Tridentine Catholic Church?

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Kielbasi:
Not a very good idea, to create more division isn’t that constructive.

Because the “Tridentines” would be a minority, they would be in a position to either have to solicit new members from the Mainstream Catholic Church, or face the probability of withering away due to their members intermarrying with the Mainstreamers.

This would undoubtably cause friction in the church
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Would any possibility of friction exist if the NO Mass didn’t exist?
 
Steve Green:
Should the indult be done away with? imho, it has not worked well.
Then instead of indult masses just establish a Tridentine Rite, similar to the Anglican churches coming over. That way local bishops woln’t have us “traditionalists” to deal with us. An Apostlolic Vicar to oversee in Rome, just like several Orientals and Easterns have.

Your comments please…
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Ain’t gonna happen – waste of keystrokes.

Even if it did, I can just imagine the tiny rented rooms where the Tridentine Mass would take place. While a new rite might be able to take over a few inner city church buildings, around here the tiny membership would relegate them to meeting in a Motel 6 or parishioners’ garages.
 
Forgive my possible confusion here, but maybe someone could clarify for me…my goal here is not to offend, but I really don’t get it…
I don’t understand the Anglican Rite…
How are we going allow anything with the name “Anglican” knowing that the whole reason it was started was in spite of Catholicism.
Why does the church not say “You want to be Catholic?..well then, you are welcome to be Catholic, but you must conform to us and be associated with us in name and faith”…
Have we turned into some sort of melting pot? How can we give a heresy the dignity of still being recognized even in name.
It was something created by man, yet we accept it.
This reminds me of that saying “America, love it or leave it” doesn’t the same hold true for our faith?
 
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Primitive:
Forgive my possible confusion here, but maybe someone could clarify for me…my goal here is not to offend, but I really don’t get it…
I don’t understand the Anglican Rite…
How are we going allow anything with the name “Anglican” knowing that the whole reason it was started was in spite of Catholicism.
Why does the church not say “You want to be Catholic?..well then, you are welcome to be Catholic, but you must conform to us and be associated with us in name and faith”…
Have we turned into some sort of melting pot? How can we give a heresy the dignity of still being recognized even in name.
It was something created by man, yet we accept it.
This reminds me of that saying “America, love it or leave it” doesn’t the same hold true for our faith?
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There is an Anglican Use provision within the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church (in a tiny number of parishes) to facilitate those Anglican/Epsicopal groups that come over in large blocks. The Church took the service of the Anglicans, corrected it for orthodoxy and now allows Anglican Use parishes to use it.

While I think Cranmer’s work is gorgeous from a literary standpoint, it’s plain silly to suggest that the Anglican Use Mass is what the Pauline Mass “should have been.”
 
The anglican use liturgy is only said in 5 or 6 parishes in the USA.
 
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Detroiter:
Would any possibility of friction exist if the NO Mass didn’t exist?
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Of course. One only need look at the dissent over Humanae Vitae for the quickest answer to that, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the TLM or the Pauline rite.

There are numerous examples of friction; abortion, sterilazation… and that is only the start of the list.
 
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Primitive:
Forgive my possible confusion here, but maybe someone could clarify for me…my goal here is not to offend, but I really don’t get it…
I don’t understand the Anglican Rite…
How are we going allow anything with the name “Anglican” knowing that the whole reason it was started was in spite of Catholicism.
Why does the church not say “You want to be Catholic?..well then, you are welcome to be Catholic, but you must conform to us and be associated with us in name and faith”…
Have we turned into some sort of melting pot? How can we give a heresy the dignity of still being recognized even in name.
It was something created by man, yet we accept it.
This reminds me of that saying “America, love it or leave it” doesn’t the same hold true for our faith?
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The anglican rite is not a heresy, although some of the current Anglican theology is a heresy.

My undertstanding of the start of the Anglican Church was that Henry the 8th wanted a son, and wanted a divorce because his then wife couldn’t produce; the Pope refused to annul his marriage, so Henry decided he would be pope; that lies in schism, not heresy.
 
OTM, I think we are in agreement on this. Good point.

Wow We Agree !!!
 
i have attended the “indult” of diocesen churchs in jacksonville, fl. columbus, ohio, and the beautiful st. john cantius in chicago.
each was well attended by the devotees. i followed the mass with my fr. stedman’s missal from the early 50’s and it was remarkably close. the mass of pius v is not going away soon and from what i have seen is indicative of a great resurgence of interest in the “mass for all ages.” have a good year. alih.
 
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otm:
Any priest that says Mass legitimately is under the authority of the local bishop and does so only with explicit permission, Those who do no seek that permission, or act in violation of it, are subject to canonical penalties up to and including excommunication.
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Not quite true. A priest can only say a public Mass with the permission of the Ordinary.

But any priest who has not be disbarred by Canon Law (which is different from an action by the Ordinary) always has a right to say private Mass, and may do so under any approved Roman Missal.
Can. 900 §1 The only minister who, in the person of Christ, can bring into being the sacrament of the Eucharist, is a validly ordained priest.
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§2 Any priest who is not debarred by canon law may lawfully celebrate the Eucharist, provided the provisions of the following canons are observed.
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viktor aleksndr:
Is this some sort of Apostasy or schism?
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No. Just some folks looking for the wider application of the liturgy of Latin Rite that remained substantially unchanged for over a millenia (“Tridentine” is in many ways a misnomer). This wider and “generous” application has full endorsement of the Catholic Church, but hasn’t generally received it at the local levels. I’m not sure what the solution is, but I’d like to see a wider availablility of this mass.

Here’s a good article describing the situation:

cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=37861

jb
 
While surfing the web last night, I came across a CWN website with the story that BXVI is replacing JPII’s head of liturgy for St. Peter’s with another person who “will have orders to re-institute” the latin mass with Gregorian Chant. No more multi-cultural masses at St. Peter’s. Please let this be a sign :gopray: .
Unfortunately, in the light of dawn, I can’t find the website :mad:
nianka
 
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nianka:
While surfing the web last night, I came across a CWN website with the story that BXVI is replacing JPII’s head of liturgy for St. Peter’s with another person who “will have orders to re-institute” the latin mass with Gregorian Chant. No more multi-cultural masses at St. Peter’s. Please let this be a sign :gopray: .
Unfortunately, in the light of dawn, I can’t find the website :mad:
nianka
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The report appeared many places. Here is one:

news.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=89706&cat=World
 
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