Trivia pursuit the n.o. mass

[deogratias]

1. What does the entrance procession toward the altar symbolize?
2. Why does the priest kiss the altar?
3. How many forms of the penitential rite are found in the Missal?
4. What is another name for the Gloria?
5. Why is the opening prayer called the Collect?
6. Which two books can the Psalm, when sung, bet taken from?
7. Why do we stand for the reading of the Gospel but sit for the other readings?
8. What three things do we confess to having faith in during the Creed?
9. What are the three steps in the liturgy of the Eucahrist?
10. What is the symbolism of the Lavabo?
11. What are the chief elements of the Eucharistic Prayer called

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[deogratias]

Gosh - what’s up here. I posted a Trivial Pursuit Quiz on the TLM and so did someone else and there were lots of responses - ???

 

[Trad_Catholic]

That’s because when the Mass is in the vernacular you’re supposed to understand what’s going on; however, that is never the case. No one at a NO Mass knows what the Mass is. They say using vernacular helps you understand–then why if you ask nearly anyone at a TLM what is happening at a part of the Mass, he will know, but the very vast majority of NOers have no clue. If you changed the Credo to vernacular so you can actually profess what you believe, then what does “God from God” mean? What does “Light from Light” mean? No NOer ever posed with this has had any clue–and this is what they profess as their Creed? That makes no sense. They change it so they can understand, and it does the exact opposite of what it was supposed to–chalk it up again for the “modern Church” backfiring. God bless.

(Deo Gratias, that was not posed to you but to NOers in general)

 

[deogratias]

Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut but I am still hoping that somone will respond to at least some of these answers. I posted them because I did not want to seem prejudiced in favor of the TLM and because I realize that there is meaning in what is done in both Masses and that Understanding What the Mass Means and What it is About - is important to all Catholics.

 

[kmknapp]

Off top of head (unresearched) answers. also see my essay at
my.execpc.com/~kmknapp/tracts/sixmovements.html
“The Six Movements of the Eucharist”

1. What does the entrance procession toward the altar symbolize?

As the psalm says, we go to the altar of God, who gives joy to our youth. Also symbolic of entry into the heavenly Jerusalem in the forever present (outside time)

1. Why does the priest kiss the altar?

In love and respect for Christ and His one Sacrifice, which the altar re-presents to us, also as a reverence to the relics of the saints of God in or under the altar.

1. How many forms of the penitential rite are found in the Missal?

Let’s see:

1. Confiteor followed by Kyrie
   2)“Lord we have sinned…Lord, show us your mercy and love…”
   3)The one with longer invocations, with the Kyrie integrated
   4)rite of ablution, i.e. washing/sprinking with baptismal water
   so it’s four!

1. What is another name for the Gloria?

The Great Hymn of Praise (and there’s probably other names too)

1. Why is the opening prayer called the Collect?

for the same reason it was called that in the previous redaction which my early catechesis stated was because it gathered our intention in prayer into one to offer to God.

1. Which two books can the Psalm, when sung, bet taken from?

the Lectionary or the Graduale — which translates to, the one assigned for the particular day, or from the ones approved for use according to the liturgical seasons.

1. Why do we stand for the reading of the Gospel but sit for the other readings?

Because the Holy Gospel is worthy of special honor, even beyond the rest of the Scriptures, being the Good News of our Saviour and Lord, and containing His very words.

1. What three things do we confess to having faith in during the Creed?

1)One God, the Father, the Almighty…
2)One Lord, Jesus Christ,…
3)The Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life,…
and also
i)one holy catholic and apostolic church
ii)one baptism for the forgiveness of sins
iii)resurrection of the dead and life of world to come.

1. What are the three steps in the liturgy of the Eucahrist?

Offertory, or Presentation and preparation of the gifts
Consecration, or Anamnesis
Communion

(unless you mean, the meaning of the three steps which separate the altar from everywhere else in a Catholic church…

1. What is the symbolism of the Lavabo?

the priest asks the Lord to cleanse him of all his sin so he may properly offer the Holy Sacrifice.

have to stop typing, may be back to finish later…

karen marie

 

[SteveG]

Trad_Catholic:

That’s because when the Mass is in the vernacular you’re supposed to understand what’s going on; however, that is never the case. No one at a NO Mass knows what the Mass is.

Sheer silliness. It’s more likely because unlike traditionalist, the average person isn’t consumed by the minutea of the liturgy. We try to live an breathe it, not memorize the theological exposition of each word. It’s always been so, or are you going to ridiculously argue that everyone pre-NO could have answered the TLM questions and knew the detailed, nuanced theological meaning behind the creed BECAUSE it was in Latin. Preposterous! I have read the GIRM, and am well acquinted with the liturgy and it’s meaning and if pushed, could give/find the answers to these questions without overly straining myself. But since I’d rather spend my time worshipping Christ than the liturgy itself, I don’t find any reason to do so. I suspect most folks not consumed with traditionalism feel likewise.

 

[deogratias]

kmknapp:

Off top of head (unresearched) answers. also see my essay at
my.execpc.com/~kmknapp/tracts/sixmovements.html
“The Six Movements of the Eucharist”

As the psalm says, we go to the altar of God, who gives joy to our youth. Also symbolic of entry into the heavenly Jerusalem in the forever present (outside time)

Yes, symbolic of the pilgrim Churches journey towards heaven.

In love and respect for Christ and His one Sacrifice, which the altar re-presents to us, also as a reverence to the relics of the saints of God in or under the altar.

It is also signifies the union of Christ with his Bride the Church

Let’s see:

1. Confiteor followed by Kyrie
   2)“Lord we have sinned…Lord, show us your mercy and love…”
   3)The one with longer invocations, with the Kyrie integrated
   4)rite of ablution, i.e. washing/sprinking with baptismal water
   so it’s four!

Ah I see why you answered as you did but the question was how many forms are found in the missal and the answer is three - three different forms - only one said at each Mass, not all three and at the end of each the priest says "May almighty God have mercy on us, fogive us our sins, and bring us to everlasting life"

The Great Hymn of Praise (and there’s probably other names too)

I was thinking of “The Greater Doxology” which may be the same thin as The Great Hymn of Praise but I have never heard the lesser doxology called the Lesser Hymn of Praise (doncha just hate smart alecs?)

for the same reason it was called that in the previous redaction which my early catechesis stated was because it gathered our intention in prayer into one to offer to God.

Exactly

the Lectionary or the Graduale — which translates to, the one assigned for the particular day, or from the ones approved for use according to the liturgical seasons.

Right again.

Because the Holy Gospel is worthy of special honor, even beyond the rest of the Scriptures, being the Good News of our Saviour and Lord, and containing His very words.

This is one thing that remains unchanged through the ages, even in the earliest recordings of Church history everyone stood to listen to the readings, even the feeble and the weak would stand with assistance and princes and kings would remove their crowns it it written. Glory to you Lord, Jesus Christ.

1)One God, the Father, the Almighty…
2)One Lord, Jesus Christ,…
3)The Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life,…
and also
i)one holy catholic and apostolic church
ii)one baptism for the forgiveness of sins
iii)resurrection of the dead and life of world to come.

1 and 2 are what I had in mind and in a way #3 as we confess our faith in the means of salvation supplied by God the Holy Spirit - so we are on the same page here also.

Offertory, or Presentation and preparation of the gifts
Consecration, or Anamnesis
Communion

I was referring to the entire Eucharistic Prayer of which the Consecration is a part as the second part but again you show more understanding that many I suspect

(unless you mean, the meaning of the three steps which separate the altar from everywhere else in a Catholic church…

LOL

the priest asks the Lord to cleanse him of all his sin so he may properly offer the Holy Sacrifice.

yep

have to stop typing, may be back to finish later…

Thanks for participating and restoring my faith that people know why they do what they do at Mass.

karen marie

 

[deogratias]

Steve and Trad - I get so sick of this accusing and counter accusing all in the name of Catholicism - if you have a need to be “right” then answer the questions, don’t beat each other up and take your dispute somewhere else. Answer the questions or step outside and duke it out in some other thread -

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

In #2 the Altar represents the Cross. Because it is what the Sacrifice takes place on during the Mass, the same sacrifice as that of the Cross which was Christ’s altar on which His Sacrifice took place in time.

 

[deogratias]

The Catholic Encylopedia states “By a symbolism prevalent from a very early period the altar was regarded as typical of Christ, the God-Man, abiding permanently with His Church in the Sacrifice of the Mass”

Here’s another question - since the Altar is a sacred table, why is it made in the form of a tomb?

 

[kmknapp]

deogratias:

The Catholic Encylopedia states “By a symbolism prevalent from a very early period the altar was regarded as typical of Christ, the God-Man, abiding permanently with His Church in the Sacrifice of the Mass”

Here’s another question - since the Altar is a sacred table, why is it made in the form of a tomb?

Too easy! Because in the early days, Eucharist was offered on the tombs of the martyrs. This is also the reason why the first-class relics (=body pieces) of saints are in or under all permanent altars. When our Cathedral was rededicated and the new altar consecrated, relics of St. Jean Vianney and St. Francis Xavier were placed in the reliquary catafalque underneath the new altar. This also echos the Apocalypse, where the saints sing the praises of the Lamb from under the altar.

karen marie