Tuesday Mass readings (God abandons us / Someone asks: Who can be saved?)

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**Reading 1
Jgs 6:11-24a **

The angel of the LORD came and sat under the terebinth in Ophrah
that belonged to Joash the Abiezrite.
While his son Gideon was beating out wheat in the wine press
to save it from the Midianites,
the angel of the LORD appeared to him and said,
“The LORD is with you, O champion!”
Gideon said to him, “***My Lord, if the LORD is with us,
why has all this happened to us?
Where are his wondrous deeds of which ***our fathers
told us when they said, ‘Did not the LORD bring us up from Egypt?’
For now the LORD has abandoned us
and has delivered us into the power of Midian.”
The LORD turned to him and said, “Go with the strength you have
and save Israel from the power of Midian.
It is I who send you.”
But Gideon answered him, “Please, my lord, how can I save Israel?
My family is the lowliest in Manasseh,
and I am the most insignificant in my father’s house.”
***“I shall be with you,” the LORD said to him,
“and you will cut down Midian to the last man.”***Gideon answered him, “If I find favor with you,
give me a sign that you are speaking with me.
Do not depart from here, I pray you, until I come back to you
and bring out my offering and set it before you.”
He answered, “I will await your return.”

So Gideon went off and prepared a kid and a measure of flour
in the form of unleavened cakes.
Putting the meat in a basket and the broth in a pot,
he brought them out to him under the terebinth
and presented them.
The angel of God said to him, “Take the meat and unleavened cakes
and lay them on this rock; then pour out the broth.”
When he had done so,
the angel of the LORD stretched out the tip of the staff he held,
and touched the meat and unleavened cakes.
Thereupon a fire came up from the rock
that consumed the meat and unleavened cakes,
and the angel of the LORD disappeared from sight.
Gideon, now aware that it had been the angel of the LORD,
said, “Alas, Lord GOD,
that I have seen the angel of the LORD face to face!”
***The LORD answered him,
“Be calm, do not fear. You shall not die.”***So Gideon built there an altar to the LORD
and called it Yahweh-shalom.

Responsorial Psalm
Ps 85:9, 11-12, 13-14


R. (see 9b) The Lord speaks of peace to his people.
I will hear what God proclaims;
the LORD–for he proclaims peace
To his people, and to his faithful ones,
and to those who put in him their hope.
R. The Lord speaks of peace to his people.
Kindness and truth shall meet;
justice and peace shall kiss.

Truth shall spring out of the earth,
and justice shall look down from heaven.
R. The Lord speaks of peace to his people.
The LORD himself will give his benefits;
our land shall yield its increase.
Justice shall walk before him,
and salvation, along the way of his steps.
R. The Lord speaks of peace to his people.

Gospel
Mt 19:23-30


Jesus said to his disciples:
“Amen, I say to you, it will be hard for one who is rich
to enter the Kingdom of heaven.
Again I say to you,
it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle
than for one who is rich to enter the Kingdom of God.”

When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and said,
***“Who then can be saved?”***Jesus looked at them and said,

“For men this is impossible,
but for God all things are possible.”
Then Peter said to him in reply,
“We have given up everything and followed you.
What will there be for us?”
Jesus said to them, “Amen, I say to you
that you who have followed me, in the new age,
when the Son of Man is seated on his throne of glory,
will yourselves sit on twelve thrones,
judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
And everyone who has given up houses or brothers or sisters
or father or mother or children or lands
for the sake of my name will receive a hundred times more,
and will inherit eternal life.

But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.”

I think we all know that feeling of “God, if you are with us, Why has this happened?” :eek: .😦 In some ways, we may never fully KNOW the answer to that… but i know one thing: Sin causes terrible things to happen… and even if a person stops sinning (for the most part) he has to live around those who have not decided to do so… :rolleyes: so this life can be hell…
Someone asks Jesus: Who can be saved?

Jesus says “With God all things are possible.” 😃

(as if only God’s power is big enough and strong enough to save anyone, which, of course, is true… So why do we do good deeds to try to save ourselves? Well, we do good deeds so that we may have grace… and it is grace (God’s Spirit) that saves… Doing bad or unprofitable things takes grace away… and if we do them often enough, we end up not even having the grace to know that we need more grace… and then we are on the road to Hell*
 
i was struck by the opposite in the first reading.
He asked the Lord to wait while he prepared his sacrifice, and the Lord waited.
It must have taken a long time, but when he came back, the Lord was still there
waiting, just like He said. Then, after He disappeared from sight, and Gideon
cried “alas!” the Lord still answered him, even though He had disappeared from sight.
And Jesus still answers us, through the Holy Spirit. I’d like to know, what is a
terebinth? It would be dear to me if I saw one, as it would symbolize “the place
where the Lord waited.” What if the Lord was waiting for us to prepare our sacrifice,
so He could then send us to do “whatever it is”?

“Who then can be saved?”
I really don’t understand why the disciples asked this question. Do you think Peter
had to say “what about us?” because he felt they were all rich?
 
distracted - Could you please put the date in the title like cheeto does? It makes it easier to find when one wants to post.

Thanks!
 
distracted - Could you please put the date in the title like cheeto does? It makes it easier to find when one wants to post.

Thanks!
i have no idea what you mean??

what date does Cheeto put in???
 
i was struck by the opposite in the first reading.
?
you can’t relate to this:
Gideon said to him, “My Lord, if the LORD is with us,
why has all this happened to us?
you’ve never been through something that made you feel this way??

consider yourself blessed…

but then, on the other hand, all the horrible stuff i’ve been through… makes me love Jesus all the more…

He is not like “the others”… 🙂
 
i have no idea what you mean??

what date does Cheeto put in???
I think Sheeniac means when you post the title it would be easier if you wrote something like “Mass Reading, Tues. August 18, 2009” so the readers of the thread know right away to which readings to go.
 
Oh I can relate to it all right. And every other thing like it in the Bible. But
what strikes me is what I didn’t notice before. Evidence of God’s NOT
abandoning us. It’s easy to feel abandoned by God, Jesus even felt it. But
it wasn’t true. I really don’t believe in that “footprints” thing. We know that when
we are suffering and abandoned, we know that we are not being “carried”. But
what we don’t see is how hard God is working “behind the scenes”. That’s because
we are focused on our own life, our own situation, and especially our own suffering.

We may as well forget about our suffering, and our list of “things to do”.
There is something bigger going on. It is God’s kingdom moving. We can be a
part of it. God knows our day and our plans, but what’s on His list of “things to do”
as relates to our list? For example, you are going to the store today. You have a
list. God has a list too. He knows when you will be in aisle 10. At the exact time
that so-and-so will be there. He’s got something for you to do or say, but will you
notice? Or will you be praying that they aren’t out of the brand of bathroom tissue
you want?

You might not notice this, but when you go to mass, just seeing you strengthens
the faith of others. Or when someone sees you doing something kind. Just your
smile might be a great gift that God has planned for someone else, it’s on His “list”
today, and you did it at just the right time. You never knew it!
 
I think Sheeniac means when you post the title it would be easier if you wrote something like “Mass Reading, Tues. August 18, 2009” so the readers of the thread know right away to which readings to go.
i did put august…

doesn’t seem necessary to put the year… i doubt if readings are going to be addressed a yr later…
 
Oh I can relate to it all right. And every other thing like it in the Bible. But
what strikes me is what I didn’t notice before. Evidence of God’s NOT
abandoning us. It’s easy to feel abandoned by God, Jesus even felt it. But
it wasn’t true. I really don’t believe in that “footprints” thing. We know that when
we are suffering and abandoned, we know that we are not being “carried”. But
what we don’t see is how hard God is working “behind the scenes”. That’s because
we are focused on our own life, our own situation, and especially our own suffering.

We may as well forget about our suffering, and our list of “things to do”.
There is something bigger going on. It is God’s kingdom moving. We can be a
part of it. God knows our day and our plans, but what’s on His list of “things to do”
as relates to our list? For example, you are going to the store today. You have a
list. God has a list too. He knows when you will be in aisle 10. At the exact time
that so-and-so will be there. He’s got something for you to do or say, but will you
notice? Or will you be praying that they aren’t out of the brand of bathroom tissue
you want?

You might not notice this, but when you go to mass, just seeing you strengthens
the faith of others. Or when someone sees you doing something kind. Just your
smile might be a great gift that God has planned for someone else, it’s on His “list”
today, and you did it at just the right time. You never knew it!
hate to be a stick in the mud…

(well, not really… :D)

but uh… certain parts of your post sound like predestination… God knows what we are going to do… No, he doesn’t. I have choices - myriad choices. And now that i think about it, i wish i would tell mysefl that more often… because sometimes i get my ever-spinning wheels stuck in the mud … (with lots of sticks to get me really exasperated :D)

anyhow… about God not abandoning us but we feel he is… Yes, i know this is true…

i think often we abandon Him withhout having a clue that we are doing so… we just get our minds on “things” we think we should have our minds on… and in so doing, we shove Him aside… which is why the bible tells us to pray incessantly… (Thess) If you are praying, you are not shoving him aside and therefore, should not feel abandoned…

I’ve had it happen that i will feel awful… like God is gone but the devil is there, and the devil is ALWAYS there…

but then i will pray the rosary and that feeling not only evaporates but better ones take its place… 🙂

I’m so thankful for the Church… :heaven:
 
I think Sheeniac means when you post the title it would be easier if you wrote something like “Mass Reading, Tues. August 18, 2009” so the readers of the thread know right away to which readings to go.
Thank you!
 
I have choices - myriad choices.
YES! That’s it. And then how many times a day do you make the choices God
wants you to? I’m afraid I miss about a hundred things a day that God wanted me
to do!

Adam and Eve made some choices, and God had to change His mind from them
living in paradise for an eternity, and move onto plan 2. Wonder what He had planned
for Cain when he decided to kill his brother instead? God moved onto plan 2.
Noah - another plan 2. Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, everyone didn’t do things right.
His plan 2’s have been overly generous since the beginning of time. The whole bible
is just full of “Plan 2’s”! In fact, I recently read one author who said Jesus’ death
was a “Plan 2”. He said that had Jesus been welcomed by the chosen people, His
kingdom would have been ushered in right then and there. Who among us is living
in a Plan One? No one. Jesus is the only one who did this with His life.

And so now what if we lived even one day seeing all that God really wanted us to
do? It would be the most joyous day ever!
 
Today is also the day of St. Jane Frances de Chantal. Her day was moved here
from December 12, in order that Our Lady of Guadalupe could be celebrated on that day. To me, this doesn’t make sense. I thought the day to celebrate a saint was the
date of their death. Why wasn’t Our Lady of Guadalupe put on a day that didn’t
already have a saint?

I always look for a connection between the saint of the day, and the readings for
that day, but I have yet to see one…
 
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