Triumph completely in an instant?

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All my Catholic spiritual reading suggests that I should not try and run before I can walk, and that I need to take my spiritual life slowly, otherwise I might get an inflated confidence and fall hard.

But isn’t it true that if we have complete enough faith, we can overcome all temptations in a single instant? Isn’t it true that if we trust and love God enough, then in a single day we can be transformed into saintly character?

If you say no, then why not? First of all, with God nothing is impossible. Secondly, God wants us to stop sinning! This doesn’t just mean eventually, but immediately too! So isn’t it completely feasible, with God’s help, to overcome all sins and temptations forever, in a single heartbeat? Isn’t that actually what God wants of us?
 
I am not aware of any evidence from all of Christian history of such a transformation as you describe.
 
While it is true that God provides us with infused virtues through reception of the sacraments, it is also true that we require the natural and aquired virtues of temperance, prudence, justice and fortitude to actually sustain holiness. These virtues are only acquired through repeated good actions.

So practically speaking, the answer is no. Becoming holy takes time and effort. On the otherhand, I would never want to say it is actually impossible. I suppose God could make the infused virtues so powerful as to make us free from the strong inclination to sin. I am not really aware of cases in the lives of the saints that would suggest this happens, except for St. Thomas Aquinas being freed from temptations to impurity.
 
sdegutis said:
All my Catholic spiritual reading suggests that I should not try and run before I can walk, and that I need to take my spiritual life slowly, otherwise I might get an inflated confidence and fall hard.
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By all means, run if you are able.
 
sdegutis said:
All my Catholic spiritual reading suggests that I should not try and run before I can walk, and that I need to take my spiritual life slowly, otherwise I might get an inflated confidence and fall hard.

But isn’t it true that if we have complete enough faith, we can overcome all temptations in a single instant? Isn’t it true that if we trust and love God enough, then in a single day we can be transformed into saintly character?

If you say no, then why not? First of all, with God nothing is impossible. Secondly, God wants us to stop sinning! This doesn’t just mean eventually, but immediately too! So isn’t it completely feasible, with God’s help, to overcome all sins and temptations forever, in a single heartbeat? Isn’t that actually what God wants of us?
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Impossible?? I guess not. However, I have never heard of anyone in history that happened to, not even the saints.
 
The doctors of the Church on prayer, St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Avila, write about the journey to be one with Christ, or “Spiritual Marriage”.

It takes patience, perseverence and practice to grow in the virtues. We need to cooperate with the grace of God day in and day out in order to become spiritually mature.

The saints I mentioned above write about that spiritual journey. We give glory to God as we cooperate with him, and we need to have patience with ourselves.
 
I think that you are suggesting that there is some contradiction between God being offended by every sin, and yet he appears to not immediately answer our prayer “Stop me from sinning, Lord”. (or, if He does, he does it very rarely).

Yes, I will grant that there is some apparent contradiction there. 🙂

One of my favourite takes on this is a quote I heard from Fulton Sheen…

Question: Why does God allow us to sin?
Answer: So that we can forgive others

(I heard him say it in a recording of a radio show. I’ve never been able to track it down in print)

I personally find that the more I go to confession with the same sins, the more I find it in my heart to forgive any and every offence against me.

The only case I know of where such a prayer has been answered comprehensively is Sr Faustina being granted complete freedom from temptations to impurity. Edit - and Thomas Aquinas too, from the post by Katholish 🙂
 
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Impossible?? I guess not. However, I have never heard of anyone in history that happened to, not even the saints.
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Martyrdom - to willingly suffer death for Jesus - is a triumph of faith.

That’s why we have to be careful what we ask for.

We should always struggle to resist sin, and if it is God’s will that he not give us the grace and strength necessary to overcome a particular sin, we should get up, dust ourselves off and cling to him all the more, trusting that he knows what’s best for us.

Who was the particularly austere Abbot of the monastery who said, “You want eternal life. I’ll see to it that you get it.”?

We should be careful about asking for an instantaneous and complete conversion worthy of entry into heaven because God just might give it to us in an instant.

-Tim-
 
sdegutis said:
But isn’t it true that if we have complete enough faith, we can overcome all temptations in a single instant? Isn’t it true that if we trust and love God enough, then in a single day we can be transformed into saintly character?
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This is martyrdom. The gift of complete and instantaneous sainthood has been given to the martyrs. Be careful what you ask for.

Instead, when you fall, get up and dust yourself off, and cling all the more to God, confident that he knows what’s good for you.

-Tim-
 
A lot of things can happen. Should you presume that God is going to give you an extraordinary gift? No. If it happens, should you be thankful? Of course!

A lot of times, people think they’ve had an amazing moment of conversion. Looking back, though, they often see how God prepared them for that in subtle ways.

But then again, God could hit us with a clue-by-four whenever He chooses. He usually doesn’t choose to, because He usually has other ways to do things.
 
sdegutis said:
All my Catholic spiritual reading suggests that I should not try and run before I can walk, and that I need to take my spiritual life slowly, otherwise I might get an inflated confidence and fall hard.
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Good job. This is true!! And even after a while of walking or running you need to slow down and catch your breath.

Who told you God would want you to be perfect?
 
Nita, so that it is not taken out of context… this passage is not about EVERYTHING. It is true that we must strive for perfection in Christ Jesus… however you know there is a part of the bible that says no one is perfect as the Father and that we are imperfect… State of being! Even if we, as IN CONTEXT the passage you gave me states, love our enemies as well as our friends, it is only by Grace from Jesus that we can begin to love our enemies… therefore it is more be surrounded and accept perfection which is God. Be a carrier of the Holy Spirit… and if being perfect is accepting Jesus, then okay… but as humans we can only take it as we accept Grace and no faster… or that would be man making a mess! So, original poster… pray that you are in God’s will and will accept the Grace He is offering you right now.
 
+JMJ+
sdegutis said:
All my Catholic spiritual reading suggests that I should not try and run before I can walk, and that I need to take my spiritual life slowly, otherwise I might get an inflated confidence and fall hard.

But isn’t it true that if we have complete enough faith, we can overcome all temptations in a single instant? Isn’t it true that if we trust and love God enough, then in a single day we can be transformed into saintly character?

If you say no, then why not? First of all, with God nothing is impossible. Secondly, God wants us to stop sinning! This doesn’t just mean eventually, but immediately too! So isn’t it completely feasible, with God’s help, to overcome all sins and temptations forever, in a single heartbeat? Isn’t that actually what God wants of us?
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Read “Joy” by Peter Kreeft.
 
Peanut7949 said:
Nita, so that it is not taken out of context… this passage is not about EVERYTHING. It is true that we must strive for perfection in Christ Jesus… however you know there is a part of the bible that says no one is perfect as the Father and that we are imperfect… State of being! Even if we, as IN CONTEXT the passage you gave me states, love our enemies as well as our friends, it is only by Grace from Jesus that we can begin to love our enemies… therefore it is more be surrounded and accept perfection which is God. Be a carrier of the Holy Spirit… and if being perfect is accepting Jesus, then okay… but as humans we can only take it as we accept Grace and no faster… or that would be man making a mess! So, original poster… pray that you are in God’s will and will accept the Grace He is offering you right now.
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I consider “perfect” in the Mt. 5:48 passage to mean “sinless”. God is sinless/perfect; we too must become sinless/perfect. Sin is not allowed in heaven. We are not conceived perfect, but if we wish to enter heaven, we must be perfected – become clean of all sin. (cf. Rev. 21:27). Jesus does not say this must take place instantly. Most of us don’t accomplish it here on earth and so the cleansing continues in Purgatory.

I’m not sure what you mean by “EVERYTHING”. Naturally we do not have any of the virtues to the same* degree *as God. We don’t even have them to an identical degree as other humans.

As regards grace, we can do nothing good without God’s grace; we can’t even exist except for it!
 
You buncha “Catholic” Protestants, stop interpreting Scripture all wrong. Yes, God wants us to be perfect as our Father in Heaven is perfect. God wants us to stop sinning.

So let me rephrase what I said above in a less controversial manner:

In an instant, in a heartbeat, in the blind of an eye, we absolutely can stop sinning forever. What we need is full faith and full hope and full love, all pointing at God. However, it will be incredibly painful and difficult.

Running rather than walking isn’t really about not sinning, it’s about doing good works. The good works make our disposition closer to loving God and further from fearing God out of a servile fear. If we love God then we fear offending God, and our fear is filial.

So we can certainly run when it comes to avoiding sin. We can run in an instant! When it comes to doing good works, we need to walk for a little while, while our faith and hope and love increases, praying for them constantly to increase, and cooperating with every good inspiration God grants us in response to these prayers. As this goes on, performing good works will get significantly easier and we can and should do them, which is nothing more than cooperating with even more inspirations from God, which are the exact opposite of temptations from the devil.
 
sdegutis said:
In an instant, in a heartbeat, in the blind of an eye, we absolutely can stop sinning forever. What we need is full faith and full hope and full love, all pointing at God. However, it will be incredibly painful and difficult.
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So how does one achieve full faith and full hope and full love? Or, to put the question in terms you are very familiar with, why haven’t you already achieved full faith and full hope and full love?
 
Because I need to pray without ceasing. Once I start, it snowballs.
 
nuntym said:
+jmj+

read “joy” by peter kreeft.
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great article.

Hits what you need. A good read, only if you want. God bless~
You are probably praying more than you think… while working you might be praying more than you think. It is good to set aside 15 minutes of pure with Jesus time. You ought to find Eucharistic Adoration at any parish near you, WOW! You don’t even have to think there!

Pray a rosary once in a while, you will notice the help!
 
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