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God bless you, brother in Christ.
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Pjs2ejs
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Seetiger, it’s not what you believe that is the issue but what you don’t believe. You deny that Jesus’ Church is the one he started but rather some offshoot of it 1500 years later. You deny the real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. You do not honor Jesus’ mother. These are serious things.
Going to heaven isn’t about being Catholic only. It is about searching for the truth, believing the truth, and living the truth.
Going to heaven isn’t about being Catholic only. It is about searching for the truth, believing the truth, and living the truth.
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johntkd
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Actually I wasnt even referring to that part as my bible mentions adultery being committed if remarried,
I was more reffering to the part of “except it be for fornication”
Jesus gave that as a “valid” excuse for divorce, but the Church does not recognize fornication,cheating etc as a valid means to divorce.
Whom do we follow? the words of Christ or the teachings of the church.I personally go with Christ when the words are so definite that I can clearly see the intent.also my point was I know this verse 100% for sure to have been changed I am still reading to figure out how many more are this way…
But “unlawful” and “fornication” are by no means in the same catagory as each other…Just confusing for a guy converting is all,then coming on here and seeing all the posts about how the church is never wrong in her teachings or interpretations…
John
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Eden
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Jesus never gave an excuse for divorce. There is no such thing as divorce in the eyes of God. There can only be invalid marriages.
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The word sometimes translated as “adultery” in Matthew 19:9 is the Greek word “porneia”; a more accurate translation is “unchastity” or “illicit marriage” . The Lord here is not giving an exception to His forbidding divorce. He is speaking here of those who have engaged in an already illicit (both morally and legally) “marriage.” Therefore, for such couples to “divorce” is allowed since they are not actually married in the first place.
This footnote from The Navarre Bible: Matthew is of help:
[The RSVCE carries a note which reads: ‘unchasity’: The Law of Moses (Deut. 24:1), which was laid down in ancient times, had tolerated divorce due to the hardness of heart of the early Hebrews. But it had not specific clearly the grounds on which divorce might be obtained. The rabbis worked out different sorts of interpretations, depending on which school they belonged to – solutions ranging from very lax to quite rigid. In all cases, only husband could repudiate wife, not vice-versa. A woman’s inferior position was eased somewhat by the device of a written document whereby the husband freed the repudiated woman to marry again if she wished. Against these rabbinical interpretations, Jesus re-established the original indissolubility of marriage as God instituted it (Gen. 1:27; 2:24; cf. Mt. 19:4-6; Eph. 1:31; 1 Cor. 7:10)… . .The Greek word used here [“porneia”] appears to refer to marriages which were not legally marriages, because they were either within the forbidden degrees of consanguinity (Lev. 18:6-16) or contracted with a Gentile. The phrase ‘except on the ground of unchastity’ does not occur in the parallel passage in Luke 16:18. See also Matthew 19:9 (Mark 10:11-12), and especially 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, which shows that the prohibition is unconditional.] The phrase, ‘except on the ground of unchastity’, should not be taken as indicating an exception to the principle of the absolutely indissolubility of marriage which Jesus has just re-established. It is almost certain that the phrase refers to unions accepted as marriage among some pagan, but prohibited as incestuous in the Mosaic Law and in rabbinical tradition. The reference, then is to unions radically invalid because of some impediment. When persons in this position were converted to the true faith, it was not that their union could be dissolved; it was declared that they had never in fact been joined in true marriage. Therefore, this phrase does not go against the indissolubility of marriage, but rather affirms it.
On the basis of Jesus’ teaching and guided by the Holy Spirit, the Church has ruled that in the specially grave case of adultery it is permissible for a married couple to separate, but without the marriage bond being dissolved; therefore, neither party may contract a new marriage. The Navarre Bible: St. Matthew, Four Courts Press, 1988.
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johntkd
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Well thanks for that translation, sounds exactly like how the church has figured it, I still define fornication or unchastity as when you catch your wife with half the men in the county its grounds for divorce. And in Gods eyes as well.
how they get unchastity or fornication to mean that, to me is grasping at straws in a haybale.But I have a lot to learn…
Plus i do not believe its my “holy” obligation to stay with a person such as this “trying to procreate” and catch a disease in the process and also pass it on to a innocent baby,to me that could be suicide as well, plus possible murder, the list goes on and on.
Oh well
John
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this is one of those emails that circulates occasionally, thought it appropriate so sharing it here. 
God, grant me the Serenity to accept the people I cannot change, the
Courage to change the one I can, and the Wisdom to know it’s me.
The next time you feel like GOD can’t use you, just remember…
Noah was a drunk
Abraham was too old
Isaac was a daydreamer
Jacob was a liar
Leah was ugly
Joseph was abused
Moses had a stuttering problem
Gideon was afraid
Samson had long hair and was a womanizer
Rahab was a prostitute
Jeremiah and Timothy were too young
David had an affair and was a murderer
Elijah was suicidal
Isaiah preached naked
Jonah ran from God
Naomi was a widow
Job went bankrupt
John the Baptist ate bugs
Peter denied Christ
The Disciples fell asleep while praying
Martha worried about everything
The Samaritan woman was divorced, more than once
Zaccheus was too small
Paul was too religious
Timothy had an ulcer…AND
Lazarus was dead!
No more excuses now. God can use you to your full potential.
Besides you aren’t the message, you are just the messenger.
waiting to use your full potential.
May God Always Bless You and Yours!
God, grant me the Serenity to accept the people I cannot change, the
Courage to change the one I can, and the Wisdom to know it’s me.
The next time you feel like GOD can’t use you, just remember…
Noah was a drunk
Abraham was too old
Isaac was a daydreamer
Jacob was a liar
Leah was ugly
Joseph was abused
Moses had a stuttering problem
Gideon was afraid
Samson had long hair and was a womanizer
Rahab was a prostitute
Jeremiah and Timothy were too young
David had an affair and was a murderer
Elijah was suicidal
Isaiah preached naked
Jonah ran from God
Naomi was a widow
Job went bankrupt
John the Baptist ate bugs
Peter denied Christ
The Disciples fell asleep while praying
Martha worried about everything
The Samaritan woman was divorced, more than once
Zaccheus was too small
Paul was too religious
Timothy had an ulcer…AND
Lazarus was dead!
No more excuses now. God can use you to your full potential.
Besides you aren’t the message, you are just the messenger.
- God wants spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.
- Dear God, I have a problem, it’s me.
- Growing old is inevitable . growing UP is optional.
- There is no key to happiness. The door is always open.
- Silence is often misinterpreted but never misquoted.
- Do the math. count your blessings.
- Faith is the ability to not panic.
- Laugh every day, it’s like inner jogging.
- If you worry, you didn’t pray. If you pray, don’t worry.
- As a child of God, prayer is kind of like calling home everyday.
- Blessed are the flexible for they shall not be bent out of shape.
- The most important things in your house are the people.
- When we get tangled up in our problems, be still.
God wants ! us to be still so He can untangle the knot. - A grudge is a heavy thing to carry.
- He who dies with the most toys is still dead.
waiting to use your full potential.
May God Always Bless You and Yours!
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Lance
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The Catholic Church does not believe or teach that other Christians are going to Hell. We believe and are taught that people of any faith can be saved. We don’t know exactly how people of other faiths are saved but nothing is impossible with God. You don’t have to eat steak and lobster to survive but if they are available why not eat them? That is how I look at the Catholic Church.
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