Tubal ligation

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The principle of double effect does not apply to this…it would actually violate one of the main component of the principle. (not to say that you were saying it did)
 
Bookcat said:
The principle of double effect does not apply to this…it would actually violate one of the main component of the principle. (not to say that you were saying it did)
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No problem. What I was trying to say earlier was that her best bet is probably to find some other medical procedure for which the principle of double effect would apply.
 
Just_Lurking said:
No problem. What I was trying to say earlier was that her best bet is probably to find some other medical procedure for which the principle of double effect would apply.
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Her best bet is to contact the Paul VI Institute (I gave site earlier) they are very faithful to the Church and very medically versed in these thing…that is what they do…

they perhaps can advise her …or even treat her in some way…
 
So anyone who had invetro-fertilization before the brief was written is not guiltyof sin, but those who had it after are?
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
So anyone who had invetro-fertilization before the brief was written is not guiltyof sin, but those who had it after are?
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(Not sure I follow…about brief)

In Vetro is a grave matter for mortal sin.

But yes it is possible for a person to honestly believe it is not…and not know any better…not know they should even question it…

and thus can not be “guilty” of mortal sin…but it is still gravely wrong etc…

feigned ignorance can make one more guilty…
 
Bookcat said:
Her best bet is to contact the Paul VI Institute (I gave site earlier) they are very faithful to the Church and very medically versed in these thing…that is what they do…

they perhaps can advise her …or even treat her in some way…
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We are in agreement then. I echoed your recommendation in my post 14.
 
A poster said it took ten years for a clarification on invetro-fertilization. what happens morally with the women who made the decision within the ten years.?
 
Just_Lurking said:
Catholic moral teaching distinguishes between “direct” and “indirect” actions. For example, removing an ectopic pregnancy is a direct abortion and thus prohibited, but if the fallopian tube is also removed, it becomes an indirect abortion and thus allowed.

If you are concerned about following Catholic legalistic restrictions to the letter, you should go to someplace like the Pope Paul VI Institute, where they can review your exact medical condition and recommend an “indirect” procedure that will accomplish the same ends as the tubal ligation your present doctor recommends.
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Of course they will not be able to do any procedure that will be contraceptive…

but they may have advice or second opinion or medical assistance that can treat any health issues…and if a serious reason exists (which it sounds like it does) help them regarding NFP to avoid …(they have their own method) …if that would be the thing to do…(taking into consideration any risks)
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
A poster said it took ten years for a clarification on invetro-fertilization. what happens morally with the women who made the decision within the ten years.?
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I am doubtful about such …assertion …

in any case the person would be judged by what they knew etc…

Only God and that person knows prob…
 
I’m having a little coputer problems so I can’t reply to post, nor can I back up to previous posts. I would be so careful as to avise what is a mortal sin here. this is out of our pay grade. ( unless you are a priest and not just a student)
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
I’m having a little coputer problems so I can’t reply to post, nor can I back up to previous posts. I would be so careful as to avise what is a mortal sin here. this is out of our pay grade. ( unless you are a priest and not just a student)
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This is a certainty. It is a grave matter for mortal sin…

I am not a priest nor a student.

But I do have a degree in Theology from Franciscan University where I did study this sort of thing…

and this will help too (I have already posted it but maybe with your computer problems you can read a new post) ncbcenter.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=315
 
Bookcat said:
I am doubtful about such …assertion …

in any case the person would be judged by what they knew etc…

Only God and that person knows prob…
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Via is referring to my post giving an example of a well-formed conscience. I used in vitro fertilization as an example. Louise Brown came on the scene in 1978. The Church did not issue Donum Vitae until 1987. In the intervening years, moral theologians weighed in but had differing opinions on the morality of the procedure.
 
Bkanning said:
Thank you for the thoughtful and straight forward answers, it is much appreciated! I do not feel like I can in good conscience go through with the procedure, we already practice NFP but will have to look into a more stringent practice of it for the future. I also feel that eliminating the procreation aspect of intimacy would do a great deal of damage to our marriage.

I take a very intellectual approach to my faith, and I just couldn’t come up with a definitive answer on the Church’s teaching on my own, there were too many loopholes being presented to me by others as valid reasons to support this procedure. The priest we consulted didn’t really provide a definitive answer either.
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I’m really glad you were able to determine what was best for you yourself. It does get confusing. 🙂
 
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