Tridentine Mass

[Annabelle_Marie]

I almost hesitate to post this as I do not want to hear about how much better one form of Mass is then the other. I always attend the NO and I am completely fine with it as they have always been very reverent.

However I post this to provide encouragement for those of you that prefer the TLM…so please be respectful.

I go to daily Mass at a different parish then my home parish as its closer to my work. Last week they were doing renovations so Mass was in the parish center. This week when the church was open again I see what those renovations are. The altar rails have been extended on both sides. It appears that the back altar has been raised…maybe it’s always been that way I’m not sure…with 3 steps up. The carpet was taken out of the santuary. In talking with someone at my home parish last night they indicated that the priest of the other parish was learning the TLM. Therefore I believe that parish is going to start offering the TLM. It might be on a limited basis…but that is better than none…right?

 

[Esrb99]

Honestly, congrats on having a NO parish that you enjoy- that in and of itself is a great fruit for you! Now, if you still plan to go to daily mass at this other parish, I definitely recommend trying the Extraordinary form. In my mind, I see it as experiencing something of cultural heritage. Having both forms open to you on a daily (and weekly) basis can only provide more fruits and enrichment in your spiritual life.

As others have said on here, if and when you first go to a Latin mass, don’t focus so much on trying to follow a missal (they will likely have small missals to follow along). Instead, try to just focus on the atmosphere, and all the sensory details.

Even if you go to your main parish just on Sundays, I suggest attending a Latin High Mass at least once, to get the full picture of the Extraordinary form.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

Honestly, congrats on having a NO parish that you enjoy- that in and of itself is a great fruit for you! Now, if you still plan to go to daily mass at this other parish, I definitely recommend trying the Extraordinary form. In my mind, I see it as experiencing something of cultural heritage. Having both forms open to you on a daily (and weekly) basis can only provide more fruits and enrichment in your spiritual life.

As others have said on here, if and when you first go to a Latin mass, don’t focus so much on trying to follow a missal (they will likely have small missals to follow along). Instead, try to just focus on the atmosphere, and all the sensory details.

Even if you go to your main parish just on Sundays, I suggest attending a Latin High Mass at least once, to get the full picture of the Extraordinary form.

My fear on that is I would be wearing pants as a women…that and I am not so sure about receiving on the tongue (as far as how it’s done) in the TLM. Basically I do not want someone looking down their nose at me if I mess up… It’s Oregon…I did not grow up with the TLM…. I might try it once but I highly doubt my husband…a recent convert would want to go more then once. We absolutely love our priest at our home parish who does preach on a lot of things that people at CAF complain that priests don’t.

I think they maybe would celebrate the TLM only once or twice a month…but hey…at least it is something for those that love it.

I have enough on my hands right now trying to learn the Latin Lamb of God as apparently they have switched over to using Latin during that…I have the beginning and the end but the middle…completely gives me trouble! (I am still trying to learn the Latin for the Benediction at my home parish)

 

[Esrb99]

My fear on that is I would be wearing pants as a women…that and I am not so sure about receiving on the tongue (as far as how it’s done) in the TLM. Basically I do not want someone looking down their nose at me if I mess up… It’s Oregon…I did not grow up with the TLM…. I might try it once but I highly doubt my husband…a recent convert would want to go more then once. We absolutely love our priest at our home parish who does preach on a lot of things that people at CAF complain that priests don’t.

I think they maybe would celebrate the TLM only once or twice a month…but hey…at least it is something for those that love it.

I have enough on my hands right now trying to learn the Latin Lamb of God as apparently they have switched over to using Latin during that…I have the beginning and the end but the middle…completely gives me trouble! (I am still trying to learn the Latin for the Benediction at my home parish)

I’ve only been to one Latin High mass myself, and one low one. If you can only get your husband to go once, I would make sure it’s a Latin High Mass one sunday. A friend who is looking at religion for the first time in her life joined me at a high mass, and we didn’t have any rubrics or anything. When it was done, she turned to me and said, “That was the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen. How come these pews are not full? If I could, I would experience this every day for the rest of my life.”

The Extraordinary form has a unique beauty; you should allow yourself and your husband to experience it in all it’s splendor at least once. : )

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

I’ve only been to one Latin High mass myself, and one low one. If you can only get your husband to go once, I would make sure it’s a Latin High Mass one sunday. A friend who is looking at religion for the first time in her life joined me at a high mass, and we didn’t have any rubrics or anything. When it was done, she turned to me and said, “That was the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen. How come these pews are not full? If I could, I would experience this every day for the rest of my life.”

The Extraordinary form has a unique beauty; you should allow yourself and your husband to experience it in all it’s splendor at least once. : )

I will try. He gets completely lost in any part that is Latin. I do too but at least I have been to a few Masses as a child that were Latin.

 

[AussieTrad]

My fear on that is I would be wearing pants as a women…

Without wanting to open a can of worms on this topic, don’t stress. Plenty of ladies wear pants and my church (which is exclusively EF), and their is never any problem. Just make sure they are modest.

.that and I am not so sure about receiving on the tongue (as far as how it’s done) in the TLM.

Basically, kneel, tilt your head up slightly, open your mouth and put your tongue out a bit. The priests at EF Mass’ are usually pretty good at giving communion on the tongue, and honestly, I don’t think other people are going to be sitting round watching how your receive

Basically I do not want someone looking down their nose at me if I mess up…

Despite the uppity image some people try and paint EF-goers in, my experiene is that people are perfectly welcoming and not at all likely to judge you for what you wear, or for not kneeling at the right time or not making the sign of the cross at the proper moment, or whatever.

I think people would really get a lot more out of their EF experience if they weren’t so worried about “doing the wrong thing”. EF Mass’ tend to be more reverent then your typical NO Mass, but it doesn’t mean you are going to be struck dead or that some over zealous parishioner is going to leap across the pews and beat you if you don’t follow along perfectly with what is going on.

Just my thoughts, anyway.

-Steve

 

[YoungTradCath]

Excellent. People are finally starting to realize that “clown masses” and plain/boring/completely hideous churches are not what Vatican II had in mind. Sometimes, as a young person with no EF or really great OF near, I get a bit liturgically depressed. But then people post threads like these. Although, I will say that our church is a magnificent old French Gothic one. I just wish they’d reinstall altar rails and rip out the pink (!) carpet.

Would you mind stating what church it is? You said it’s the one near your work, not the church where you normally attend mass, so it might be safe for you to say as far as privacy goes.

 

[Phyllo]

I will try. He gets completely lost in any part that is Latin. I do too but at least I have been to a few Masses as a child that were Latin.

AussiTrad gave you good advice. I went to my first High Latin Mass and they chanted in Latin almost all of the prayers. It was just beautiful. This is what a Mass should be. My husband isn’t to anxious to go again because he says the same thing your husband says…he doesn’t know what is going on. This church offers a Latin Mass every Sunday and I think the Sung Mass every other week. He will go just to take me. He is a good guy.

The church I went to handed out a paper with that Sunday’s Mass and I found it easy to follow along. They had Latin on the left of the paper and English on the right. I was raised with the Latin Mass but hadn’t been to one in probably 40 years but I was able to follow along.

No one is paying any attention to you so just relax. Most of the ladies wear skirts and a head veil and several do not. Sit several rows back and just follow what the front row people do and the same thing with Communion on the tongue and you will be just fine.

Just go and enjoy and God Bless

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

Excellent. People are finally starting to realize that “clown masses” and plain/boring/completely hideous churches are not what Vatican II had in mind. Sometimes, as a young person with no EF or really great OF near, I get a bit liturgically depressed. But then people post threads like these. Although, I will say that our church is a magnificent old French Gothic one. I just wish they’d reinstall altar rails and rip out the pink (!) carpet.

Would you mind stating what church it is? You said it’s the one near your work, not the church where you normally attend mass, so it might be safe for you to say as far as privacy goes.

The daily parish is St. Josephs in Salem. My home parish is St. Edwards in Keizer. At St. Ed’s people complain about the music or this and that although we do have a more traditional leaning 8:15 Mass on Sunday. But the best thing we have there is our priest! He speaks about sin, reconciliation, abortion, etc. But not in a God is going to get you kind of way but a challanging yourself to grow kind of way. And he takes his own pace which is more thoughtful and reverent. St. Joes’ tends to be more tradtional leaning…and the priest there studied in Rome. He is good but he goes so fast…it loses some of it’s reverence IMHO. So, he is the one studying the TLM. Hopefully he doesn’t rush that one.

I also know Eugene now has a twice a month TLM when they had none before.

So even here in what seems like faithless Oregon…we have something going on. But I have never ran across a “clown” Mass or irreverent Mass yet. Maybe I’m lucky but so far it hasn’t happened.

 

[Elisabeth51]

Clown Mass—if she’s refering to what I think she is, we mean real clowns. I think you can still find YouTube videos, but there was a “Mass” and some giant, hideous clowns…

Also, the Gregorian Missal–with English and Latin side by side, is available in PDF form on musicasacra.com

 

[YoungTradCath]

Clown Mass—if she’s refering to what I think she is, we mean real clowns. I think you can still find YouTube videos, but there was a “Mass” and some giant, hideous clowns…

Also, the Gregorian Missal–with English and Latin side by side, is available in PDF form on musicasacra.com

I’m a guy. And I used that term only casually.

 

[jonbhorton]

I almost hesitate to post this as I do not want to hear about how much better one form of Mass is then the other. I always attend the NO and I am completely fine with it as they have always been very reverent.

However I post this to provide encouragement for those of you that prefer the TLM…so please be respectful.

I go to daily Mass at a different parish then my home parish as its closer to my work. Last week they were doing renovations so Mass was in the parish center. This week when the church was open again I see what those renovations are. The altar rails have been extended on both sides. It appears that the back altar has been raised…maybe it’s always been that way I’m not sure…with 3 steps up. The carpet was taken out of the santuary. In talking with someone at my home parish last night they indicated that the priest of the other parish was learning the TLM. Therefore I believe that parish is going to start offering the TLM. It might be on a limited basis…but that is better than none…right?

Awesome! I answer why below, via help:

I’ve only been to one Latin High mass myself, and one low one. If you can only get your husband to go once, I would make sure it’s a Latin High Mass one sunday. A friend who is looking at religion for the first time in her life joined me at a high mass, and we didn’t have any rubrics or anything. When it was done, she turned to me and said, “That was the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen. How come these pews are not full? If I could, I would experience this every day for the rest of my life.”

The Extraordinary form has a unique beauty; you should allow yourself and your husband to experience it in all it’s splendor at least once. : )

Your friend and I share the same view. Half the time I wish I could just move in to the sanctuary.

A friend of mind is a cradle Catholic, and he, somehow, grew up with the Latin Mass in his Catholic High School in Texas. He thinks it’s the most boring time ever spent. I imagine his memory is colored by the rebellion of his youth, but he does attend the OF, though he insists on only going to “his” parish, which is 3 hours away, which means Christmas and Easter, or when visiting the family. Obviously people like him stand no benefit superficially.

I think the option, and even the mystique of the formerly-perceived taboo, will be a great tool of evangelization in the community. In many ways, certain renderings of the OF can be a little “too” tangible, a little too worldly, a little less heavenly- causing forgetfulness of certain timeless and eternal truths, promises, and hope. Mundane? Even a poorly chosen topic, or poorly worded homily on an otherwise sound topic can render this effect, including in an EF Mass. It is ultimately what the individual celebrant, and the communal attitude of the worshipers choose to make the Mass. The validity of the Form, in either, is not really in question in my mind, for I have forced myself to stop questioning it. I realized how out of control one could become by offering the chance of rebelling against the Holy Father in terms of the central-mechanism of the Church in worship- the Mass. Once that is in question, anything and everything is a target. It becomes total war against the Church.

I think the offering of a choice, in the hope and trust in the Priests and Bishops who lead, to follow the will of the Holy Father, and allow a fuller community following, is great.

At this stage, I have resigned myself to obedience in the matter, though searching and questioning is not ruled out, so long as to not question disrespectfully. I would challenge anyone who does otherwise to prove themselves smarter than the Church and the Pope, for what results in being questioned at the end is the authority. Do that and it’s game over. That’s giving Satan leverage to rip you away from God and His love.

A friend of mine in RCIA exclusively attends the OF, though he can see my own love and growth through the EF. He does want to check it out, but I have increasingly cracked down on down-talking of the OF in his presence, and focus more on a desire to see more display of reverence and sound teaching. I can think of no situation when sound teaching and reverence are a bad thing.

 

[Elisabeth51]

I’m a guy. And I used that term only casually.

I am sorry!!!

 

[TrueLight]

My fear on that is I would be wearing pants as a women…that

I wore pants at the Missa Cantata today

Don’t worry.

 

[ebonykawai]

I love my home parish and all the religious there, and I keep praying that someday the EF will be available to parishioners. I think everyone should experience it. I’m only a more recent convert to the EF, since finding out my childhood parish started offering it quite some time ago. Going back to that little chapel (which was placed on the New York State Register and the National Register of Historic Places in 1978; it’s amazing!!!) and praying the Latin mass…there is NOTHING LIKE IT. I go every Sunday. Thank goodness it’s close, only about 20 min. away.

Honestly, the EF is not difficult to follow at all. It will take you 2-3 times to get the general flow, and there are booklets available if you want to follow along. But you DON’T HAVE TO! This mass is a wonderful opportunity to actually pray and meditate. I think that’s why I love it. I’m a more contemplative personality and this mass sings to me.

Give it a try! And don’t say “amen” after you receive the eucharist.

Oh, and I always wear dressy-type slacks (I’m a lady ) and just by my own choice, I cover my head. But I cover for all masses, EF or OF.

 

[YoungTradCath]

I am sorry!!!

It’s okay lol.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

Thanks you guys. I am glad I can post some encouragement for you without having us pitt one form against the other.

While I am not what some may call a traditional Catholic…I follow and believe all the teachings of the Church…I love the OF…I found comfort in the Church when I was young…and then it was ripped away…now I have found it again…And I was inexplainably drawn to the Eucharist which is what draws me to daily Mass.

TLM or NO…we are all one faith!

 

[CatholicSensei]

Thanks you guys. I am glad I can post some encouragement for you without having us pitt one form against the other.

While I am not what some may call a traditional Catholic…I follow and believe all the teachings of the Church…I love the OF…I found comfort in the Church when I was young…and then it was ripped away…now I have found it again…And I was inexplainably drawn to the Eucharist which is what draws me to daily Mass.

TLM or NO…we are all one faith!

Annabell Marie,

I agree. I tried to post on this thread yesterday, but encountered a computer glitch. :banghead: :takethat:

Both forms of the Mass are valid and licit. My story with the Extraordinary Rite is a long one. I started going to my Parish back in 1998 when a special indult was required to offer Mass according to the 1962 Missal. Back then, I only attended the Ordinary Rite of the Mass and, like you was kind of intimidated by the Extraordinary Rite. It was when our Pastor the late Father Daniel Johnson, retired, the Bishop removed his permission from the Parish to offer the Mass according to the 1962 Missal. At the time, I used to attend the Ordinary Rite of the Mass at 10:30 AM and waited for my friends who went to the Extraordinary Rite at 12:00PM. I usually did this by going to our outdoor grotto, and praying the Rosary and various Chaplets and Novenas until my friends came out.

The new Pastoral Administrator, a Priest I liked very much, learned the Latin form of the Ordinary Rite of the Mass, and warned the Parishioners that if there was enough interest, that he would be forced to offer the Mass in English. This is when I decided that I was going to attend this Mass in the Latin Language. I felt it served as an anchor for an orthodox Parish. And many people had left the Parish, those I call “fair weather friends.”

Well the Latin Mass grew on me. I am Blessed with a flair for languages, although I only speak, read and write in English fluently. So after a number of years attending this Mass, our Holy Father issued the Motu Proprio. I’ve stuck around ever since. It took me some time to catch on, but I encourage you to keep dipping your toe in the water. If you are interested, you can look into obtaining this book.

catholicfreeshipping.stores.yahoo.net/knowyourmass.html

God Bless you and Mary keep you.

PS I appreciate your respect for the Extraordinary Rite as well as your orthodoxy in your faith.

 

[CatholicSensei]

Oh, and Annabel,

About wearing pants and being looked down on by Parishioners, not to scare you, that can happen. But don’t let the turkeys get you down. :tsktsk: These have a way of being drama queens and make it all about them. There is one chain smoking, blue jeans and flip flop wearing, older woman who attends the EF at my parish. She used to be the Parish house keeper. She also once owned a gas station, so you can only guess her demeanor. She once was scolding our PRIEST for giving Holy Communion to a young woman whom she thought was dressed immodestly (her hemline was too short.) Mind you she was wearing blue jeans and flip flops in that moment of throwing a fit. :yukonjoe:

The people who behave this way, IMHO, are making it more of a worship of the form or Liturgy than a worship of God. I, myself, because I wear a uniform 40 hours a week, wear T-Shirt and blue jeans. I have a number of Catholic T-shirts that I wear to Mass, so it’s hard for the “Church Ladies” to argue with my T-Shirts with a picture of Pope John Paul II or Pope Benedict XVI.

At the end of the day, it has to be about you and God. Look at this beautiful picture of Saint Gianna wearing PANTS. That is not to say she didn’t mostly wear skirts, but Saint Joan of Arc as well was often chided by her contemporaries for wearing “men’s” clothing. So don’t pay any attention to them. Think of “Church Lady” played by Dana Carvey and laugh.

http://www.dioceseoflincoln.org/SouthernNeRegister/front/Images/front031910b.jpg

 

[TrueLight]

I think you should remove the priest’s name because by naming him, you are possibly identifying the parish and the woman you are badmouthing as well.