Tubal Ligation (?)

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Puppylove: I’m siding with the children who are already in this marriage!! Its like because this woman doesn’t want to think about having more babies and she obviously needs help that her husband should have an out? Yes, if they had no children and they got the wife some serious help and I’m talking major counseling with a catholic therapist and then she still said, no way I’m not having kids, yes, then I think an annullment would be a direction for them to go but they have two kids and all I’m saying is what happens to those two kids?? Please answer me that?? My husband comes from a divorced home, my dad comes from one my best friend is divorced my husbands sister is divorced, my brothers wife comes from a broken family and in all these cases they had nasty, nasty, court battles fighting over these children and it was heart breaking and the effects never end.
So this wife gets some serious help and she still has the tubal, that is between her and God, does her husband get to walk away?
If he really loves his wife and kids he won’t, things do change in life. My brother and his wife have two children and his wife can’t have more, she only carried her pregnancies to the 6th month and they seperate from the womb and she starts bleeding, they have lost babies already and after her last pregnancy where the baby was born 3 months preemie and his wife almsot bled to death their doctor said no more, my brother Always wanted tons of kids and he was sad for that loss, but he loves his wife and his two kids and they will come first and his desire for more children will either be through adoption or he will live with it. I’m not promoting tubal ligation but I will not promote divorce, annullment is in the Catholic church but they will still have to go through a civil divorce and they will have to deal with where these kids will be going etc.
All I have ever said was get the wife help, suggesting annullment is like saying your not going to stay with the marriage if you don’t get your way. Hey, I’m just hurting over these two innocent children, they need their mom and their dad as a united front, that is what really concerns me, I don’t want to argue this with you, I’ve just seen what divorce does to people and to children, you never get over it 😦
 
PuppyLove: the church also says no to divorce and I would think that life that already exsists like the two kids would be awfully darn important also not just the life that has not come yet, these two children are already here.

Before we pass judgement we need to ask ourselves do we really know what is going on in this marriage? No, we only know what a friend posted on this board, there could be so much more going on that you don’t even know about and this friend is posting about his friend and not about the wife, it sounds very one sided, we are not having this troubled woman post with her reasons now are we?
We don’t know what kind of trouble is going on in this marriage so this is really a pointless thread.

If you read any or Kamz previous replys in different posts as I did, she had a medical reason to have her tubes tied as she almost died giving birth and has had several miscarriages, she did seek advice from her parish priest and she has gone to confession.

I don’t think its right to throw someones personal business in their face, you don’t know what that person went through or their life, etc. this is just a message board and we don’t really know how any persons life has played out for them or what they have gone through. As christians we need to love eachother and support eachother and pray for eachother. I’m surprised at how many people use hurtful snide comments on this message board but then turn around and proclaim to be a christian:twocents:
 
First of all, (I will repeat myself for the fifth time), I never did insinuate at any given time that this couple should get a divorce nor an anullment. Once again, I simply answered Craig’s question. Read back at my original post.As an individual who has gone through the anullment process, yes, this is definitetly grounds for an anullment. I would rather suggest that you encourage your friend to speak to his wife about NFP. The rate of success is better than using contraceptives and has no side effects. Many Catholics don’t realize that this is a sin either.

Newsong: The church doesn’t say no to divorce in all cases, there are exceptions to that rule. I am living example of that. I am not passing judgement on anyone, just stating the truth on what the church teaches. Bottom line, from what I have read and understand, tubal ligation is not acceptable for the reasons this woman wants to have this procedure. I know that we can’t possibly know all her reasons, but I am simply stating my opinion based on the facts presented in this forum. And since I didn’t read Kamz prevoius post, please accept my most sincere apology if I hurt your feelings. I simply meant that I understood better why Kamz was sympathetic with this woman since she had been through a tubal ligation. Maybe I should have explained myself better. And your quote, “I’m surprised at how many people use hurtful snide comments on this message board but then turn around and proclaim to be a christian:twocents:” How can you as a christian, judge me and make such snide comments?

Jesus said, He who is without sin should cast the first stone". And they all went away. Jesus then told the woman, “Go woman and sin no more.”
 
I’m totally shocked by the attitude expressed on this thread. Unbelievable!
 
Puppylove,

I was not stating you, I said I’m surprised at people in general, if you read some posts on this whole forum you will be surprised that some people can be plainly hurtful and if they were face to face with that person would they be that bold? I never said you, I was just stating some people who post on this whole catholic answers forum, that is all!!
 
Hey Newsong:

Sometimes, as Kamz said to me, its hard to express yourself on this board. I’ve always been pro-life even in my darkest days. Can’t explain why, I just am! And if I can save just one baby, then thats what I will do… Sorry, but sometimes I can get very passionate and step on some toes.

God Bless you all for putting up with me,

Puppy:D
 
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