Trouble with verse(Mark:13:55)

[CatholicWing]

I am Roman Catholic and i have trouble to understand this verse can any body explain for me this veres?
**Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary, and his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Jude: **
(Mark:13:55)
Thanks

 

[Mannyfit75]

I am Roman Catholic and i have trouble to understand this verse can any body explain for me this veres?
**Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary, and his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Jude: **
(Mark:13:55)
Thanks

They are his cousins. There is no word for cousin in Hebrew and Aramaic so the language use brother or sister.

 

[deb1]

I am Roman Catholic and i have trouble to understand this verse can any body explain for me this veres?
**Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary, and his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Jude: **
(Mark:13:55)
Thanks

Although I am not certain of the exact verse I am about to use, it could probably easily be found in Genesis. Lot was Abraham’s nephew, that is very clear in the bible. Yet when Lot and his family is taken prisoner by a king, the bible refers to Lot as Abraham’s brother. How can a person be both a brother and a nephew without some strange incest occuring? Well, as has been pointed out, the Ancient Semetic Languages did not have a word for cousins or nephew.

 

[NotWorthy]

Although I am not certain of the exact verse I am about to use, it could probably easily be found in Genesis. Lot was Abraham’s nephew, that is very clear in the bible. Yet when Lot and his family is taken prisoner by a king, the bible refers to Lot as Abraham’s brother. How can a person be both a brother and a nephew without some strange incest occuring? Well, as has been pointed out, the Ancient Semetic Languages did not have a word for cousins or nephew.

To make this even more confusing, the NAB lists Lot as Abram’s nephew, since they know that’s what the author meant. Luckily, the people that often make this claim use the King James, and most of those still list it as “brother”.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Note Matthew 28:10

Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid. Go tell my brothers to go to Galilee, and there they will see me.”

and

Matthew 26:16

The eleven 9 disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had ordered them.

I don’t think anyone will maintain that the eleven were Jesus’s biological brothers.

 

[Pax]

Nowhere in scripture will you find anyone referred to as a son or daughter of Mary except for Jesus.

Others have pointed out the common use of the term brother and sister as having a meaning that could extend to cousins, relatives and even close acquaintances.The NT writers extended this type of usage in the Greek where the Greek words can also extend beyond the meaning of a biological brother/sister.

Here is another example of how illogical the usage of the term brother can become if not understood properly by way of the rules of linguistics when applied to Hebrew and Aramaic.

In Act:1:12-15 its says:

“Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a sabbath day’s journey away; and when they had entered, they went up to the upper room, where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot and Judas the son of James. All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers. In those days Peter stood up among the brethren **(the company of persons was in all about a hundred and twenty), **…”

If we count all those named in the passage along with the reference to the “women” we could estimate a group of no more than twenty to twenty five. The last verse, however, clearly indicates that the assembled numbered about a a hundred and twenty. This would mean that Jesus brothers would make up the remaing 90 to 100 hundred individuals in the assembly. Obviously, no one believes that Jesus could have possibly had that many siblings by way of his mother Mary. There really is nothing in scripture that truly supports the idea that Mary had any other children besides Jesus.

I hope this helps.

 

[CatholicWing]

Thanks to all of you. I am really happy to get yours faithful response in detial. I have now clear that Jesus is the only son of Mother Mary.
Once again thanks you very much.

 

[Kepha15]

There has been speculation that Joseph was a widower when he was betrothed to Mary, and that Jesus’s “brothers” were actually half-brothers, or children of Joseph’s first marriage.

 

[CatholicWing]

I am not understand what you want to explain me. Could you tell me in detial?
THanks

There has been speculation that Joseph was a widower when he was betrothed to Mary, and that Jesus’s “brothers” were actually half-brothers, or children of Joseph’s first marriage.

 

[Efrain]

There are two James from the twelve. James son of Zebedee and James son of Alpheus. I have even heard claims that there was a third James who was the brother of the Lord. Is this claim true? Which James wrote the epistle? Which James was the bishop of Jerusalem?

 

[Dirk_Skene]

While I am sure the Hebrew language has probably evolved since this verse was written, I know on good authority that even in modern usage, someone in Israel today will still refer to cousins as brothers & sisters. It’s just the culture.

 

[NotWorthy]

There are two James from the twelve. James son of Zebedee and James son of Alpheus. I have even heard claims that there was a third James who was the brother of the Lord. Is this claim true? Which James wrote the epistle? Which James was the bishop of Jerusalem?

James, “the brother of the Lord”, was the first bishop of Jerusalem and the author of the epistles of James. He was neither of the two apostles. He was executed in the early 60’s, I believe. The Christian AND Jewish communities of Jerusalem were so appalled at his execution, that they were able to get the Jewish High Priest removed. The JHP was the one who authorized James’ execution.

It is believed the James may have come from the Essene community, or at least had strong ties with the Essenes.

BTW, No, he was not Jesus’ blood brother through Mary.

 

[Efrain]

James, “the brother of the Lord”, was the first bishop of Jerusalem and the author of the epistles of James. He was neither of the two apostles. He was executed in the early 60’s, I believe. The Christian AND Jewish communities of Jerusalem were so appalled at his execution, that they were able to get the Jewish High Priest removed. The JHP was the one who authorized James’ execution.

It is believed the James may have come from the Essene community, or at least had strong ties with the Essenes.

BTW, No, he was not Jesus’ blood brother through Mary.

I came across someone who believed that this James “the brother of the Lord” was actually half brother of Jesus by Joseph. What reference or where can I find the info to fefute this claim?

 

[NotWorthy]

I came across someone who believed that this James “the brother of the Lord” was actually half brother of Jesus by Joseph. What reference or where can I find the info to fefute this claim?

I don’t think:

a) you need to refute this, it’s up to him to prove it.
b) you’ll find anything to refute this.

I think the most complete information I’ve come across is on Agape’s site:

The Introduction and Lesson 2 give a bunch of background on Ya’akov, Servant of God.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

I came across someone who believed that this James “the brother of the Lord” was actually half brother of Jesus by Joseph. What reference or where can I find the info to fefute this claim?

I am not sure that it can or should be refuted. It is possible that Joseph was an older widower who married Mary to give her protection. [Note **The Cherry Tree Carol - When Joesph was an old man, an old man was he, He wed the Virgin Mary, the Queen of Galilee . . .] He could have had children by an earlier marriage. I think some in the Eastern Churches may accept this.

In the scene where they tell Jesus that His mother and brothers and sisters are outside trying to bring Him home. They would have to be older than Him. Younger siblings would not have dared question an older one. However, if they were Joseph’s older children they may have been concerned that his new wife and her Son were disgracing the family name. Just my speculation.

 

[Efrain]

I don’t think:

a) you need to refute this, it’s up to him to prove it.
b) you’ll find anything to refute this.

I think the most complete information I’ve come across is on Agape’s site:

The Introduction and Lesson 2 give a bunch of background on Ya’akov, Servant of God.

Excellent information thanks!

 

[Efrain]

I don’t think:

a) you need to refute this, it’s up to him to prove it.
b) you’ll find anything to refute this.

I think the most complete information I’ve come across is on Agape’s site:

The Introduction and Lesson 2 give a bunch of background on Ya’akov, Servant of God.

I am not sure that it can or should be refuted. It is possible that Joseph was an older widower who married Mary to give her protection. [Note **The Cherry Tree Carol

• When Joesph was an old man, an old man was he, He wed the Virgin Mary, the Queen of Galilee . . .] He could have had children by an earlier marriage. I think some in the Eastern Churches may accept this.

In the scene where they tell Jesus that His mother and brothers and sisters are outside trying to bring Him home. They would have to be older than Him. Younger siblings would not have dared question an older one. However, if they were Joseph’s older children they may have been concerned that his new wife and her Son were disgracing the family name. Just my speculation.

That is a good point I failed to see. Thanks