Tridentine Mass in the Philippines

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As for BICOL, a Traditional Low Mass according to the Missal of 1962 is celebrated every Wednesday, 9 AM, at the Aemilianum College in Sorsogon City, Sorsogon.

The celebrant is Fr. Abraham Arganiosa CRS, who maintains the following, splendid blog:

thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/
 
Dear Raffy,

In recent years, the Holy See has begun to take a more lenient stance towards attendance in SSPX Masses. See the following documents:

Ecclesia Dei Commission Protocol 539 / 99

January 18, 2003 letter of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei on attendance in SSPX Masses

**It is quite obvious that it is not a mortal sin to attend SSPX. **

I might add that, in the first Directory for Ecumenism published by the Holy See in 1967, the Holy See had given the general rule that, as long as it is not a habit, people may attend non-Catholic worship if the intention is to become better informed about the Church or community in question.

Now, the SSPX is not even a “non-Catholic” group, but a Catholic group in an irregular canonical situation.

For the record, I am neither a member of an SSPX congregation nor do I normally attend SSPX Masses. However, I do intend to attend the chanting of Christmas Matins there, for the very simple reason that no indult community in the Philippines is capable of chanting Matins (or Vespers) in a solemn manner, and Christmas Matins chanted near midnight is one of the great treasures of Catholic worship.
It might not be a mortal sin to attend an SSPX Mass but attending on a Sunday does NOT fulfull the Sunday obligation.
 
It might not be a mortal sin to attend an SSPX Mass but attending on a Sunday does NOT fulfull the Sunday obligation.
Why and what makes you say that? attending on Sunday does not fulifil Sunday obligation?:confused:
 
Hello all:

I have published on Rorate Caeli an updated directory of TLM’s in the Philippines

rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2008/08/traditional-latin-mass-update-in.html

Asterisks mark those Masses that started in the aftermath of Summorum Pontificum.

LUZON (Northern Philippines)

Diocese of Cubao (Metropolitan Manila area)

  1. Parish of the Lord of Divine Mercy (PLDM).
    Madasalin cor. Maamo St., Sikatuna Village, Quezon City (northern Metro Manila)
    Mass on Sundays (Missa Cantata): 1.30 p.m.
    *Daily Private Mass from Monday - Saturday (Low Mass): normally at 8:00 a.m.
    Fr. Michell Joe Zerrudo offers the Mass on Sundays and most weekdays, Msgr. Moises Andrade and other diocesan clergy on some weekdays
(The TLM in PLDM is the successor of the indult-era Sunday TLM in the Most Holy Redeemer Parish, Diocese of Cubao.)
  1. *There is a private TLM (open to the lay faithful) every last Wednesday of the month in a privately-owned grotto near Amoranto Stadium in Quezon City, in the Diocese of Cubao. If one wishes to attend, please contact Carlos Palad at caloyraj AT yahoo DOT com for more details.
Diocese of Paranaque (Metropolitan Manila area)
  1. *St. Jerome Emiliani and St. Susanna Parish
    Alabang Town Center near Zapote Road
    Ayala Alabang, Muntinlupa City (southern-most part of Metro Manila)
    Mass on Sundays (Missa Cantata): 9.30 a.m
    Fr. Grato Germanetto, CRS (Somascans)
*Note: The Sunday and daily TLM that was inaugurated recently in St. Augustine Parish in Paranaque City, has been stopped. *

Diocese of Malolos
  1. *National Shrine of Our Lady of Fatima
    Fatima Ave., Pag-Asa Subdivision 1, Marulas,
    Valenzuela City (northern-most part of Metro Manila)
    Mass on Sundays (normally a Missa Cantata): 8.00 p.m.
    Msgr. Moises Andrade
Archdiocese of Manila (Metropolitan Manila area)
  1. Marian Library and Information Center
    1170 R. Hidalgo Street
    Quiapo, City of Manila
    Tel. Nos: 632+704-9712
    632+309-3575
    Low Mass on First Fridays (and occasionally on First Saturdays): in the early afternoon
    Msgr. Melencio De Vera
    (Call ahead to verify schedule)
*NOTE: This chapel is very small and well hidden from public view and is accessible only through a private passage-way. First-time visitors are advised to call the Center to verify the Mass schedule and to ask for directions. This chapel is almost in the shadow of the San Sebastian Church, a towering 19th century Gothic steel church in the heart of old Manila.

This Mass began to be publicized in the aftermath of Summorum Pontificum, but in fact, private Low Masses have been offered here on and off since the 1990’s, making the chapel one of the oldest continuously-used TLM locations in the Philippines. *
  1. *The Sunday TLM that was inaugurated only last July at the Mary Help of Christians Chapel of Saint John Bosco Parish in Makati City (Metro Manila) under the Archdiocese of Manila has moved its location (but still within Makati) and has been indefinitely suspended.
**Diocese of San Pablo, Laguna **
  1. *San Isidro Labrador Parish Church
    Binan, Laguna Province (south of Metro Manila)
    Private Mass (open to the public) on Saturdays (Low Mass): early afternoon (normally 1:00 or 2:00 PM)
    Subject to change without prior notice
**Diocese of Sorsogon **
  1. *Aemilianum College, Inc. (ACI)
    Sorsogon City, Sorsogon Province (Bicol Region)
    Holy Mass on Sundays (Low Mass, sometimes Missa Cantata): 9:00 AM
    Fr. Abraham Arganiosa, CRS (Somascan)
*Note: The Sunday TLM in St. Michael Parish in Bacoor in the Diocese of Imus, established under the Ecclesia Dei indult in 2004, has long ceased to be offered. Those who attended it now go to the TLM’s in Cubao and Paranaque. *

**VISAYAS (The islands comprising the central part of the Philippines)

Archdiocese of Jaro**
  1. Chapel of St. Joseph Regional Seminary
    Iloilo City, Iloilo
    Missa Cantata on Sundays, First Friday and First Saturday: 4:00 PM
    Msgr. Sozonte Cataluna
*The indult-era TLM’s in the Cathedral of Jaro and in a few other chapels have been cancelled. *

Archdiocese of Cebu
  1. *Archdiocesan Shrine of Nuestro Padre Jesus Nazareno
    (Monastery of the Society of the Angel of Peace),
    Cansojong, Talisay City
    Holy Mass on Sundays: 3:00 PM
  2. *Monastery of the Order of Discalced Augustinians
    Monastery Chapel
    Tabor Hill Talamban 6000, Cebu City
    Holy Mass on Sundays (Missa Cantata): 10:30 AM
    Rev. Fr. Luigi Kerschbamer, OAD, the OAD community’s superior.
Diocese of Tagbilaran
  1. Assumption of Our Lady Parish
    Dauis, 6339 Bohol
    Telephone Number: (038) 502-2008
    Private Low Mass everyday (open to the public, but Mass schedule varies)
    Fr. Joseph Skelton
Fr. Joseph Skelton had permission to offer the TLM in private even before Summorum Pontificum
  1. Fr. Skelton also offers a monthly TLM in Cortes, Bohol. Details forthcoming.
    **
    Diocese of Bacolod
    *
  2. Victorias Provincial Hospital
    Provincial Hospital Chapel
    Victorias City,
    Sunday Mass (Missa Cantata): 9:00 AM
    Diocese of Bacolod (suffragan of Archdiocese of Cebu)
    Diocese
(Other TLM’s in the Diocese of Bacolod that were established in the indult years have ceased to be offered)

**MINDANAO (Southern Philippines)

Archdiocese of Davao**
  1. *Divine Word Formation Center - Davao
    (Seminary of the SVD Fathers, SVD Southern Province-Philippines)
    8000 Davao City P.O. Box 81218
    Holy Mass on Sundays: 3:00 P.M.
    Fr. Redempto Maniwang SVD
 
1st and 3rd Sundays of the month
(exception on 1st sunday of september 2008
due to priest retreat).
Code:
Our Lady of Victories Chapel
NIA Compound
Bolton Extension
Davao City
 
1st and 3rd Sundays of the month
(exception on 1st sunday of september 2008
due to priest retreat).
Code:
Our Lady of Victories Chapel
NIA Compound
Bolton Extension
Davao City
This is an SSPX Mass, and is not affiliated with the Archdiocese of Davao.
 
As far as i know, there is no such thing as SSPX Mass. There is however, a Tridentine Latin Mass offered by SSPX which is not sanctioned by the Archdiocese of Davao.

And the thread states “Tridentine Mass” in the Philippines.

😉
 
It might not be a mortal sin to attend an SSPX Mass but attending on a Sunday does NOT fulfull the Sunday obligation.
Sorry Thistle, you’re wrong. It most certainly does fulfill one’s Sunday obligation.
 
Sorry Thistle, you’re wrong. It most certainly does fulfill one’s Sunday obligation.
It does not. If one is fully aware of the issues between the SSPX and the Catholic Church, then one knows that they do not have any ministry in the Church as of the moment. Thus their Liturgies are not only illicit, they are also not Catholic.
 
It might not be a mortal sin to attend an SSPX Mass but attending on a Sunday does NOT fulfill the Sunday obligation.
I think that there is some confusion here between not having a canonical place in the Church and the legitimacy of the mass celebrated by an SSPX priest.

Let’s see if I can help.

The deacons, priests and bishops of the SSPX are validly ordained. Therefore, they can validly celebrate the mass.

A mass, whether it’s celebrated by a priest who is in ordinary standing with one of the Apostolic Churches or one whose situation is irregular remains a Catholic mass. There is not such thing as a mass that is not catholic w/a lower case C. If it’s valid, it’s catholic.

Because the priests of the SSPX are suspended they illegally celebrate the mass. We call that illicit. A priest who is suspended is not supposed to celebrate any sacrament except for absolution in case of emergency.

The authorities have made it clear that attending mass celebrated by a priest or bishop of the SSPX for the purpose of fulfilling one’s Sunday obligation is allowed. However, it is discouraged. Discouraged is not the same as forbidden.

The authorities have also said that one may not encourage or support the separation between the SSPX and the Vatican. You shouldn’t be attending an SSPX mass because you’re on “their side”, observe quotation marks.

Reason tells us that if one has access to a mass that is valid AND licit, one does not drive past that church to attend a mass that one knows is illicit. In essence, if one does this, then one is implying support for disobedience.

It does fulfill one’s Sunday obligation. However, one must ask oneself why one chooses to attend mass at an SSPX chapel. There has to be a legitimate reason for attending a mass that is celebrated illegally.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
It’s astonishing to me that Catholicism can just fit into any culture. =o
 
I think that there is some confusion here between not having a canonical place in the Church and the legitimacy of the mass celebrated by an SSPX priest.

Let’s see if I can help.

The deacons, priests and bishops of the SSPX are validly ordained. Therefore, they can validly celebrate the mass.

A mass, whether it’s celebrated by a priest who is in ordinary standing with one of the Apostolic Churches or one whose situation is irregular remains a Catholic mass. There is not such thing as a mass that is not catholic w/a lower case C. If it’s valid, it’s catholic.

Because the priests of the SSPX are suspended they illegally celebrate the mass. We call that illicit. A priest who is suspended is not supposed to celebrate any sacrament except for absolution in case of emergency.

The authorities have made it clear that attending mass celebrated by a priest or bishop of the SSPX for the purpose of fulfilling one’s Sunday obligation is allowed. However, it is discouraged. Discouraged is not the same as forbidden.

The authorities have also said that one may not encourage or support the separation between the SSPX and the Vatican. You shouldn’t be attending an SSPX mass because you’re on “their side”, observe quotation marks.

Reason tells us that if one has access to a mass that is valid AND licit, one does not drive past that church to attend a mass that one knows is illicit. In essence, if one does this, then one is implying support for disobedience.

It does fulfill one’s Sunday obligation. However, one must ask oneself why one chooses to attend mass at an SSPX chapel. There has to be a legitimate reason for attending a mass that is celebrated illegally.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
I agree very much with your cautionary attitude here; but I offer a few points to consider. 1) the SSPX is involved in a dialogue with the Vatican now and this fact alone may indicate some leeway on the part of the Vatican towards their liturgies. The “cautions” expressed by the Ecclesia Dei commission predate the current dialogue between Rome and the SSPX 2) we can also note that SSPX groups going on pilgrimage to Rome have been allowed to use St. Peter’s to celebrate their “illicit” liturgies, though not at the main altar. This has also been done at Lourdes, some locations in Poland and other places as well. This fact alone calls into question just how rigid one is to be in considering the “licitness” of attending SSPX liturgies when the official church in Rome and elsewhere has allowed such liturgies to take place. The Mass at the basilica in Lourdes took place even before the excommunications were lifted.
It’s also useful to consider that since the issuance of the motu proprio Summorum Pontificorum all priests are now allowed to say the traditional liturgy. The motu proprio plainly states that it is superseding “Ecclesia Dei”.

C.
 
I agree very much with your cautionary attitude here; but I offer a few points to consider. 1) the SSPX is involved in a dialogue with the Vatican now and this fact alone may indicate some leeway on the part of the Vatican towards their liturgies. The “cautions” expressed by the Ecclesia Dei commission predate the current dialogue between Rome and the SSPX 2) we can also note that SSPX groups going on pilgrimage to Rome have been allowed to use St. Peter’s to celebrate their “illicit” liturgies, though not at the main altar. This has also been done at Lourdes, some locations in Poland and other places as well. This fact alone calls into question just how rigid one is to be in considering the “licitness” of attending SSPX liturgies when the official church in Rome and elsewhere has allowed such liturgies to take place. The Mass at the basilica in Lourdes took place even before the excommunications were lifted.
It’s also useful to consider that since the issuance of the motu proprio Summorum Pontificorum all priests are now allowed to say the traditional liturgy. The motu proprio plainly states that it is superseding “Ecclesia Dei”.
Let’s take the Extraordinary Form of the mass out of the equation. The bishops of the SSPX were not excommunicated because of the form of the mass. They were excommunicated for accepting ordination to the episcopal order without permission from the Holy Father. The priests of the SSPX are suspended because they accept ordination from a suspended bishop. This has to do with authority, not with the form of the mass.

As to the priests being allowed to celebrate the mass at Lourdes and at St Peter’s, canon law is very clear. The local ordinary may grant this permission. This does not change their status or the liceity of the mass celebrated anywhere else. In other words, if the local ordinary grants permission for a celebration of the mass, that mass is licit, but only that one. A local ordinary can be the diocesan bishop or a male religious superior such as a Provincial Superior or a Superior General. These men have jurisdiction over their territory and their places of worship.

No one can celebrate a mass at either Lourdes or St. Peter, without permission. It stands to reason that they asked for the permissioin and it was granted. The permission was granted for that place on that day. Those granting the permission do not have the authority to grant it for the universal Church. No one has that authority except the pope and he never gives that permission.

When a priest of the SSPX celebrates mass in Diocese X without the permission of the diocesan bishop, that mass is illicit and the rules for attending an illicit mass remain in force.

The dialogue between the SSPX and the Vatican will hopefully lead to a closure to this nightmare. However, it would be presumption to assume that because a couple is talking they are ready to cohabitate at husband and wife. The same applies here. We have to wait for the official announcement from the Vatican to know the exact status of the SSPX clergy. Until that announcement is made, the last statement made remains in force. That statement was made by the Holy Father himself. They do not have any canonical place in the Church.

In law, if you have no canonical place, this means that you are part of the family, but you may not participate in the family’s activities. You are consigned to stand on the side and wait until the issues are settled so that you can take your rightful place in the family.

That is the unfortunate stutus of these deacons, priests, bishops and religious brothers that are part of the Society. It must be understood that this irregular situation does not grant anyone a license to be mean or cruel to them. If they go to a religious house and ask for permission to celebrate a mass, the Major Superior may grant that permission. It would be an act of charity. In that case, the moral obligation to justify this situation would fall on the person who gave the permission not on the person who asked for it.
 
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