True Presence on the Purificator?

[Tintin]

Is the stain left on the purificator after communion the blood of Christ?
I mean obviously the mark was made by the blood of Christ, but is the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ present under the appearance of a wine stain or only under the appearance wine as a liquid?

 

[Joe_Kelley]

It is my recollection that as long as the species retain the appearance of bread or wine they remain the Body and Blood of Christ. So I would say yes the stain is the True Presence and must be treated accordingly. That is why there are special washing procedures for the Purificators.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

shayward:

Is the stain left on the purificator after communion the blood of Christ?
I mean obviously the mark was made by the blood of Christ, but is the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ present under the appearance of a wine stain or only under the appearance wine as a liquid?

Straight answer. Yes.

We would dip that part of the purificator into a chalice full of water. Rinse the Purificator in the Sacrarium and hang to dry. (someone would then take them home and wash and iron them.) The Chalice of water would be consumed.

 

[Paul_W]

A drop of liquid still has the appearance of wine, and is therefore the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ.

A wine stain is . . . a wine stain.

 

[Huiou_Theou]

Somehow, Jeus takes on the bread and wine, through the power of the holy spirit and “changes the substance” into his body and blood, soul and divinity.
When we receive Jesus sacramentally, the signs of bread and wine is the visible connection we have with him. As it were, he is joined to the sign of bread and wine, which is something we can touch, eat, etc.
When the sign is destroyed or altered, the connection to Jesus (with that sign) is broken. He is no longer there.
When the purificator became stained, Jesus at some point, ceased to be there. What is on the purificator is dried wine, because the drying process caused a change in the sign, which leads to Jesus no longer being there.
I suppose one might say, the wine was un-transubstantiated.
( But it is still holy! ).

Hope that helps.

 

[deaconswife]

I have done the altar linens for our church and for our college Catholic ministry. The instruction that I received when I first started doing this was that any stained linens were to be soaked in water prior to laundering the disolve the stains and then this water was to be poured either down a sacrarium or directly into the ground. Hope this helps.

 

[BonnieBj]

Now I’m really confused. Some people’s answers say a wine stain on a purificator is the True Presence and others say it’s not. We’ve got to have a definitive, authoritative, official doctrinal answer on this. It can’t be both ways. Someone, please.

 

[Annunciata]

deaconswife:

I have done the altar linens for our church and for our college Catholic ministry. The instruction that I received when I first started doing this was that any stained linens were to be soaked in water prior to laundering the disolve the stains and then this water was to be poured either down a sacrarium or directly into the ground. Hope this helps.

I was on the Altar Guild and used to help w/ the altar linens too and that is exactly what I was instructed to do. Annunciata
(Ironing them was harder… trying fold the purificators just right to get the cross in the center…)