Trump's ignorance about DACA is stunning

[upant]

For starters, one place I draw the line is I don’t believe incarceration is warranted for parents crossing the border years ago with their children, who have made a home here and contribute to our vastly diverse country, and who may even be sitting in a church pew alongside you. I’m certainly not alone in that view. There are those in the Catholic hierarchy who agree. Peace be them and their spirit and also with you.

the state may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions. we have rules and they are supposed to be followed per the catechism. it implies a legal immigration, not an illegal one.

2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants’ duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.

 

[Theo520]

For starters, one place I draw the line is I don’t believe incarceration is warranted for parents crossing the border years ago with their children, who have made a home here and contribute to our vastly diverse country, and who may even be sitting in a church pew alongside you. I’m certainly not alone in that view. There are those in the Catholic hierarchy who agree. Peace be with them and their spirit and with the immigrant and also with you.

Right, just deporting them back to their home country is sufficient, no need for a punitive incarceration.

 

[Rhubarb]

I mean, let’s face it. Trump’s ignorance about pretty much everything is stunning.

 

[Ender]

More about the “Dreamers”…

… although DACA-age illegals compose 0.81 percent of Arizona’s population, they represent 8 percent of the prison population. This means they compose 71.2 percent of the illegal immigrant population in prison and that they are 884 percent more likely to be convicted of crimes than non-immigrants of their age. If anything, “dreamers” are actually a bigger public safety risk than older illegal immigrants.

 

[dvdjs]

although DACA-age illegals compose

Wouldn’t it be great to get solid peer-reviwed articles instead of this rubbish.

We are often told that “dreamers” are a cut above the rest of the illegal population, and President Trump, who otherwise understands the truth on the broader issue, seems to have accepted this premise. Lott’s research found that although DACA-age illegals

What is a “DACA-age illegal”? How is this group different than actual “dreamers”? How do statistics on the first groups answer the question raised about the second group?

As I read further not only are dreamers conflated with DACA-age illegals, but immigrants are not illegal differentiated illegal other undocumented persons - all appear to be assumed to be immigrants… This kind of pull the wool over your eyes scholarship is deplorable.

 

[Theo520]

More about the “Dreamers”…

… although DACA-age illegals compose 0.81 percent of Arizona’s population, they represent 8 percent of the prison population. This means they compose 71.2 percent of the illegal immigrant population in prison and that they are 884 percent more likely to be convicted of crimes than non-immigrants of their age. If anything, “dreamers” are actually a bigger public safety risk than older illegal immigrants.

Thanks for sharing, but I think they may be misrepresenting the research (I see it in the quote).

It is referring to DACA aged illegals in it’s analysis of prison population etc. It is not specific to people in the DACA program, and the two populations can have very different characteristics. I would guess that few of those DACA aged criminals are actually in the DACA program proper.

If I’m correct, it makes sense to me:

• Illegals are higher risk for criminal activity, including “Dreamer Aged” illegals
• legal immigrants, including those in DACA program, value what they have and avoid illegal activities.

So it comes back to being legal vs non-legal, not whether they intentionally entered the country or were brought by their parents.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Right, just deporting them back to their home country is sufficient, no need for a punitive incarceration.

If the parents are Mexican, they left a country in which they could make about 1/3 what they make here and in which the cost of living is about 1/3 what it is here. But our currency is more stable and tends to be more valuable, particularly when purchasing American-made goods. To get that currency advantage, they left their homes to come to ours. It’s not unreasonable to believe virtually all of their children are bilingual, Spanish being their first language.

In Lichtenstein, the average income is much greater than it is here. The cost of living is also higher. The currency is more stable. If I left the U.S. to gain the income advantage in Lichtenstein, would anyone really think Lichtenstein has no moral right to send me back to the USA? The language there is German, but my children speak English as their first language. So sending them back to the US is what kind of injustice?

 

[Theo520]

I fully agree, illegal economic migrants should be deported.
They take jobs and opportunity from our most needy.

Only a tight labor market will force employers to give more opportunities to people with a conviction on their record, etc.

Punitive incarceration would seem something to reserve for repeat offenders, illegals who have been repeatedly deported yet keep returning illegally.

 

[Sy_Noe]

dvdjs:
Wouldn’t it be great to get solid peer-reviwed articles instead of this rubbish.

This kind of pull the wool over your eyes scholarship is deplorable.
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In the it goes.

 

[Theo520]

Wouldn’t it be great to get solid peer-reviwed articles instead of this rubbish.

Yes, an honest look at the data would be appreciated. Certainly the pro-illegal research is just as bad, hiding the numbers for illegals within the total immigrant population.

 

[Ender]

Wouldn’t it be great to get solid peer-reviwed articles instead of this rubbish.

Actually I suspect the data is quite valid. What is misleading is that it applies to all illegals, and not to the subset of DACA applicants. That group does appear to have a smaller than average criminal record, so while the argument can be made that the DACA group is relatively law abiding, the same cannot be said for illegals as a whole, so if the argument is made that DACA-eligible illegals should be allowed to stay because they are lawful residents, that same claim argues against allowing other illegals to remain.

If the parents are Mexican, they left a country in which they could make about 1/3 what they make here and in which the cost of living is about 1/3 what it is here.

It turns out that about 75% of all DACA applicants are from Mexico.