Trinity / Tritheism

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You are aware that Trinitarians don’t actually believe that a God is a plant, right?
There have been many analogies proposed over the years, to attempt to explain very difficult concepts, and that they fall short in one or more particular, but that nobody believes that the analogy is the last word.
You know that, right? 😜
And now I’m done.
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The best analogy I think is like a light bulb, wherein the light is coming forth from the bulb eternally.
 
I’ve seen the video. Watch St. Patrick’s bad close captioning. Anyway, you’re missing the part about satire.
 
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That’s the thing, no analogy is going to be perfect. I think some people refuse to accept that. Could be wrong.
 
Yeah, I remember you. You were friends with DancesWithBears on Google Plus, right? That’s the person who sent me the video long ago.
 
Tri Theism would mean 3 Gods. God is ONE.

Although the family unit has father, mother, sons and daughters; being many, the Family is ONE.

Remember that they live with Love. They love one another just as family members love one another. They are individuals but they Love and Share and Care for one another just as any other family. And it is through this love and concern that they have their being. They are living just as we are living. They speak to one another just as we speak to our relatives. They share goodness and pain just as we share goodness and pain with our own family members.

But The Rulership of The Universe, of all Creations, is on the ‘Royal Head’; being God, The Father and Jesus Christ.

Just as Saudi Arabia has their Royal Family. So is The Royal ‘Head’ of The Heavenly Family. The Heavenly Family comprises of all who live within The Kingdom of Heaven and within The Kingdom of God. Other lifes in other worlds do not live in this Heavenly Kingdom just as we do not live in The Heavenly Kingdom.

So when persons ‘fight’ against God and those which belong to Him, they are actually waging a ‘battle or war’ against the Ruler(s) of All Creation(s). And if God should desire, HE could commission some of His Heavenly Family to go and wage war against those that are seeking to destroy HIS Kingdom. Protecting The Kingdom, more or less.

Which Rightfully minded Ruler(s) would want their Kingdom destroyed by enemies? None… So therefore the Ruler(s) will send out Emissaries to keep The Kingdom’s Safety sure and safe.

Waging war, or declaring War, on The Kingdom of Heaven and onThe Kingdom of God, is just as real as one nation or Country waging war, or declaring war, on another nation or Country.

You can say it was all a joke but the other Country/Nation will make all efforts to keep its Nation from being destroyed.

Governments such as Democracies do not understand the differences between Kingdoms and Governments. Governments are ‘elected’ or ‘chosen’.

Kingdoms do not choose their King.

For any who enjoys pondering on how The Kingdom of Heaven should have a rightful voting process, they are not really knowing nor understanding the difference between Life and The Living.

And if such persons enjoy these thoughts, why not place the same thoughts upon their family’s house and possessions? Why not think to take away from their parents their homes and valuable possessions rather than thinking of doing so to those who are in even ‘greater’ positions of Reverence than their own biological parents?

They think and view God as a Public Source for Criticism and attacks when God is just as Personal and Private as any other Family Head.

Families do not really enjoy having their home’s sanity and well being ransacked and made into disorder by their ‘guests’ too much.

Guests are invited in. They do not force their way in.
 
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The kingdom I live in does choose its king: the succession is according to Acts passed by Parliament.
If the people at a general election decide for a party pledged to alter the succession, the succession will be altered.

Analogies between theological concepts and political concepts like king, prime minister, steward, etc, are almost always faulty. Best to avoid them.
 
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Read this slowly and meditate on it.

This is the Athanasian Creed, one of the historic Creeds most used in the Church (along with the Apostles and Nicene).
  1. Whoever wishes to be saved must, above all, keep the Catholic faith.
  2. For unless a person keeps this faith whole and entire he will undoubtedly be lost forever.
  3. This is what the Catholic faith teaches: we worship one God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity.
  4. We distinguish among the persons, but we do not divide the substance.
  5. For the Father is a distinct person; the Son is a distinct person; and the Holy Spirit is a distinct person.
  6. Still the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit have one divinity, equal glory, and coeternal majesty.
  7. What the Father is, the Son is, and the Holy Spirit is.
  8. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, and the Holy Spirit is uncreated.
  9. The Father is boundless, the Son is boundless, and the Holy Spirit is boundless.
  10. The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal, and the Holy Spirit is eternal.
  11. Nevertheless, there are not three eternal beings, but one eternal being.
  12. Thus there are not three uncreated beings, nor three boundless beings, but one uncreated being and one boundless being.
  13. Likewise, the Father is omnipotent, the Son is omnipotent, and the Holy Spirit is omnipotent.
  14. Yet there are not three omnipotent beings, but one omnipotent being.
  15. Thus the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.
  16. But there are not three gods, but one God.
  17. The Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, and the Holy Spirit is Lord.
  18. There are not three lords, but one Lord.
  19. For according to Christian truth, we must profess that each of the persons individually is God; and according to Christian religion we are forbidden to say that there are three gods or lords.
  20. The Father is not made by anyone, nor created by anyone, nor generated by anyone.
  21. The Son is not made nor created, but he is generated by the Father alone.
  22. The Holy Spirit is not made nor created nor generated, but proceeds from the Father and the Son.
  23. There is, then, one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, but not three sons; one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.
  24. In this Trinity, there is nothing greater, nothing less than anything else. But the entire three persons are coeternal and coequal with one another.
  25. So that, as we have said, we worship complete unity in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity.
  26. This, then, is what he who wishes to be saved must believe about the Trinity.
  27. It is also necessary for eternal salvation that he believes steadfastly in the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
  28. The true faith is: we believe and profess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is both God and man.
  29. He died for our salvation, descended to hell, arose from the dead on the third day.
 
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  1. He is perfect God; and He is perfect man, with a rational soul and human flesh.
  2. He is equal to the Father in His divinity, but He is inferior to the Father in His humanity.
  3. Although He is God and man, He is not two, but one Christ.
  4. And He is one, not because His divinity was changed into flesh, but because His humanity was assumed to God.
  5. He is one, not at all because of a mingling of substances, but because He is one person.
  6. As a rational soul and flesh are one man: so God and man are one Christ.
  7. As God He was begotten of the substance of the Father before time; as man He was born in time of the substance of His Mother.
  8. Ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of God the Father almighty, and from there He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
  9. At His coming, all men are to arise with their own bodies; and they are to give an account of their lives.
  10. Those who have done good deeds will go into eternal life; those who have done evil will go into everlasting fire.
  11. This is the Catholic faith. Everyone must believe it, firmly and steadfastly; otherwise He cannot be saved. Amen.
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It works for me, legend or not. A good simple teaching is a good simple teaching, regardless of whether anyone has evidence in the form of video footage.

Also, I don’t know what “partialism” is, and I don’t care to know.
Fancy words and concepts just get in the way. Jesus has asked us to come before the Lord as little children.
Therefore I find a lot of complexity unnecessary and simply a confusion of very simple concepts.

incidentally…from a cultural standpoint it’s kind of rude to dismiss a part of someone else’s ancestral heritage with “that’s only a legend”. I don’t do that to your heritage; please don’t do it to mine, or to others.
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Even though this poster has muted the thread, this is still worth commenting on.

“Big words” are essential in any discussion of the Trinity because we are talking about God himself. Just about as equally important is a knowledge of the Trinitarian heresies, not to call people heretics but to learn first of all what God is not. In fact, when talking about God, an important approach is the negative one first: identify what God is not and reject it, and then fit in the positive: what God is.

What Salam is saying is indeed correct. While there is no formal heresy called “partialism”, it is a dogma of faith that God is absolutely simple. Therefore the “shamrock” analogy confesses a heresy that there are parts in God. God has no parts, so the analogy falls apart.

In fact, any analogy will end up confessing some kind of heresy. The water-ice-steam analogy will confess Modalism or Sabellianism (that the Persons are just forms or modes of the same being) as would the man-husband-father analogy. The lightbulb analogy is Arianism, because the bulb and the light are two distinct entities or beings, which is not what we confess of the Trinity. The bulb is not the light, and vice versa.

No analogy can be used to explain God, and if one resorts to it, one should not keep it at that, because it an imprint a heretical understanding of the Trinity on the learner.

The best simple way to explain the Trinity is the Trinitarian Shield, and to expound on that, the Athanasian Creed. Not analogies.

And as much as one can appreciate the desire for childlike trust, the complexity, study, and understanding of the Trinity is essential, because put simply, one cannot love what one does not know. And since God is infinite and transcendent, and we are not, all we can do is exert the effort and continue to grow in the knowledge of God and therefore grow in our love for God. Because if we don’t, we stagnate.
 
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