Two atheist arguments that cancel each other out

[Gaber]

I cannot tell from this response if my question was addressed. As a whole, this response seems like it consists of mostly personal speculation, and I have no clue if it bears any resemblance to reality.

A resemblance to Reality is where we always operate, some more closely, others more fancifully, despite protestations of an “objective” reality. Ask who it is that doesn’t have a clue and you will get closer. Then you can decide for youself, and what I said will be quite clear. In the mean time, it may seem like nonsense. But that is where Reality waits–beyond the senses and the discursive mind. If you go there, you have an unimaginably wonderful surprise waiting for you! If no, then you will have your life anyway, as you think it is.

 

[davidv]

A resemblance to Reality is where we always operate, some more closely, others more fancifully, despite protestations of an “objective” reality. Ask who it is that doesn’t have a clue and you will get closer. Then you can decide for youself, and what I said will be quite clear. In the mean time, it may seem like nonsense. But that is where Reality waits–beyond the senses and the discursive mind. If you go there, you have an unimaginably wonderful surprise waiting for you! If no, then you will have your life anyway, as you think it is.

This response does not help me understand your position on the original question. You haven’t begun to explain why my perspective of reality is inferior to yours. You have no insight into what I have, or have not had, with regard to mystical experience.

 

[Gaber]

This response does not help me understand your position on the original question. You haven’t begun to explain why my perspective of reality is inferior to yours. You have no insight into what I have, or have not had, with regard to mystical experience.

Of course not. And I didn’t say yours was inferior. I only say it is what you have. But who is it that has that, whatever it is you think you have?