TriuneUnity and other Lutherans.... your opinions on this article, please.

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TriuneUnity said:
Exactly. The moment the president of the WELS and the Pope shook hands, the Continental Shelf would collapse.
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:whistle: I’m really happy I wasn’t drinking anything when I read that!!😃 I’m still laughing!!!

You know…its too bad that many more of us can’t get along as most of us do here!👍
 
RobHom said:
:whistle: I’m really happy I wasn’t drinking anything when I read that!!😃 I’m still laughing!!!

You know…its too bad that many more of us can’t get along as most of us do here!👍
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Honestly, I think the tension is only found in three places: Here at CAF; debates between James White and Patrick Madrid: and two Baptists in a liquor store.
 
RobHom said:
LOL!!! I’m not too worried about 2012… But the reason I’m not saying much is because I’m trying to “digest” the technical legal language in some of the posts… Talk about splitting hairs and making things difficult!! Whatever happened to the “KISS Principle”?:confused: :confused: 😃
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What does Detroit Rock City have to do with ecumenism?
 
JonNC said:
Insert here, an image of the Genesis Planet self-destructing in “The Search For Spock”.

It could happen! What about the kissing of feet part?
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I would kiss Benedict’s feet, because he’s German, and so his feet must at least have a few drops of Schnapps.

Seriously, I anxiously await this supposed symposium by Benedict on Luther.
 
ralphinal said:
So man is inherently evil in his natural state?
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Yes; which is why he cannot come to Christ in faith and repentance unless God gives him the new birth through the water and the word.

Ask yourself a simply analogy question; did you have anything to do with your first birth? Any decision you had to make to be born? Or was it given to you? So it was with the new birth. The Spirit blows where He will and calls His people to Himself.

As the apostle says in John 1:12-13:, “But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.”
 
 
TriuneUnity said:
Yes; which is why he cannot come to Christ in faith and repentance unless God gives him the new birth through the water and the word.

Ask yourself a simply analogy question; did you have anything to do with your first birth? Any decision you had to make to be born? Or was it given to you? So it was with the new birth. The Spirit blows where He will and calls His people to Himself.

As the apostle says in John 1:12-13:, “But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.”
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I am in the middle of watching football, so I will point out that this is NOT Catholic teaching. We are born separated from God, but that does not make us evil. What we choose to do does.
 
ralphinal said:
I am in the middle of watching football, so I will point out that this is NOT Catholic teaching. We are born separated from God, but that does not make us evil. What we choose to do does.
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If God is good then anything separated from Him, by definition, is not good. Anything not good is evil. God does not see in shades of gray. He is moral perfection and He expects moral perfection from that which He has made. One act of disobedience brought spiritual and, eventually, physical death on all mankind.

The evil actions that we do in our lives are not the reason we are evil. We do things that are evil because our hearts our evil. Jesus Himself makes this abundantly clear, “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.”

Prior to our regeneration, the fruit we bear is evil, because the tree is evil, as Jesus says, “So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.”
 
ralphinal said:
I am in the middle of watching football, so I will point out that this is NOT Catholic teaching. We are born separated from God, but that does not make us evil. What we choose to do does.
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I do not believe that man is inherently evil… (that is a very Calvinist notion…as in the “T” in TULIP)… We, while we are born with original sin…which makes us separate from God…we have been given “free will” by God to decide what course in life to follow. It is the decisions that we make and follow that determines whether we are evil or good in the sight of God.
 
RobHom said:
I do not believe that man is inherently evil… (that is a very Calvinist notion…as in the “T” in TULIP)… We, while we are born with original sin…which makes us separate from God…we have been given “free will” by God to decide what course in life to follow. It is the decisions that we make and follow that determines whether we are evil or good in the sight of God.
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The T is about the only thing I agree with in the dreaded C word. The biblical passages which teach it are overwhelming. I’ve never seen any which contradict it. The Bible says nothing positive about the natural man or unbeliever.
 
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