True Sabbath Day

[SDA2RC]

twagler:

What does the author of Hebrews 4 mean then, when he talks about a need to “enter into rest?”

Exactly what I have been talking about… Christians NEED to enter into his spiritual rest… accept what he has done. THERE IS STILL A REST!!! Only it is not weekly, it is eternal. It is not a requirement… it is a gift! Rest is not a law now… its a act of mercy by God!!!

Hebrews 4:1 says: Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.

What is HIS REST? HIS rest is just that… he has completed his work, he said “It is finished!!” he has completed his sacrificial work to save humanity… now we need simply to claim that promise, follow his willand we will be able to cease our work too, because we will be receiving his Grace!! His Grace pours to us through his Church. This is why he founded it… well one of the reasons… It is his human conduit of Grace!!!

vs.3a For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said!

Notice… it does not say… for we who have kept the law enter this rest… it is those who believe!!

Finally, Vs. 10 tells us what it means to enter his rest… “10For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.”

Grace is a gift of God, given through the Church, through the sacraments… you do not need to earn it, you get it free! This is a new rest that was not available to the Jews… they HAD to keep the Sabbath… for it was their school master, their glimpse of the final rest… We do not need that any longer, the real deal is here, we do not need a weekly rest, we need an eternal spiritual rest!

I know when I was a sabbatarian, the Sabbath was a burden… I always said it wasnt of course… I always said it was a blessing… but in my heart it was something I had a love/hate relationship with. I was always worried about making sure it was restful… that in itsself can be tiring. I would read verses in the Bible where God commanded that even fires should not be lit on the Sabbath… and I would wonder if I was really keeping it according to God’s word… after all I used a gas furnace to heat my house. God gave so many commands for the Sabbath that Sabbatarians now ignore… that in all reality they do not even come close to keeping the Sabbath as God commanded.

The sabbath was hard for me to let go of too… it ws ingrained in my from when I was a child. But when I realized that the Bible said that my relationship to God, that my salvation, that my working to make the sabbath restful had NOTHING to do with my relationship to him… WOW… talk about peace! I do not know if I will ever be able to explain it… but I knew I had really entered into God’s rest… I let go and let God lead my be his spirit rather than the Jewish Law!!!

I hope this makes some sense…

Brandon

 

[Ann_Cheryl]

twagler:

Ann–My “still avoiding” is [doing] what?

They bought the spices after the sabbath and prepared them before the sabbath? How is that?

You keep bringing or repeating points without answering some of the hard questions.

Where do you get that they brought the spices after the sabbath and prepared them before the sabbath?
The following is from Matthew. How can you explain the earthquake and the stone being rolled back. It clearly states that this is the first day of the week. You really have to do some twisting to interput this with your preconceived notions. I
After the sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, 2 Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

2 3 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, approached, rolled back the stone, and sat upon it.

 

[Church_Militant]

twagler:

Here are 5 documents.
www.biblelight.net/sweet_christonearth.htm

The CC compiled the OT?

Dbrandt–what does John 19:14 mean? Was Passover on a Saturday?

I just checked the documents that your guy cites on the vatican website and guess what? That title is nowhere used in them.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

 

[twagler]

Okay,

I checked sources 1-4, I was forbidden to read number 5. But just as the man says, that reference is in the first four documents. Did I ever say it was a title? Used by the Pope to refer to himself? If I gave you that impression, I am sorry. It was not my intent.

 

[twagler]

I realize now that I have been about as bad as a Pharissee in my meticulous counting of days, hours, minutes… I never really intended for it to go this far, and I am sorry if I have been harsh or if I have offended anyone. Needless to say, I will re-examine my thoughts on this subject. (The idea of a seventh day sabbath is quite new to me). I look forward to discussing other issues with you all.

Best,
Trav

 

[jimmy]

twagler:

I realize now that I have been about as bad as a Pharissee in my meticulous counting of days, hours, minutes… I never really intended for it to go this far, and I am sorry if I have been harsh or if I have offended anyone. Needless to say, I will re-examine my thoughts on this subject. (The idea of a seventh day sabbath is quite new to me). I look forward to discussing other issues with you all.

Best,
Trav

I don’t think you offended anyone, atleast not me. I also look forward to discussing all issues with you.

 

[SDA2RC]

jimmy:

I don’t think you offended anyone, atleast not me. I also look forward to discussing all issues with you.

I agree with Jimmy!!

We are happy your here asking the questions and you seem to be open to looking into everything… that is refreshing!

Brandon

 

[Ann_Cheryl]

twagler:

I realize now that I have been about as bad as a Pharissee in my meticulous counting of days, hours, minutes… I never really intended for it to go this far, and I am sorry if I have been harsh or if I have offended anyone. Needless to say, I will re-examine my thoughts on this subject. (The idea of a seventh day sabbath is quite new to me). I look forward to discussing other issues with you all.

Best,
Trav

No offence taken and hopefully none given.