Trouble meditating on the 4th joyful mystery

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What do you see when you meditate or contemplate the mystery of the purification or presentation.

I don’t really understand what Mary is doing at the temple to begin with. I see Simeon a famous prelate who spots Mary out of a crowd and the I feel a sense of wander from the passers by as Simeon is aw struck with Mary and Jesus, and then a peircing glare as he contemplates the sorrows Mary will have to endure, and then I feel an utter desolation on Mary’s behalf in the wake of this prophecy, she knew it to be true, but maybe she had allowed herself to forget after so many years.

What was the custom or purification though? Was it like Baptism?
 
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I don’t really understand what Mary is doing at the temple to begin with. I see Simeon a famous prelate who spots Mary out of a crowd and the I feel a sense of wander from the passers by as Simeon is aw struck with Mary and Jesus, and then a peircing glare as he contemplates the sorrows Mary will have to endure, and then I feel an utter desolation on Mary’s behalf in the wake of this prophecy, she knew it to be true, but maybe she had allowed herself to forget after so many years.
The current Fourth Joyful Mystery is the Presentation of Our Lord.

Mary and Joseph went to the Jewish temple with Baby Jesus to fulfill the requirements of the Jewish Law stated in Leviticus 12. These state that after a mother gives birth to a son, she will remain in a state of ritual impurity for a certain amount of time and then at the end of that time will bring certain animal sacrifices (In Mary’s case, two turtledoves) to the temple. You can read the whole chapter of Leviticus for the details.

So basically Mary and Joseph, as observant Jewish people, were going to the Jewish temple to fulfill the requirements of the Jewish law for new parents of a son. The purification wasn’t quite the same as Baptism, but it was similar in that we baptize our children Catholic as a commitment to raise our child in the church, and Mary and Joseph by doing the ceremony required by Jewish law were showing their commitment to raise their child Jewish.

Simeon was the priest, who had previously prayed to God that he be allowed to see the Messiah. When he saw Jesus, he realized he was seeing the promised Messiah and received revelations which he communicated to Mary.

No doubt both Mary and Joseph were somewhat disturbed by hearing that Mary’s heart would be pierced with a sword and such, but they were also heartened by seeing how joyful Simeon was to see baby Jesus, and hearing once again that their son would be great. It was a mixed message. They also didn’t fully understand it at the time. They pondered it and prayed. And of course Mary didn’t “forget” about it; it was a revelation to her from a holy priest, she would have remembered it but not fallen into worry or despair over it.

The meditation for the Presentation often focuses on some of the following ideas:
  1. Mary and Joseph were obedient to the Jewish laws, even though immaculate Mary didn’t really need “purification” in the Jewish ritual sense and their child was God. We too should be obedient to our Church precepts and laws.
  2. Simeon’s prayer was answered by God; he got to see the Messiah before he died. We should trust in God to answer our prayers. We should also be joyful like Simeon that God sent Jesus to save us.
  3. Mary and Joseph received a foreshadowing that some sorrow or difficulty might be in store for Mary and her child. They pondered this, but they didn’t stop trusting God, they didn’t fall into despair, they didn’t reject what God might have in store for them.
There are of course other possible meditations connected to the mystery; these are just a few of the most common.
 
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I feel an utter desolation on Mary’s behalf in the wake of this prophecy, she knew it to be true, but maybe she had allowed herself to forget after so many years.
Mary, like other Jewish young women in 1st century Palestine, was educated and knew the prophesies wrt the Messiah. She, like all of her peers, would have wondered if SHE might be the one to bear the Messiah. When she conceived of the Holy Spirit, she knew that those prophesies would be reality for her Son.
 
So indeed it was similar to a child baptism. Thank you for sharing.
 
This is the icon of the Presentation of Our Lord in the Temple:

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These are the propers for the Feast (it’s also combine with Sunday’s):


Excerpts from Great Vespers for the Feast:

Today the gates of heaven swing open,* for the Word of the Father Who has no beginning* has received beginning in time* without any loss to His divinity.* As a child of forty days He is offered by a virgin Mother* in the Temple according to the Law.* The Elder Simeon receives Him in his arms and cries out:* Dismiss me, O Master, for my eyes have seen Your salvation;** O Lord, Who came into the world to save us, glory to You!

Readings

(1) Exodus 13:1-3, 11-12, 14-16; (2) Isaiah 6:1-12; (3) Isaiah 19:1-5, 12, 19-21



He Who is Ancient of Days and young in the flesh* is being brought into the Temple by His virgin Mother.* He fulfils the promise of His own Law.* Simeon receives Him and says:* Now You may let Your servant go in peace,** for my eyes have seen Your salvation, O Lord.
 
Is St. Joseph always presented as being an old(er) man in iconography?
 
In Byzantine iconography, usually yes. Some newer “Holy Family” icons have a younger St. Joseph.
 
Actually, the Circumcision of Our Lord would be similar to Baptism because if one was uncircumcised, he was not part of the Chosen people, couldn’t eat the Passover meal etc. If you were circumcised, then a man was a member of the Jewish community.

Baptism is the gateway to the other sacraments. One who is unbaptized cannot receive Confirmation or any other sacraments.

IOW, circumcision is to Judaism what baptism is for Catholics in the sense that they make a man a member of their respective communities.
 
IOW, circumcision is to Judaism what baptism is for Catholics in the sense that they make a man a member of their respective communities.
I agree. It should be noted that the Fourth Joyful Mystery in some older prayer books and some European countries in the past was actually “The Circumcision of Our Lord” (I know this because when I was little, I had such a book; it was old), and many people who have not studied Leviticus think the Circumcision and the Presentation are the same thing, which they aren’t because per Leviticus, the two events would have happened many days apart. However, one can certainly meditate on Jesus’ Circumcision as part of the Fourth Mystery, in the same sense of its showing that Jesus and his parents followed the rules of their church and so should we.
 
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Well, not really. Circumcision was the entry into the covenant. Hope I get this right: The purification was in accord with the Mosaic law, and childbirth rendered a woman “ritually impure” - not sinful, as it was a natural process - as did her monthly period. Thus, a Mikva (ritual bath) and an offering were involved. Much in the old covenant was about blood.

As to the presentation, Christ was born under the law so as to fulfill the law. Every firstborn male was to be dedicated to the Lord.
 
I often meditate on the seven sorrows of Mary, or at least the fact that she was not spared anxiety and grief in her life (just like us), because the sword that pierced her heart that is predicted in this mystery is that of Our Lady of Sorrows. Or, I meditate on how much Our Lady was associated with Jesus in His Passion as the sword pierced both their hearts as she offered Him to His Father while standing beneath the Cross. I sometimes meditate on the fact that only two elderly people in the entire bustling temple area could perceive the Christ child, so like the few who anticipate the Lord and thus find Him in every generation. I find, in fact, this Joyful Mystery very rich in meditative material.
 
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The Canticle of Simeon is pretty awesome for a meditation for this mystery.
 
For some reason, we have immigrant parishioners from the Americas who think that Jesus presentation was not until he was 3 years old. Would love to know where that began.
 
They’re confusing the Presentation of of Our Lord in the Temple (Feb. 2) with the Entrance of the Theotokos in the Temple (Nov. 21). Our Lady was presented in the Temple at the age of 3:

 
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