No? Let’s look at what this passage says again, shall we?
Elisha lived a holy life consecrated to God. He lived it to his very bones, and even after he left his bones, the holiness he lived was testified through them.
I think it would be more accrurate to say that God works through material objects to manifest His special powers to people.
Are you suggesting that there was no real healing power present?
We see that certain places and objects were venerated as Holy, and that people gathered there, or used those objects to access the healing power of God.
Absolutely! Do you not depend on angels to help you?
To an extent, you are right. They taught that the saints are alive inheaven, and are eager to help us.
Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
Yes there is - the smoke of the incense was the prayers (other people’s prayers that they had entrusted to him and prayed to him) that he was now offering to God.
I have made an “honest” attempt to discern the material through prayer–ie relying on prayer as well. As far as humility, I would suggest that berating–and that IS how you are coming across shows a lack of humility. You know what is actually not funny–I have spent the better part of a week emailing a–rapid fundamentalist who is quite a bit more respectful than you.
Pride? Buddy you could write a book on that. I most certainly have not rejected Sacred Tradition. I do question part of it. Part–that means a little.
Satan’s work within me. Thats just—great.
I agree. C’mon, let’s face it, Satan wants a piece of all of us. I don’t think that he is singling you out, by any means. Here’s what I have found; faith is very much like a butterfly, a beautiful thing. But when you catch the butterfly and try to pull it apart to see what makes it work… well, you know the result. We humans very often suffer from a need to know too much. I used to question everything, I came to the Church from atheism, I needed to debunk everything. So I studied and probed and questioned. And I had a hole in my heart that only God and His Son and His Church could fill. He must have laid His hand on me, because I went from believing nothing, to believing everything that Jesus wants me to know through His Church. I have no more doubts. Jesus works through His Holy Catholic Church and I trust Him and his Church to carry me through. Don’t listen to the negative voices and the voices from the protestant side. They hate her because she is all that they wish they could be, One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic and guided by the Holy Spirit.
You are obviously young. Sometimes we have to fall flat on our faces to learn our lessons. I thought I was sharing with you how I got wrapped up into fundamentalism. Of course the fundamentalist sounds nicer than me. But you have no idea what life awaits you. How about being constantly thumped over the head…afraid of god killing you in the end. I could write a book on this subject. My pastor even suggested I write a book. I have a very unique life experience. My in-laws are all fundametalist anti-Catholics. I lived through believing that everyone was going to hell except a few in the end. And Catholics, Baptists, Buhdists, Muslims, Methodists, etc. were all doomed to hell no matter how hard they tried because their prayers fell upon deaf ears. God does not hear their prayers. That’s how deep into this fundamental evangelical mindset I got. If anyone needs to be humble…it’s me. I know that. But I tried to share that with you and instead of listening…you’ve decided to get your answers from a fundamentalist rather than call CAF or you pastor. That is a sign that you really don’t want to believe anymore. I learned, the hard way, that that was my pride in the way. I’ve heard the same from a hundred different sources. Your pride is absolutely getting in the way. You just don’t want to hear that.I have made an “honest” attempt to discern the material through prayer–ie relying on prayer as well. As far as humility, I would suggest that berating–and that IS how you are coming across shows a lack of humility. You know what is actually not funny–I have spent the better part of a week emailing a–rapid fundamentalist who is quite a bit more respectful than you.
I have repeatedly tried to, and in PMs succeeded, in discussing facts. Why are you making this about me? Any information I gave about ME was to give background. Thats all.
Pride? Buddy you could write a book on that. I most certainly have not rejected Sacred Tradition. I do question part of it. Part–that means a little.
Satan’s work within me. Thats just—great.
I was just trying to help. My friend/priest [a good friend of mine from my seminary days] advised me not to cast pearls before swine. I hope that’s not what’s happening here. I thought you were earnestly asking for advice. I’m sorry, I misunderstood. You seem to already have what you want, now you’re just trying to find a way to shake loose. Break free of the chains that bind you…Catholicism. Sin. Let me guess…baptism, reconciliation, communion, annointing of the sick, confirmation, holy matrimony, holy orders. Which one of these are you having trouble with believing?If I neglected it, may I now welcome you to CAF. You mentioned in your previous post that you had some doubts on Sacred Tradition. If it is not too far off the thread topic, can you say what they might be?
It’s not up to us to try to re-do all of the research that the Magisterium has already done. It’s quite possible that evidence that used to be there is no longer available. But those who made the pronouncement are protected by the Holy Spirit, and they had the evidence that they needed to do so, or else they would not have done so.On the website I linked–no need to give him free publicity–it talks about the Assumption of our Blessed Mother. Not the part about the Book of Revelation stuff. The quotes from the Catholic Encyclopedia itself showing what looks like to me a very underwhelming historical case. Do not bite my head off
Mason, I see it this way.On the website I linked–no need to give him free publicity–it talks about the Assumption of our Blessed Mother. Not the part about the Book of Revelation stuff. The quotes from the Catholic Encyclopedia itself showing what looks like to me a very underwhelming historical case. Do not bite my head off
Shouldn’t you have knowledge from all and not just what the Magisterium says? Wouldn’t that be like asking a Chevy dealer if a Ford was any good?
Have you researched all the writings of the early church? All their councils?
This is a false contrast, since whether you buy a Ford or a Chevy, you are still buying a car.
Actually… your statement at first does little more than “limit God” and His creations. That something does not specifically exist in scriptures does not negate anything. Fords, Edsels and Nuclear Powered Battle Ships don’t exist in scripture… Its a silly statement…but that’s how we view a “sola scripturist’s” quasi-justification of negation.
(Bluntly put but succinct!) Need more…