Trinity, if they were all one God?

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Jesus in Matthew 24:36

“No one knows when that day or hour will
come —not the angels in heaven, nor the
Son, but only the father”

Shouldn’t everything that is known by the father be known by the son if they were all one God?

Is the father superior to the son?
 
Jesus in Matthew 24:36

“No one knows when that day or hour will
come —not the angels in heaven, nor the
Son, but only the father”

Shouldn’t everything that is known by the father be known by the son if they were all one God?

Is the father superior to the son?
This seems to be a valid concern, since if God’s act of existence is identical with his knowledge and his creative act, then surely the logos and the holy spirit are all-knowing.
 
Jesus in Matthew 24:36

“No one knows when that day or hour will
come —not the angels in heaven, nor the
Son, but only the father”

Shouldn’t everything that is known by the father be known by the son if they were all one God?

Is the father superior to the son?
As for the Holy Spirit, I believe He had not yet been revealed at this point.

As fully man, Jesus did not know. As fully God, He did know. It was not for Him to reveal. There is no Father, without the Son and Holy Spirit. There is no God, without the Trinity. He is, was, and always will be.

All three essences are equal, and one. It’s hard to wrap our mind around, as we are limited by our mortal minds, and what we understand as ‘three parts’, such as the branches of the US govt: President, Congress and Court. Of those, they could exist (and do, in other countries, in other forms) without each other.

Perhaps, for example, think of a three part compound, like water: it has 3 parts (never mind that it is two parts of hydrogen…just the only one that my non-science mind can think of). Without any of the other two parts, one part is no longer water. It ceases being water if you remove hydrogen or oxygen. Water can also be seen in three forms, but it doesn’t stop it from being water: steam, solid, or liquid.

Or maybe I’m unable to explain; that’s probably more likely. 🙂

Carry on.
 
Jesus in Matthew 24:36

“No one knows when that day or hour will
come —not the angels in heaven, nor the
Son, but only the father”

Shouldn’t everything that is known by the father be known by the son if they were all one God?

Is the father superior to the son?
We believe that God is 3 distinct persons (Father, Son and Holy Spirit).

What makes a person?
Are the thoughts of 1 shared by the other 2?

Jesus submits to the will of the Father. 😉
If the Father wished to withold that information to the Son would He try to coax it out of the Father?
How would that jive with doing the will of the Father?

God the father has his will as has the Son. Is the Holy Spirit different?
 
Jesus in Matthew 24:36

“No one knows when that day or hour will
come —not the angels in heaven, nor the
Son, but only the father”

Shouldn’t everything that is known by the father be known by the son if they were all one God?

Is the father superior to the son?
Jesus was speaking as a man, according to his human nature, in the quote you take from scripture above. According to Christ’s divinity, he absolutely knew the day and hour.

The Father is not superior to the Son or to the Holy Spirit. They are all God and equal to each other.
 
Jesus in Matthew 24:36

“No one knows when that day or hour will
come —not the angels in heaven, nor the
Son, but only the father”

Shouldn’t everything that is known by the father be known by the son if they were all one God?

Is the father superior to the son?
When God became incarnate, he submitted in many ways to earthly limits. For example he was born and raised as a child. He didn’t come out of the womb walking and talking and feeding himself and preaching. As he grew older his power manifested and showed more and more. He could stop the weather and heal the sick. This culminates in him raising from the dead.

So in a simple way, God humbled and constrained himself, to properly experience the human condition himself. It is this humbled God he is referring to. It is something he did not allow himself to know in his state as the Son.
 
Here is a priest who maintains that Christ did not know the hour from his humanity, while supernaturally he did know it.
Yet, an even better answer is given by St. Gregory, who maintains that Jesus knew the day and the hour in his humanity, but not from his humanity.
Thus, in his human intellect, the Savior (who was ignorant of nothing) must be said to have known when he would return to judge the world by fire. However, this knowledge was not gained through sense experience, but only from the divine infusion of light upon his human soul. Hence, it is known in his soul, but not from his senses.
Therefore, when the Lord tells us that the Son does not know, he only means to indicate that the time of the judgment cannot be known by any through natural powers (not even by the angels). However, it is truly known to him through supernatural revelation (just as, we may suppose, it is also known to the angels by divine relation).
 
Even if he was speaking as a man, he was always a god who possessed the ultimate knowledge before his earthly coming, as a god, the exact knowledge should remain, he was human but his knowledge and thoughts were always godly.
 
Even if he was speaking as a man, he was always a god who possessed the ultimate knowledge before his earthly coming, as a god, the exact knowledge should remain, he was human but his knowledge and thoughts were always godly.
We cannot attribute human limitations on God, in any part of the Trinity.

Also, Jesus was not a god, but **is **God, as in ‘the’ one and only.
 
There’s no Trinity. Just like Allah it is an idol.
The Son of God is God’s essence. God is an object, the Rock. God’s Son is a concept, the Logos. The Holy Spirit is truth. Jesus is the offspring of God’s introspection. Jesus is God’s self-knowledge. The first truth is “I AM” i.e., God’s recognition of his self in his essence. The Father is in the Son.
 
Jesus in Matthew 24:36

“No one knows when that day or hour will
come —not the angels in heaven, nor the
Son, but only the father”

Shouldn’t everything that is known by the father be known by the son if they were all one God?

Is the father superior to the son?
Here are quotes from three of the doctors of the Church on this topic:

[Mark 13:32 But of that day or hour no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father.]

Now why it was that, though He knew, He did not tell His disciples plainly at that time, no one may be curious where He has been silent; for ‘Who hath known the mind of the Lord, or who hath been His counsellor?’ but why, though He knew, He said, ‘no, not the Son knows,’ this I think none of the faithful is ignorant, viz. that He made this as those other declarations as man by reason of the flesh. For this as before is not the Word’s deficiency, but of that human nature whose property it is to be ignorant. And this again will be well seen by honestly examining into the occasion, when and to whom the Saviour spoke thus. Not then when the heaven was made by Him, nor when He was with the Father Himself, the Word ‘disposing all things,’ nor before He became man did He say it, but when ‘the Word became flesh.’ On this account it is reasonable to ascribe to His manhood everything which, after He became man, He speaks humanly. For it is proper to the Word to know what was made, nor be ignorant either of the beginning or of the end of these (for the works are His), and He knows how many things He wrought, and the limit of their consistence. And knowing of each the beginning and the end, He knows surely the general and common end of all. Certainly when He says in the Gospel concerning Himself in His human character, ‘Father, the hour is come, glorify Thy Son,’ it is plain that He knows also the hour of the end of all things, as the Word, though as man He is ignorant of it, for ignorance is proper to man, and especially ignorance of these things. Moreover this is proper to the Saviour’s love of man; for since He was made man, He is not ashamed, because of the flesh which is ignorant, to say ‘I know not,’ that He may shew that knowing as God, He is but ignorant according to the flesh. And therefore He said not, ‘no, not the Son of God knows,’ lest the Godhead should seem ignorant, but simply, ‘no, not the Son,’ that the ignorance might be the Son’s as born from among men.
By saying, not the angels, He stopped their mouths, that they should not seek to learn what these angels know not; and by saying, “neither the Son,” forbids them not only to learn, but even to inquire. For in proof that therefore He said this, see after His resurrection, when He saw they were become over curious, how He stopped their mouths more decidedly. For now indeed He hath mentioned infallible signs, many and endless; but then He saith merely, “It is not for you to know times or seasons.” And then that they might not say, we are driven to perplexity, we are utterly scorned, we are not held worthy so much as of this, He says, “which the Father hath put in His own power.” And this, because He was exceedingly careful to honor them, and to conceal nothing from them. Therefore He refers it to His Father, both to make the thing awful, and to exclude that of which He had spoken from their inquiry. Since if it be not this, but He is ignorant of it, when will He know it? Will it be together with us? But who would say this? And the Father He knoweth clearly, even as clearly as He knoweth the Son; and of the day is He ignorant? Moreover, “the Spirit indeed searcheth even the deep things of God,” and doth not He know so much as the time of the judgment? But how He ought to judge He knoweth, and of the secrets of each He hath a full perception; and what is far more common than that, of this could He be ignorant? And how, if “all things were made by Him, and without Him was not even one thing made,”was He ignorant of the day? For He who made the worlds, it is quite plain that He made the times also; and if the times, even that day. How then is He ignorant of that which He made?
The advice, Brethren, which ye have just heard Scripture give, when it tells us to watch for the last day, every one should think of as concerning his own last day; lest haply when ye judge or think the last day of the world to be far distant, ye slumber with respect to your own last day. Ye have heard what Jesus said concerning the last day of this world, “That neither the Angels of heaven, nor the Son knew it, but the Father.” Where indeed there is a great difficulty, lest understanding this in a carnal way, we think that the Father knoweth anything which the Son knoweth not. For indeed when He said, “the Father knoweth it;” He said this because in the Father the Son also knoweth it. For what is there in a day which was not made by the Word, by whom the day was made? Let no one then search out for the last Day, when it is to be; but let us watch all by our good lives, lest the last day of any one of us find us unprepared, and such as any one shall depart hence on his last day, such he be found in the last day of the world. Nothing will then assist thee which thou shalt not have done here. His own works will succour, or his own works will overwhelm every one.
 
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