Trying to understand why Church allows baptism for children raised by gay couples

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Then I think it’s a matter of uneven enforcement. If we say that you must subscribe to the faith to have a child baptised, and a great majority of Catholics in this culture have publicly denied SOME part of the faith but get children baptized anyway, then we look like we’re picking and choosing people, not beliefs. This is why the Amish don’t get cultural pushback, and Catholics do.
 
Being involved in a same-sex “marriage” is a very public refutation of basic Church teaching: the teaching on marriage and family. It’s also a hot- button political topic. There’s no equivalent way of living wherein someone flouts church teaching on, say, the Eucharist.
Speaking of which, why was the sixth Precept of the Church dropped? We need it now more than ever! The Disappearing Precept on Catholic Marriage | liturgy guy
 
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angel12 said:
Nor does it follow that baptism didn’t.
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Exactly. Saying whether it was or wasn’t effective happens to be in God’s domain. What we can say for sure, is that if the child is not baptized, there will be no graces from that sacrament.
 
Loud-living-dogma said:
Being involved in a same-sex “marriage” is a very public refutation of basic Church teaching: the teaching on marriage and family. It’s also a hot- button political topic.
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The very fact that you mention the political aspect, though, suggests that you think gay people get married (in part) because they oppose Catholic teaching – or perhaps because they oppose conservatism. Do you realize that this is the last thing on their minds, in most cases? Indeed, many of them would love to be able to hide the fact that they disagree with Catholic teaching – just like most Catholics in America do. But they don’t feel like that’s an option for them.
 
There is a trend for most Catholics to dissent on a number of issues related to Catholic sexual morality.
 
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VanitasVanitatum said:
There is a trend for most Catholics do dissent on a number of issues related to Catholic sexual morality.
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Yes. And most of the time they can keep this dissent from coming to the attention of priests. Same-sex couples don’t have that option.
 
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There is a trend for most Catholics to dissent on a number of issues related to Catholic sexual morality.
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It would appear that Catholic sexual morality is difficult to follow for some Cardinals as well, including at least two who were very hard-line about said morality.

So it’s not surprising that when the teachers of that morality dissent very publicly and inappropriately through their actions, the pupils will have trouble assenting to it themselves.

But it’s nothing new, even Saint Paul had a great deal of difficulty getting the communities he founded to adhere to it, cf his epistle to the Romans, etc.
 
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That actually helps the argument that their children shouldn’t be baptized.
 
Here is the crux of the matter: if people want to live as Catholics and have their children baptized as Catholics, they need to live like people who follow the faith. If this child doesn’t get baptized (as Catholic), it’s due to the parents’ openly scandalous lifestyle. It’s literally a case of the sins of the father. It’s not a failing on the part of the Church, it’s a failing on the part of the parent (s).
 
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Prodigal_Son said:
Then I think it’s a matter of uneven enforcement. If we say that you must subscribe to the faith to have a child baptised, and a great majority of Catholics in this culture have publicly denied SOME part of the faith but get children baptized anyway, then we look like we’re picking and choosing people, not beliefs. This is why the Amish don’t get cultural pushback, and Catholics do.
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Yes, I do think a parent who wants their child baptized should fully subscribe to the faith, or at least live according to the faith and not openly dissent.

If the children of gay couples are not baptized and the children of divorced and remarried couples are then that is a problem.
 
Unmarried parents are not equivalent to people pretending to be same-sex “married” people.
 
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Yes, and the National Institutes of Health. Aren’t they controlled by LifeSite News? 🤣
Seriously, people. It’s not a poll. Hence, not poll numbers. It’s a longitudinal narrative study. Rigorously applied and peer reviewed.

Homosexuals are going to model homosexual behavior. Duh.
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So, what kind of modeling of homosexual behavior do you think gay parents would give? Do you imagine that they might give sex demonstrations to their children? Or would the parents just holding hands in public be enough to turn their kids gay? The vast majority of gay people had heterosexual parents, but all that heterosexual modeling somehow failed to make the gay kids straight. So most gay people obviously didn’t learn to be gay from their parents. I think more research would be necessary before any conclusions could be drawn.
 
Don’t really care to know about the private activities of practicing homosexuals.
 
It doesn’t matter fornication is still against the teachings of the Catholic Church. Don’t know why that would be excused.
 
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prayerrider said:
Don’t really care to know about the private activities of practicing homosexuals.
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I suspect that most people, whether gay or straight, don’t want to know about the private sexual activities of other people, especially their parents.
 
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Dude are you Catholic? Have you read Catholic teaching abouy gay “marriage”?
 
Yes, I am Catholic. And as a Catholic, I see little difference between intentionally becoming an unmarried parent and having a child as a same-sex couple. I obviously see a lot of difference between same-sex marriage and having a spouse die or being unwillingly divorced. Divorced/remarried couples are either in between, or fit into the first category.
 
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