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RCCDefender
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Agreed!!Only the Catholic Church fits the description
- The Church is Hierarchical.
- The Church is always visible.
And well I wouldnt use RCC since we still have Eastern Brethren.
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Mickey
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As a Byzantine Catholic, I thank you kindly.Only the Catholic Church fits the description
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Atreyu
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Actually, I think youāre right on. Every Christian is joined in a mysterious and sometimes imperfect way to the Catholic Church.
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mystified
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On the subject of āoutside the churchā, I would not rule out Godās mercy for all his creatures. Who are we to limit the possibility of His grace providing for salvation of some outside His Church?
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Mannyfit75
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The title of the thread is misleading, the Only True Church is the Catholic Church.
All other āChristian Churchesā contain part of the Truth. The Catholic Church holds the fullness of the Truth.
Church and Christian History shows that Catholicism started in Jerusalem on Penecost.
Protestant Churches lack the real presence and there is no God in their churchesā¦ No physical presence.
The Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church has Jesus, who is present in the Holy Eucharist.
All other āChristian Churchesā contain part of the Truth. The Catholic Church holds the fullness of the Truth.
Church and Christian History shows that Catholicism started in Jerusalem on Penecost.
Protestant Churches lack the real presence and there is no God in their churchesā¦ No physical presence.
The Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church has Jesus, who is present in the Holy Eucharist.
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Corleone
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disagree in almost everywayā¦ first off your making a big leap by saying these things about ALL denominations ā¦ and peter didnt start what is now called the Roman catholic church, the ROMANS didā¦ the name was taken and then used by the Romans.
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Mannyfit75
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Nope, your statement is incorrect. It is historically inaccurate for you make a claim.
Catholic Church is founded in Apostolic Tradition dating to Peter and the other 11 Apostles.
scripturecatholic.com/apostolic_succession.html -Apostolic Sucession
scripturecatholic.com/primacy_of_peter.html Primacy of Pope
The Christian Church was presecuted by the Roman Emperors started with Nero.
I also find your claim redicules since there are Eastern Rite Catholics not just Roman Rite. So Roman is just a rite like Latin Rite.
Lastly, St. Ignatius the Apostle of St. John, and St. Peter, wrote. āWhere there is Jesus Christ, there is the Catholic Church.ā This was written in 110 A.D.
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jmcrae
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Thatās correct, up to this point ā¦
Thatās incorrect. In the first place, the Romans were pagans, and they outlawed Christianity, because Christians were not allowed to worship Caesar as a god.
The Catholic Church was Jewish, originally - Jesus and the Apostles, etc. were Jewish.
The Scriptures record how Jesus established the Church, in Matthew 16:18. At this time, He also gave Simon a new name, which was āPeterā (a rock) - in the original language, the word was ākephasā - something like a mountain or a huge cliff.
It is also recorded how He appointed Simon Peter to be the chief shepherd of His Church, in John 21:15-19.
At first, the Church was a sect of Judaism, but the Scriptures record how Jesus made it Catholic (inclusive of all nations, both Jews and Gentiles) in Matthew 28:16-20. āGo therefore and make disciples of all nations, [here He makes the Church to be Catholic] baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [here He institutes the Sacrament of Baptism, which is the entry into the Church; in John 3:5 He tells us that no one can enter the Kingdom without being born *of water and the spirit, which is Christian Baptism] teaching them [here He establishes the Magesterium] to observe all that I have commanded you.ā [here He establishes Holy Tradition.]
The name āRoman Catholicā originally came from Protestants who wanted to make a distinction between their Anglo āCatholicā (English, government operated) church, and that world-wide Church that had its beginnings with Christ, which just so happened to have its headquarters in Rome (hence, āRomanā).
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ALLFORHIM
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Hi,
I just thought I would answer someoneās question further up the thread.
When Alfie says One True Church-- I THINK(I cannot totally speak for her) she means the body of believers-- meaning anyone who has accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior and committed their life to Christ. I could be wrong but because you said she was evangelical I thought that is probably what she means.
ANDāEvangelical simply means to spread the GOOD NEWSāmeaning the Gospel about Jesus Christ. Evangelical is really not a denomination it just means that a church that says they are goes into their communities and preaches the gospel to whoever will listen or not. I know many catholics that are evangelicals. Nothing bad or complicated about it.
Thanks and God Bless
I just thought I would answer someoneās question further up the thread.
When Alfie says One True Church-- I THINK(I cannot totally speak for her) she means the body of believers-- meaning anyone who has accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior and committed their life to Christ. I could be wrong but because you said she was evangelical I thought that is probably what she means.
ANDāEvangelical simply means to spread the GOOD NEWSāmeaning the Gospel about Jesus Christ. Evangelical is really not a denomination it just means that a church that says they are goes into their communities and preaches the gospel to whoever will listen or not. I know many catholics that are evangelicals. Nothing bad or complicated about it.
Thanks and God Bless
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RCCDefender
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Exactly. The term āRoman Catholicā was unknown before the Protestant Reformation. Protestants called Catholics āRomanā Catholic as a derogatory term. Well, it actually backfired because Latin Rite Catholics have embraced that term.
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Sir_Knight
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Matt 18:17; 1 Tim. 1:20; Gal 1:8; and 1 Cor. 5:3-5; 16:22 would seem to indicate that church leaders DO HAVE the authority to excommunicate, or ādeliver to satanā.
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milimac
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Yes, I think thatās pretty close to Church teaching. Godās grace certainly exists outside the formal boundaries of the Church (otherwise how could non-Catholics ever become Catholic or have a sincere relationship with Christ?), and elements of truth also exist outside these visible boundaries to the extent that others hold to those divinely revealed truths that are revealed through Christās Church.
As an example, we Catholics do not rebaptize those who have received that sacrament in some non-Catholic denominations, because we accept their sacrament as being valid. Couldnāt this only mean that they became part of Christās True Church, the Catholic Church, at that baptism even though they may not have realized it and would deny it? In a sense, arenāt they Catholics who are not in communion with the Catholic Church, similar to those Catholics who have been excommunicated, or those of us Catholics who have mortal sins on our soul?
On the flip side of the question, is it possible that some of us Catholics are not really in the Catholic Church? Or what does it mean exactly for us to ābe in the Catholic Churchā? Is it possible for one who claims to be a Protestant to actually be more in the Catholic Church than one who claims to be Catholic?
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Vigis
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The Roman Catholic Church is the true church. Study Catholicism more and you will find this out just as I have. Much of what you say comes from your misunderstandings of Catholicism. God speed.
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valient_Lucy
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Where to begin?
Well, letās begin with the first one, water vs. Spirit baptism. The apostles certainly didnāt see too much of a distinction. Read the book of Acts and see the importance that they placed on āmereā water baptism. After Paul received his sight, he was baptised. Then he ate, and he had not eaten in days. Think about that. He was baptized before he ate. Thatās important! I wonder how many Protestant Christians who believe in ābelieverās baptismā were so quick to be baptized. Even a non-denominational pastor said, āIf you think you can be a Christian without being baptized (with water) read your Bible.ā
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JimmyV
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No comment.
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Genesis315
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True Church
Membership by Spirit baptism.
Unscriptural
ļ There is no salvation outside this church.
Agreedāif weāre talking about the actual true Church of course.
ļ Members enter by God?s will upon believing His Gospel.
Partly, and being baptized and not resisting with free will.
ļ Members are secure in Christ, can never be excommunicated.
Total unscripturalāSt. Paul specifically writes about excommunication, plus there are tons of examples of being cut off.
ļ One authority?the infallible Word of God.
Agreedāas proclaimed by the Church and not limited to the written variety
ļ One Head and One Mediator.
Agreed, Jesus Christ
ļ Foundation is Jesus and the Apostles.
Again, agreed, especially the chief Apostle Peter.
ļ Proclaims the true Gospel.
Yep, the true Church does do this.
ļ Justified by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
Agreed, but faith without works is dead.
ļ Promise of future glory with Jesus Christ
Agreedāif we are judged so by God; so personally we hope in the promises of Christ
Roman Catholic Church
Membership by water baptism.
Agreed (or the explicit or implict desire for it)
There is salvation outside this church.
Nope thereās notāsee previous question.
Members enter by man?s will or by parents? desire.
Partly true, we do believe in free willābut Godās grace is necessary
Members are not secure, can be excommunicated and condemned to hell.
Thatās what the Bible says.
Three authorities?the Bible, Tradition and the infallible Magesterium.
No, the only authority is Godās revelationābut it must be proclaimed by someone.
Two Heads, many mediators.
Wrong, Catholics donāt believe this. Christ is the head of the Church. The Pope is the head of the Church millitant (just as a pastor is the head of his congregation). There is one Mediator, Jesus Christ. However, we all participate in his mediation when we pray for others and deny ourselves through personal sacrifice. Priests are mediators and all believers participate in the threefold ministry of ChristāPriest, prophet and king.
Foundation is Peter.
This is totally Scripturalābut Christ is the ultimate foundation as well as the Apostles.
Proclaims another gospel.
If by āanother Gospelā you mean āoriginal and true Gospelā than I agree.
Justified by faith plus works.
Scripture specifically says we are not justified by faith alone, so there has to be something else there too.
Promise of a purging or punishing fire for sins
Only if you need it before entering the glory of God!
Membership by Spirit baptism.
Unscriptural
ļ There is no salvation outside this church.
Agreedāif weāre talking about the actual true Church of course.
ļ Members enter by God?s will upon believing His Gospel.
Partly, and being baptized and not resisting with free will.
ļ Members are secure in Christ, can never be excommunicated.
Total unscripturalāSt. Paul specifically writes about excommunication, plus there are tons of examples of being cut off.
ļ One authority?the infallible Word of God.
Agreedāas proclaimed by the Church and not limited to the written variety
ļ One Head and One Mediator.
Agreed, Jesus Christ
ļ Foundation is Jesus and the Apostles.
Again, agreed, especially the chief Apostle Peter.
ļ Proclaims the true Gospel.
Yep, the true Church does do this.
ļ Justified by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
Agreed, but faith without works is dead.
ļ Promise of future glory with Jesus Christ
Agreedāif we are judged so by God; so personally we hope in the promises of Christ
Roman Catholic Church
Membership by water baptism.
Agreed (or the explicit or implict desire for it)
There is salvation outside this church.
Nope thereās notāsee previous question.
Members enter by man?s will or by parents? desire.
Partly true, we do believe in free willābut Godās grace is necessary
Members are not secure, can be excommunicated and condemned to hell.
Thatās what the Bible says.
Three authorities?the Bible, Tradition and the infallible Magesterium.
No, the only authority is Godās revelationābut it must be proclaimed by someone.
Two Heads, many mediators.
Wrong, Catholics donāt believe this. Christ is the head of the Church. The Pope is the head of the Church millitant (just as a pastor is the head of his congregation). There is one Mediator, Jesus Christ. However, we all participate in his mediation when we pray for others and deny ourselves through personal sacrifice. Priests are mediators and all believers participate in the threefold ministry of ChristāPriest, prophet and king.
Foundation is Peter.
This is totally Scripturalābut Christ is the ultimate foundation as well as the Apostles.
Proclaims another gospel.
If by āanother Gospelā you mean āoriginal and true Gospelā than I agree.
Justified by faith plus works.
Scripture specifically says we are not justified by faith alone, so there has to be something else there too.
Promise of a purging or punishing fire for sins
Only if you need it before entering the glory of God!
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Mannyfit75
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Good answerTrue Church
Membership by Spirit baptism.
Unscriptural
ļ There is no salvation outside this church.
Agreedāif weāre talking about the actual true Church of course.
ļ Members enter by God?s will upon believing His Gospel.
Partly, and being baptized and not resisting with free will.
ļ Members are secure in Christ, can never be excommunicated.
Total unscripturalāSt. Paul specifically writes about excommunication, plus there are tons of examples of being cut off.
ļ One authority?the infallible Word of God.
Agreedāas proclaimed by the Church and not limited to the written variety
ļ One Head and One Mediator.
Agreed, Jesus Christ
ļ Foundation is Jesus and the Apostles.
Again, agreed, especially the chief Apostle Peter.
ļ Proclaims the true Gospel.
Yep, the true Church does do this.
ļ Justified by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
Agreed, but faith without works is dead.
ļ Promise of future glory with Jesus Christ
Agreedāif we are judged so by God; so personally we hope in the promises of Christ
Roman Catholic Church
Membership by water baptism.
Agreed (or the explicit or implict desire for it)
There is salvation outside this church.
Nope thereās notāsee previous question.
Members enter by man?s will or by parents? desire.
Partly true, we do believe in free willābut Godās grace is necessary
Members are not secure, can be excommunicated and condemned to hell.
Thatās what the Bible says.
Three authorities?the Bible, Tradition and the infallible Magesterium.
No, the only authority is Godās revelationābut it must be proclaimed by someone.
Two Heads, many mediators.
Wrong, Catholics donāt believe this. Christ is the head of the Church. The Pope is the head of the Church millitant (just as a pastor is the head of his congregation). There is one Mediator, Jesus Christ. However, we all participate in his mediation when we pray for others and deny ourselves through personal sacrifice. Priests are mediators and all believers participate in the threefold ministry of ChristāPriest, prophet and king.
Foundation is Peter.
This is totally Scripturalābut Christ is the ultimate foundation as well as the Apostles.
Proclaims another gospel.
If by āanother Gospelā you mean āoriginal and true Gospelā than I agree.
Justified by faith plus works.
Scripture specifically says we are not justified by faith alone, so there has to be something else there too.
Promise of a purging or punishing fire for sins
Only if you need it before entering the glory of God!
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O.S.Luke
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That is offensive.
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corvidae
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It is not meant to be offensive os luke
Catholics believe that we have the physical presence of God
Body, Blood, Sould and Divinity in the form of the Eucharist
We also believe that no one without a valid priesthood(ie Orthodox) has it.
He is not saying you are Godless, he is saying you do not have the physical presence of God in the Eucharist.
A Lone Raven
Catholics believe that we have the physical presence of God
Body, Blood, Sould and Divinity in the form of the Eucharist
We also believe that no one without a valid priesthood(ie Orthodox) has it.
He is not saying you are Godless, he is saying you do not have the physical presence of God in the Eucharist.
A Lone Raven
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ALLFORHIM
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Hi,
I agree
Isnt God everywhere? God is especially with all believers in their churches on sunday. Actually Jesus is with me every day all day long. Thank you Jesus:bowdown2:As far as the Eucharist that is fine that you believe that and I know people say how much more personal can you get. Well I say much more personal.If you can trust Jesus to walk with you through everything and totally depend on Him, I would say that is pretty personal. If you are just receiving the Eucharist every sunday but dont trust Jesus the rest of the week then what good is it? Sorry for my rant
AFH
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