I advise you to be careful about exploring the Christian blogosphere.Hi, so I was reading some blogs and such, and I came across evangelicals talking about said topic. It was rather stereotypical and my church hardly talks about stuff like this, so i feel a little lost.
I was just wondering what Catholics believe in this?
I second the above response. Read the scriptures, not blogs. Especially Galatians 3:28.Hi, so I was reading some blogs and such, and I came across evangelicals talking about said topic. It was rather stereotypical and my church hardly talks about stuff like this, so i feel a little lost.
I was just wondering what Catholics believe in this?
Excellent reply. Do this^^^I advise you to be careful about exploring the Christian blogosphere.
All kinds of wacky ideas out there.
If you can get a spiritual director please do so. Spiritual directors can educate you on Catholic teaching and help you build your ability to discern.
Lacking that, keep your eye out for someone who can mentor you. Another way is to take advantage of classes in your parish. If you cannot attend classes, you can read books. I recommend the Ignatius press.
You can start by reading Pope John Paul II Mulieris Dignitatem.
Live as sinless a life as possible, then be yourself. That way, you will be the man / woman God wants you to be.Hi, so I was reading some blogs and such, and I came across evangelicals talking about said topic. It was rather stereotypical and my church hardly talks about stuff like this, so i feel a little lost.
I was just wondering what Catholics believe in this?
St. Joan lead an army, the Ven. Pierre Toussaint did women’s hair for a living, and Sts. Bridget of Sweden and Catherine of Sienna exhorted the Pope to return to Rome.In brief, Catholics believe men and women differ in some aspects but have equal dignity before God. The differences aren’t so stereotypical as saying sewing is a woman’s chore and repairing appliances is a man’s chore. Differences like that are more cultural and can evolve over time. Furthermore, it’s not a woman’s life purpose to find a man and marry him. That’s not to say Catholic culture has always been perfect in this regard, but from a doctrinal basis, marriage is just one vocation for a man or woman to pursue. The single life, even consecrated single life, is valid for both men and women. And the Church has also celebrated many women throughout its history as saints.
That probably doesn’t answer everything, but I know women who have come from Protestant backgrounds who were basically raised being told it’s their duty to marry a man and be meek and submissive in everything and the best thing they could hope for was to be a preacher’s wife. Whatever can be said of men and women in Catholicism, that is not a woman’s “duty” here.
Women. Not just Protestants, but all women, have been gradually misled and confused by groups of women, starting in the 1970s with the “Women’s Liberation Movement” about the proper roles of men and women. This brainwashing has found its most lethal effects in the structure of the family.In brief, Catholics believe men and women differ in some aspects but have equal dignity before God. The differences aren’t so stereotypical as saying sewing is a woman’s chore and repairing appliances is a man’s chore. Differences like that are more cultural and can evolve over time. Furthermore, it’s not a woman’s life purpose to find a man and marry him. That’s not to say Catholic culture has always been perfect in this regard, but from a doctrinal basis, marriage is just one vocation for a man or woman to pursue. The single life, even consecrated single life, is valid for both men and women. And the Church has also celebrated many women throughout its history as saints.
That probably doesn’t answer everything, but I know women who have come from Protestant backgrounds who were basically raised being told it’s their duty to marry a man and be meek and submissive in everything and the best thing they could hope for was to be a preacher’s wife. Whatever can be said of men and women in Catholicism, that is not a woman’s “duty” here.
I completely agree and I’m afraid that the influence of feminism is such that the Church is afraid to preach a more traditionalist view of the distinct but complimentary roles of men and women.Women. Not just Protestants, but all women, have been gradually misled and confused by groups of women, starting in the 1970s with the “Women’s Liberation Movement” about the proper roles of men and women. This brainwashing has found its most lethal effects in the structure of the family.
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It does but the daily news dismisses or ignores it. We, the laity, must help to spread the Church’s message. I doubt the Vatican is overly concerned about this life which passes like a vapor, while we are constantly told that Friday, not Sunday, is the day to look forward to.I completely agree and I’m afraid that the influence of feminism is such that the Church is afraid to preach a more traditionalist view of the distinct but complimentary roles of men and women.
The Catechism is full of examples. Young women and men were once taught how to behave in general and with each other. I was there when the US was more Christian, so I had no trouble finding a young lady and knew by her behavior that we were both on the same page. The SAME page. Then the radicals appeared and said: Deny what you’ve been taught. It’s wrong. We will replace it with something totally wrong while telling you it is right.Manhood or womanhood applies to all areas of life not just in marriage.
Of course the complementary natures of men and woman are evident in marriage. But manhood and womanhood does not begin in marriage.
I so often notice that when trying to explain the complementary natures of men and women, it is always limited to marriage.
While it is true that it takes a woman to be a wife it does not necessarily follow that in order to be a woman one must be a wife. I often notice Evangelicals following this fallacy, especially the patriarchal complentarians. They are one of the most vocal ones in the Christian blogosphere.
Now since the complementary natures of man and woman are already discussed within the context of marriage, how does biblical man and womanhood look like for singles?
Is it “constant propaganda” or more not getting good examples or teaching?The Catechism is full of examples. Young women and men were once taught how to behave in general and with each other. I was there when the US was more Christian, so I had no trouble finding a young lady and knew by her behavior that we were both on the same page. The SAME page. Then the radicals appeared and said: Deny what you’ve been taught. It’s wrong. We will replace it with something totally wrong while telling you it is right.
Do young singles today know how to date? Do they care? What do they believe?
Do young singles today understand how to form relationships between each other? At all?
Do young singles today understand courtship? Going steady?
I submit that thanks to constant propaganda, the answer is no. For too many.
Ed
“I often notice Evangelicals following this fallacy, especially the patriarchal complentarians.” I have never heard of such a thing. It sounds weird. Mind explaining?
The assumption that if one is not married, one cannot be a true man or true woman.The Catechism is full of examples. Young women and men were once taught how to behave in general and with each other. I was there when the US was more Christian, so I had no trouble finding a young lady and knew by her behavior that we were both on the same page. The SAME page. Then the radicals appeared and said: Deny what you’ve been taught. It’s wrong. We will replace it with something totally wrong while telling you it is right.
Do young singles today know how to date? Do they care? What do they believe?
Do young singles today understand how to form relationships between each other? At all?
Do young singles today understand courtship? Going steady?
I submit that thanks to constant propaganda, the answer is no. For too many.
Ed
“I often notice Evangelicals following this fallacy, especially the patriarchal complentarians.” I have never heard of such a thing. It sounds weird. Mind explaining?
How is this behavior supposed to look like?The Catechism is full of examples. Young women and men were once taught how to behave in general and with each other. I was there when the US was more Christian, so I had no trouble finding a young lady and knew by her behavior that we were both on the same page. The SAME page. Then the radicals appeared and said: Deny what you’ve been taught. It’s wrong. We will replace it with something totally wrong while telling you it is right.
Do young singles today know how to date? Do they care? What do they believe?
Do young singles today understand how to form relationships between each other? At all?
Do young singles today understand courtship? Going steady?
I submit that thanks to constant propaganda, the answer is no. For too many.
Ed
“I often notice Evangelicals following this fallacy, especially the patriarchal complentarians.” I have never heard of such a thing. It sounds weird. Mind explaining?
It’s mostly constant propaganda. The first generation that drank the kool-aid passed it on their kids. The destruction of the family took 40 years to get to this point. One hour in Church on Sunday is not enough for most people to not get the “just have lots of sex - relationships don’t matter” message. Turn on the TV, go to the movies. Read the newspaper. It’s there 24/7. Your parents are stupid anyway. I actually heard “When I turn 18, I don’t gotta listen to you anymore.” And his parents made sure he got a Catholic education and the knowledge he needed. His “buddies” were his role models. The world was his place of worship. I lived through it.Is it “constant propaganda” or more not getting good examples or teaching?
I don’t think that’s an assumption that is consciously made. My idea of true manhood is inspired by my step-father. I think people often think of manhood and womanhood in terms of marriage because that’s when it becomes a very clear and tangible thing. Fatherhood is manly, etc. Obviously there are priests and religious who are extremely masculine or feminine, but the fact is that most people associate it with marriage because thats what most people have experience of.The assumption that if one is not married, one cannot be a true man or true woman.
The all too common assumption that marriage is required for all.
I think what Sarcelle said is very fair of at least a big chunk of the conservative Protestant world in the US.I don’t think that’s an assumption that is consciously made. My idea of true manhood is inspired by my step-father. I think people often think of manhood and womanhood in terms of marriage because that’s when it becomes a very clear and tangible thing. Fatherhood is manly, etc. Obviously there are priests and religious who are extremely masculine or feminine, but the fact is that most people associate it with marriage because thats what most people have experience of.
IMO, I just think true manhood or womanhood is just being the man or woman that God has called you to be, accepting your ‘God given’ role as such and living this out to the best of your ability.