TurretinFan and Transubstantiation

[Pete_Holter]

I was able to post some comments on TurretinFan’s blog entry, Built on the Wrong Foundation. I thought I would share the link in case something that I said there would be helpful for someone here.

I probably won’t post on this thread. Just wanted to make this available. Perhaps someone else would like to continue the discussion from there, here on this thread.

Have a blessed day!

In Christ,
Pete

 

[Church_Militant]

All that work to try to prove a fallacious case as soon as he makes this statement.

Transubstantiation is one of those Roman dogmas that spectacularly fails the tests of history and Scripture…It does no such thing, though of course he wishes that was the case. I answered this kind of nonsense in a thread here on CAF about 6 years ago.

The Eucharist IS Scriptural!

 

[StrawberryJam]

I was able to post some comments on TurretinFan’s blog entry, Built on the Wrong Foundation. I thought I would share the link in case something that I said there would be helpful for someone here.

I probably won’t post on this thread. Just wanted to make this available. Perhaps someone else would like to continue the discussion from there, here on this thread.

Have a blessed day!

In Christ,
Pete

Well Pete,

Since you have warned us you will not do more than post a topic that you will walk away from, I will not worry about the problems I saw in the blog you gave many people access to they would not have had before. I am not sure if the author of this blog will allow dissenting views to be posted on it.
Maybe the author has found a person to promote their blog who is unwilling or unable to defend points made in it that are against catholic teaching?
Who knows, and better yet- who cares?
This guy wants to tear down the Eucharist because **he does not think **it is “scriptural”!!!
Does he also believe the earth is only 6,000 years old? Why or WHY NOT?

 

[Pete_Holter]

Well Pete,

Since you have warned us you will not do more than post a topic that you will walk away from, I will not worry about the problems I saw in the blog you gave many people access to they would not have had before. I am not sure if the author of this blog will allow dissenting views to be posted on it.
Maybe the author has found a person to promote their blog who is unwilling or unable to defend points made in it that are against catholic teaching?

Hi StrawberryJam!

Yes! He very kindly allowed me to post my comments on his blog. You’ll see my comments posted as “Anonymous,” but signed with my name. About 30 of them!

I just don’t have the time needed to continue with a full exposition of the faith of the fathers on this subject. I gave a presentation of Cyril of Jerusalem’s view and started presenting John Chrysostom, but left it at that. And I tried to answer objections as they were being raised.

In Christ,
Pete

 

[StrawberryJam]

Hi StrawberryJam!

Yes! He very kindly allowed me to post my comments on his blog. You’ll see my comments posted as “Anonymous,” but signed with my name. About 30 of them!

I just don’t have the time needed to continue with a full exposition of the faith of the fathers on this subject. I gave a presentation of Cyril of Jerusalem’s view and started presenting John Chrysostom, but left it at that. And I tried to answer objections as they were being raised.

In Christ,
Pete

I hope he will be as open to an agnostic with catholic leanings wishing to post Pete.
Because, if he is- I hope to engage him and give him some reasons to doubt his postion.
On this topic because you need backup, and I am willing and able to give it to you.

Edit to add: He or she is accepting posts without questions asked. I posted.

 

[Pete_Holter]

Thanks, guys!

I’d rather posts be made here than on his blog; but if posting on TurretinFan’s blog, please, please, be charitable, as we always ought to be. Saying things like “You wish fella” and “You’re dead wrong” hurts, and leads people to think that we don’t have the Truth. Nothing destroys our witness more than a lack of charity and humility.

Perhaps the moderators should remove my thread.

With the love of Christ,
Pete

 

[Third_Day]

I was able to post some comments on TurretinFan’s blog entry, Built on the Wrong Foundation. I thought I would share the link in case something that I said there would be helpful for someone here.

I probably won’t post on this thread. Just wanted to make this available. Perhaps someone else would like to continue the discussion from there, here on this thread.

Have a blessed day!

In Christ,
Pete

Pete sometimes the best one can do is to take the advice of Jesus.
"And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town.’ Matt 10:14

A Catholic like Scott Hahn was making those same arguments 30 years ago as where many other converts to the faith. All we can do is share the truth, plant the seed and let the Holy Spirit do the rest.

 

[StrawberryJam]

Thanks, guys!

I’d rather posts be made here than on his blog; but if posting on TurretinFan’s blog, please, please, be charitable, as we always ought to be. Saying things like “You wish fella” and “You’re dead wrong” hurts, and leads people to think that we don’t have the Truth. Nothing destroys our witness more than a lack of charity and humility.

Perhaps the moderators should remove my thread.

With the love of Christ,
Pete

Pete,

I was entirely charitable. Why would I need to be otherwise to state my position unless my position was weak?

 

[StrawberryJam]

Pete sometimes the best one can do is to take the advice of Jesus.
"And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town.’ Matt 10:14

A Catholic like Scott Hahn was making those same arguments 30 years ago as where many other converts to the faith. All we can do is share the truth, plant the seed and let the Holy Spirit do the rest.

I think I read some of his books along the way. I think he mentioned his grandmother’s death as a point where he started to examine the faith he had held before that.

 

[Church_Militant]

Thanks, guys!

I’d rather posts be made here than on his blog; but if posting on TurretinFan’s blog, please, please, be charitable, as we always ought to be. Saying things like “You wish fella” and “You’re dead wrong” hurts, and leads people to think that we don’t have the Truth. Nothing destroys our witness more than a lack of charity and humility.

Perhaps the moderators should remove my thread.

With the love of Christ,
Pete

Pete…that’s not lack of charity, it’s argument.

The facts are there and the burden is upon him to either agree or not.

My point is that it is his wishful thinking that has lead to his (gross) misrepresentation of Catholic belief. It is in fact, “dead wrong” which is little different than his own rhetoric with regard to our most holy faith.

It leads to nothing of the sort, but challenges them to reconsider their errant position, (as well they should).

If they don’t want arguments against their errors, they have two very good options (1) abandon them in favor of the facts, or (2) don’t publish them.

While you’re being sympathetic to this guy’s a-C rhetoric by which he seeks to proselytize Catholics away from our faith, do you see any signs that he feels any compunction about his rhetoric towards us?

Like I said, he makes a whole article out of his defense of his unscriptural and unhistorical position. You know it…and I know it my friend.

 

[vwtaylorii]

This is a very interesting topic. I will give you a word of caution. I turretinfan is actually a pretty good debator (eventhough he doesn’t look like it when he debates William Albrecht (YouTube user gnrhead) most of the time). For him being a contributor to James White blog, Alpha and Omega Ministries, that would say something about his skills. James White wouldn’t have just anybody contributing to his blog (at least I believe).

In fact, Turretinfan will be debating William Albrecht on St. Augustine believing in the Eucharist. The debate is this week, and it may be posted on gnrhead YouTube site next week.