Trump & the Seven Deadly Sins

[Metis1]

I posted this 5 minute video on another thread but will repost it on this one since it is appropriate to the topic. It’s from conservative Ben Shapiro and his evaluation of Trump back in 2016:

Please watch first if one intends to comment on this.

 

[Metis1]

If you wish to start a similar thread about another politician, be my guest. Also, let me just mention that two wrongs don’t make a right. To excuse what Trump has all too often said and done is just an excuse to avoid dealing with his many antics and just excuse them away.

 

[JanetF]

If you wish to start a similar thread about another politician, be my guest.

I have absolutely no desire to do that, but thanks for giving your permission. Who is excusing anything that has been said/done?

 

[Metis1]

Who is excusing anything that has been said/done?

Quite a few people here at CAF.

Also, just a reminder that Jesus said that we shall know them by their fruits, so he obviously taught that we do need to take people’s actions and words into account.

 

[kill051]

To be fair, John the Baptist chastized Herod for divorcing his wife and marrying another. He lost his head over that one. I guess according to some here he was too obsessed with Herod’s sex life.

Ah, but John the Baptist was a prophet of God, as well as being first cousin to our Lord. He is a special case. If anyone had a right to call out others on their sins, it was he. We groundlings, on the other hand, are better off keeping our mouths shut, for the sake of our immortal souls.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

What I would like to do here is to take a look at Donald Trump’s words and actions and see how they match up with what the Church has long recognized as the “Seven Deadly Sins”.

I’m sorry, but everything about this seems wrong. Seems like an invitation to bash the President. Very un-Christian. No, thank you.

(P.S. I did not vote for him and I still think this is in serious poor taste…)

 

[Metis1]

There’s a difference between “evaluating” and “judging” [one’s final outcome] in the context of Christianity, and we are told that we do need to correct our fellow followers of Jesus if they are guilty of immoral conduct.

And there often is an element of hypocrisy with some in that they chafe if the politician they support is singled out and yet they think nothing of attacking some other politician who they don’t like. For example , if I said “Lock him up!”, much like Trump said “Lock her up!”, some people here would be all over me, and rightfully so.

 

[stinkcat_14]

h, but John the Baptist was a prophet of God, as well as being first cousin to our Lord. He is a special case. If anyone had a right to call out others on their sins, it was he. We groundlings, on the other hand, are better off keeping our mouths shut, for the sake of our immortal souls.

So, if a politician supports laws that make abortion legal, we need to keep our mouth shut and not admonish them on the immoral nature of their support for abortion?

 

[Metis1]

Seems like an invitation to bash the President. Very un-Christian.

So calling it out when someone acts immorally is “un-Christian”? Maybe tell that to God and Jesus and the prophets, ok?

I do not hate Trump, but I strongly dislike so many of his actions that simply violate Catholic social teachings. So why is that you don’t dislike those moral violations?

 

[Metis1]

Be my guest.

 

[TheLittleLady]

As in, how many of these have been represented in speeches or tweets?

 

[mrsdizzyd]

So calling it out when someone acts immorally is “un-Christian”? Maybe tell that to God and Jesus and the prophets, ok?

You making a personal decision to point out something you see is different from inviting everyone around you to pick up a stone and cast it…

 

[JanetF]

Also, just a reminder that Jesus said that we shall know them by their fruits, so he obviously taught that we do need to take people’s actions and words into accoun

No need to remind me. I just wonder what the point is of this original question? If you don’t like his words/actions, then don’t vote for him in 2020.

 

[Metis1]

If you check back to the OP, I asked people reading the post for their opinions on Trump vis-a-vis the SDS-- nothing more, nothing less. If you choose to ignore doing as such, as you clearly did, then don’t blame me.

 

[Metis1]

No need to remind me. I just wonder what the point is of this original question? If you don’t like his words/actions, then don’t vote for him in 2020.

You and everyone else here had the opportunity to deal with the SDS vis-a-vis Trump, so why didn’t you do it? Just your opinions is all that was asked for, and you’ve given your opinion of a couple of my latter posts, so what’s the hang-up?

 

[JanetF]

Because I don’t see what the point would be and I have no desire to get into POTUS bashing.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

Alternatively, you might reflect on what your OP is in aid of and whether or not that end serves to build up the body of Christ or tear it down…

 

[kill051]

kill051:

h, but John the Baptist was a prophet of God, as well as being first cousin to our Lord. He is a special case. If anyone had a right to call out others on their sins, it was he. We groundlings, on the other hand, are better off keeping our mouths shut, for the sake of our immortal souls.

So, if a politician supports laws that make abortion legal, we need to keep our mouth shut and not admonish them on the immoral nature of their support for abortion?

I am sorry to have to inform you of this, but abortion already is legal. It is a fait accompli. The damage has been done.

In the case of a politician supporting immoral positions, there are a few options from which to choose:

1. Voting him out of office.
2. Impeachment.
3. Censure by his colleagues.

I find that the exhortation to admonish the sinner is nearly always taken by my fellow Catholics to mean other sinners, rather than the one who looks back at them from the mirror.

‘Hypocrite! Take the log out of your own eye first, and then you will see clearly enough to take the splinter out of your brother’s eye.’
(Matthew 7 : 4)

 

[stinkcat_14]

I am sorry to have to inform you of this, but abortion already is legal. It is a fait accompli. The damage has been done.

In the case of a politician supporting immoral positions, there are a few options from which to choose:

1. Voting him out of office.
2. Impeachment.
3. Censure by his colleagues.

I find that the exhortation to admonish the sinner is nearly always taken by my fellow Catholics to mean other sinners, rather than the one who looks back at them from the mirror.

‘Hypocrite! Take the log out of your own eye first, and then you will see clearly enough to take the splinter out of your brother’s eye.’
( Matthew 7 : 4)

So you are saying that the posters who criticized Hillary during the election for her support of abortion were wrong in doing so?

 

[Metis1]

Alternatively, you might reflect on what your OP is in aid of and whether or not that end serves to build up the body of Christ or tear it down…

Since the body of Christ here in the States is very much affected by what the POTUS says and does, it is crucially important that we call a spade a “spade” and not pretend that it’s only clubs.

If I act immorally, I would expect to be called out on the carpet for that. And the Church clearly has that role as well, such as what Pope Francis and the USCCB has chimed in dealing with Trump’s treatment of separating children from their families and putting them in cages. Should they have kept quiet as you’re suggesting I should? Should Jesus have kept quiet instead of attacking the Pharisees?