Two Hardcore Videoed EWTN Homilies on How to Dress/Act for Mass

[whyeyeman]

If someone dresses in next to nothing and walks through a busy town, this is tempting people in to sin. They are at fault, and the church teaches they are guilty of a grave sin.

 

[CilladeRoma]

Please cite your sources for this. Preferably from the Catechism.

 

[CoffeeAndDonuts]

A lot of women’s clothing is insanely uncomfortable for me to wear, even for a short duration. I had to wear nylons for a funeral recently and it just about drove me mental. Same thing with heels. Hard to find dressy pants that would be modest and formal enough for Mass. Woman’s ‘modest’ clothing is almost always frumpy or uncomfortable, and the size of my God-given chest makes everything either way too tight in the chest or way too loose everywhere else. My options are either “be extremely physically uncomfortable” or “dress like a grandma in your 30s”.

I guess my point is that unless you have a personal dressmaker at your beck and call there’s going to be compromise. If I am constantly distracted by how nuts my clothes are driving me, I’m not going to be able to focus on the homily.

 

[CilladeRoma]

Boy, can I empathize!!!
The people who design women’s clothes need to be flogged!!

If men had half of our problems, the fashion industry would have been reformed years ago!

 

[Boler]

2521 Purity requires modesty, an integral part of temperance. Modesty protects the intimate center of the person. It means refusing to unveil what should remain hidden. It is ordered to chastity to whose sensitivity it bears witness. It guides how one looks at others and behaves toward them in conformity with the dignity of persons and their solidarity.

2522 Modesty protects the mystery of persons and their love. It encourages patience and moderation in loving relationships; it requires that the conditions for the definitive giving and commitment of man and woman to one another be fulfilled. Modesty is decency. It inspires one’s choice of clothing. It keeps silence or reserve where there is evident risk of unhealthy curiosity. It is discreet. [Emphasis added].

 

[Boler]

My options are either “be extremely physically uncomfortable” or “dress like a grandma in your 30s”.

Sounds a bit like a false dichotomy. Every Sunday I see women of every shape and size manage to pull it off gracefully.

 

[godisgood77]

The focus and emphasis on the superficial is unfortunate. I challenge anyone who is caught up in noticing what clothes people wear to Mass to rethink their priorities.

My personal opinion is that priests who prioritize their homily time for attire are misguided at best …how unfortunate!

 

[CoffeeAndDonuts]

Don’t get me wrong, I like being a woman, but man oh man, if men had to go through what we go through everyone would wear comfy pajamas everywhere The only time I feel lucky is during the summer for businessy type events where we can get away with a cool linen or cotton dress and they still got to wear a heavy suit.

Makes me think of when my mom and I would watch old Star Treks and they’d visit the planet ruled by women and the women would be wearing bikinis or other some such outfits and my mom would just laugh.

 

[CilladeRoma]

This does not say what whyeyeman is saying.
I want him to quote where the Church says that someones clothing choice is a grave sin if they tempt someone.
Are we not supposed to have “custody of the eyes”?

I have real issues with anyone who holds women to a standard that what they wear is somehow a barometer for their holiness.

 

[Boler]

The focus and emphasis on the superficial is unfortunate.

I think you’re trying to discredit the idea altogether by saying that. I don’t think it’s as much a focus as you think it is. I’d be surprised if 1% of his homilies are about modesty. It’s an important enough issue to be mentioned in the CCC.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I just buy stuff out of Marketplace Handwork of India or Deva by Cammy. Throw in a few stretch pants or cargo pants from The Territory Ahead and some tunics from Zulily and the occasional nice sweater from wherever and I’m good to go. I also have a thing for all those oversized Japanese clothes from the 80s and they’re all back and being sold by a company called Buykud.

 

[Boler]

I want him to quote where the Church says that someones clothing choice is a grave sin if they tempt someone.

Um… “It inspires one’s choice of clothing. It keeps silence or reserve where there is evident risk of unhealthy curiosity.”

As to the gravity, that depends on the intent, lack of regard, etc.

 

[CoffeeAndDonuts]

Funny how what we hated in the 90s is all the rage again. I love stretch pants and I usually do them and a dress/skirt and a cardigan for Mass. Along with some sensible flats.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I love all the colorful stuff from Marketplace. The pants are comfy and the dresses don’t look frumpy because of all the fabrics. Only drawback is when I wear it, all the street beggars hit me up because I look very hippie liberal art-student.

 

[CoffeeAndDonuts]

I’m a big fan of H&M myself. You ever check out AliExpress? You can get some good deals on there and there’s a huge array of options.

Heh, this is very quickly turning into lady’s fashion chat

 

[whyeyeman]

Please cite your sources for this. Preferably from the Catechism.

Catechism of the Catholic church, 2284:
“Scandal is an attitude or behaviour which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.”

 

[jcm2017]

Modesty is not concerned merely with physical attributes, as the CCC says.
Showing one’s superiority or advanced knowledge, or advanced virtue is immodest.
Noticing the faults of others is not modesty. And so modesty taken up into purity includes purity of heart, or a heart cleansed of attachments to one’s inordinate desires, including the desire to notice the faults of others and correct them.

 

[Boler]

Good thing you have this in hand Deusenberg.

This is a very mean comment. Why would you make such insinuations towards someone who’s simply discussing modest dress for Mass on a Catholic forum?

 

[whyeyeman]

Scandal is a grave offense is it leads others into a grave offense. Looking upon a woman lustfully is a grave offense, therefore immodest dress is a grave offense.

 

[jcm2017]

Taken in the context of day after day posting. The content and tone of the posting.
Get serious, it’s not about discussion, it’s consistent badgering of priests and just about everyone else who doesn’t measure up. It gets tiresome to see it continue.