point of development. And wherever that magic line is drawn, it’s entirely UNPROVABLE! Therefore, the only answer to, “When does life begin?” can only be at the point that something appears, where it did not exist a moment prior - i.e., conception.

 

[HannahLisa]

In answer to the second question:

You were a baby once, weren’t you? I assume this means you were inside the womb, right? So I guess you started out as a fetus, and before that an embryo, and before that? These ‘collections of cells’ as some would like to call them turn into people. Abortion deprives PEOPLE of life. How is that not wrong?

 

[sodak]

One argument that I use when arguing against abortion works pretty well.

Take religion out of it - let’s talk about science. People disagree when life begins, but let’s talk about when life ends. When someone is in a car accident, looking dead, and they are brought into the ICU, and hooked up to machines, what do they measure to see if that person is still alive? Heartbeat and brainwaves. If both are missing, flatlined, or whatever, then they can tell the family to discontinue life support as the person is dead - just being artificially sustained by a machine.

Well, if that’s how we measure death, then let’s use that to measure life. Both are present at 6-8 weeks, so no abortions after 6-8 weeks.

That’s when the pro-choicers start to squirm. There’s no way out.

Now, I realize that life starts at conception, but this is a nice argument when they pull out the religion card.

 

[StCsDavid]

What is the best way to respond to these pro-choice arguments?

1. “It’s all very well saying you’re against abortion, but what if your wife got raped? I’m sure you’ll say you’d keep it, but you don’t know until you’re in that situation”.

True, know one knows the future, but I would pray that God would guide me in choosing life. It’s not the baby’s fault and regardless of how the baby was conceived, it is the result of God and deserves at the very minimum the right to exist.

1. “You can believe what you want about the issue, but you can’t go around forcing your religious beliefs on others who don’t share them. You might believe life begins at conception, but other people have a different opinion on that issue”.

Thanks and God bless.

To me it’s not a religious issue but rather a human rights issue. At what point do we as a human race say that a person is too small and/or too dependent to deserve to exist? The fact that human life begins at its most elemental state at conception is scientific fact not just opinion.

 

[Newbie2]

Is this true? I’ve not heard one way or the other. In any case, it makes little difference because the argument is about aborting the resulting baby.

I had this particular discussion with a friend not so long ago.

Question 1:

Yes, it would be difficult, but we believe that God can create something wonderful out of pain. Who knows? This child, although not mine biologically, could find a cure for cancer.

Question 2:

There is no question as to whether life begins at conception or not. It’s either a live embryo or a dead one. The question is when this embryo has a soul, and we believe that that happens at the moment of conception. This cannot be proven scientifically, but also cannot be disproven scientifically.

The question is, who has the right to take that life of that embryo or fetus, and what is the difference, morally, in taking that life in January or later that year in December?

 

[Jzyehoshua]

What is the best way to respond to these pro-choice arguments?

1. “It’s all very well saying you’re against abortion, but what if your wife got raped? I’m sure you’ll say you’d keep it, but you don’t know until you’re in that situation”.
2. “You can believe what you want about the issue, but you can’t go around forcing your religious beliefs on others who don’t share them. You might believe life begins at conception, but other people have a different opinion on that issue”.

Thanks and God bless.

1. Even before the legalization of abortion and Roe v. Wade, many states allowed abortion in the cases of rape or the mother’s life being in danger. I think adoption should be the first recourse after rape, but I don’t think we have the right to decide for a woman whether or not she should live or die when her life is in danger from a pregnancy. And speaking of adoption, I think every person who speaks against abortion should be willing to adopt children. It’s not enough just to say abortion is wrong, we also need to be willing to help the single mothers wondering what will happen to the kids they’re not able to take care of. Orphanages are overflowing. Only when we are willing to adopt do we have the right to speak against abortion.
2. Lincoln believed slavery was wrong too but he shouldn’t have gone around forcing his beliefs on others. What a horrible, horrible man! Some believed the Nazi’s genocidal tendencies towards Jews were immoral, but they shouldn’t have forced those views on the poor Nazi’s. My point is, if no one will stick up for others when their rights are infringed upon, eventually there will be none to stick up for you when the others are gone. All through history people have asserted their right to infringe upon the rights of others. Slavery, genocide, murder… what makes abortion so different? Slave-owners claimed slaves were less than human too, ever heard of the 3/5 rule where slaves were considered only 60% a person? Nazi’s claimed only the Aryan race was ideal, and that Jews, cripples, minorities, gypsies, Communists, and pretty much anyone else they didn’t like could be exterminated. America for much of its history engaged in genocide towards the native peoples of our continent. When someone else’s right to throw a punch extends to where another person’s nose begins, then it is time for society to step in and force beliefs upon them.

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

1. Even before the legalization of abortion and Roe v. Wade, many states allowed abortion in the cases of rape or the mother’s life being in danger. I think adoption should be the first recourse after rape, but I don’t think we have the right to decide for a woman whether or not she should live or die when her life is in danger from a pregnancy. And speaking of adoption, I think every person who speaks against abortion should be willing to adopt children. It’s not enough just to say abortion is wrong, we also need to be willing to help the single mothers wondering what will happen to the kids they’re not able to take care of. Orphanages are overflowing. Only when we are willing to adopt do we have the right to speak against abortion.

Wrong. I don’t have to adopt to be against abortion. I would, but I don’t have to. We can be against abortion without any kind of guilt trip about adopting unwanted children. Life in an orphanage is not worse than death.

In Christ,
Rand

 

[Newbie2]

Maybe it would have been better put if we were to say, if one is against abortion, they should be ready to help, at least in some way, support an unwed mother who decides to have the child or a couple who wishes to adopt if they themself are not in a position to adopt.

“Help” could mean anything to directly giving support in money, baby stuff, etc. to babysitting, etc. to being politically active to ease adoption laws and regulations.