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victory
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do you believe in evolution, as in all life evoloved from one cell organisms?
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trumpet152
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I’m undecided on this. I really don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Of couse if I was a scientist, I would probably care a lot more. Certainly, the majority of sceintists hold to the evelution theory, and I see no contradiction between it and the scriptures. But until some real evidence comes to light, I’m undecided. 
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Lazerlike42
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I’m undecided. As I said in the other thread, there is a lot of good evidence for it, but the evidence happens to be missing in some very key points along the way. Similarly, there is tons of good evidence to say that evolution is not true, but that evidence is not perfect either.
Though I haven’t decided, I tend to lean toward false because of the pride that a lot of evolutionists have. You’ll soon see it on this thread. A lot of them (not all of course) really look down upon anyone that has doubts about evolution and speak to them as if they’re gonna sign offline and then go start leaching out the bad humors from their body. They act like you can’t possibly be an educated person and disagree with evolution (despite the fact that there are plenty of incredibly educated and leading scientists with 10x more education then their own who question it). They can be very demeaning and they say things like the creationists are “holding on to fairytales” or “no matter much you say evolution is not true it is” or “I don’t need to look at that link you provided because it’s obviously not worthwhile.”
I’m NOT saying evolution is untrue, but for as long as I’ve been reading these forums, I tend to see creationists come around saying things like, “I am just not sure about evolution. I could be wrong but I’ve seen too muh evidence against it to believe in it for now,” and then some evolutionist replies with some mean spirited comment about the person’s intelligence. I know that we can’t judge an idea based on the behavior of the person who supports it, but it does make me question if evolution is really one of God’s great works when so many of its supporters are filled with pride and contempt.
That’s my take.
Undecided.
Though I haven’t decided, I tend to lean toward false because of the pride that a lot of evolutionists have. You’ll soon see it on this thread. A lot of them (not all of course) really look down upon anyone that has doubts about evolution and speak to them as if they’re gonna sign offline and then go start leaching out the bad humors from their body. They act like you can’t possibly be an educated person and disagree with evolution (despite the fact that there are plenty of incredibly educated and leading scientists with 10x more education then their own who question it). They can be very demeaning and they say things like the creationists are “holding on to fairytales” or “no matter much you say evolution is not true it is” or “I don’t need to look at that link you provided because it’s obviously not worthwhile.”
I’m NOT saying evolution is untrue, but for as long as I’ve been reading these forums, I tend to see creationists come around saying things like, “I am just not sure about evolution. I could be wrong but I’ve seen too muh evidence against it to believe in it for now,” and then some evolutionist replies with some mean spirited comment about the person’s intelligence. I know that we can’t judge an idea based on the behavior of the person who supports it, but it does make me question if evolution is really one of God’s great works when so many of its supporters are filled with pride and contempt.
That’s my take.
Undecided.
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Lady_Cygnus
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I say yes, simply because it is the leading scientific theory right now and has a lot of evidence to back it. Cosmic evolution follows the same pattern and the theory works to describe events that we see. I know there are holes in the theory, but there are holes in every scientific theory. If proof comes out that it doesn’t work, then we’ll have to start looking for a different theory.
I know this next statement will sound like an attack, but it is really just a fact. Creationism is not a scientific theory. You can’t put God into science, he can’t be measured in a beaker, observed through a 'scope, or weighed. God is the creator of the world around us, but he created it with beautiful structure and meaning. There is no conflict between science and theology, because they are dealing with two different fields of study. Science is the study of the Universe and the Laws in it. Theology is the study of the one who made the Laws.
So in the end, asking about the Truth in Evolution is like asking about the truth in the Theory of Gravity, or Quantum Mechanics. It’s the best we have currently to describe what we can scientifically observe in God’s complex universe.
I know this next statement will sound like an attack, but it is really just a fact. Creationism is not a scientific theory. You can’t put God into science, he can’t be measured in a beaker, observed through a 'scope, or weighed. God is the creator of the world around us, but he created it with beautiful structure and meaning. There is no conflict between science and theology, because they are dealing with two different fields of study. Science is the study of the Universe and the Laws in it. Theology is the study of the one who made the Laws.
So in the end, asking about the Truth in Evolution is like asking about the truth in the Theory of Gravity, or Quantum Mechanics. It’s the best we have currently to describe what we can scientifically observe in God’s complex universe.
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Verbum
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This starts a discussion where people will be talking in circles. When Darwin started talking about evolution, some anti-religious people (not Darwin himself) used this to try and exclude God as the Creator. Ever since then, some religious people have regarded anyone who believes in evolution as godless.
There are many prominent Catholics, scientists and others, who accept evolution as a fact. The Church has declared that Catholics can accept evolution as long as they accept God as the ultimate creator and exclude the spiritual soul from the process of evolution.
If everyone started with these premises, the discussion would be more productive.
Verbum
There are many prominent Catholics, scientists and others, who accept evolution as a fact. The Church has declared that Catholics can accept evolution as long as they accept God as the ultimate creator and exclude the spiritual soul from the process of evolution.
If everyone started with these premises, the discussion would be more productive.
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Lazerlike42
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I agree but I think we have to also point out that ever since the Church said Catholics can believe in evolution, some religious evolutionists have regarded anyone who doesn’t believe in evolution as stupid or ignorant. That’s not fair either. There are many prominent scientists, Catholic, Christian, and otherwise, who feel evolution is either false or not yet proven. It is possible to be educated and disbelieve evolution.
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