Two knees genuflection?

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Seminarian_Matt said:
My fellow seminarians and I still do the double genuflection as do the people in my parish. It has been required at least for decades and it remains required by the Church. I can try to post more authoritative documentation later if I have time.
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I look forward to it.

tee
 
Seminarian_Matt said:
As a Traditional Catholic, I prefer to follow the rubics established before Vatican II.
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Then you ought to so qualify yourself when you make statements like:
Seminarian_Matt said:
I am a Roman Catholic Seminarian, and I just want to confirm what was already said. Two knees are used to genuflect when the Eucharist is exposed during Adoration or Benediction. If you arrived at Mass late after the Consecration you would also have to do the double genuflection because the Eucharist is on the Altar.
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Which plainly, unless or until someone can show otherwise, is not the current rubric.

:twocents:
tee
 
One knee…two knee…? What? People still genuflect at all? Who knew? :confused:

I thought the norm was just to slide or plop down into the pew. That seems to be the way its been done around here for the past couple of decades.
 
The “Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described”, for the practices concerning with the rubrics of the 1962 Missal have the “Double Genuflection” to the “Blessed Sacrament” when exposed in the Monstrance.

Liturgically, this practice was eliminated:mad: and it is no longer mandatory in the Roman Rite.

However I myself still personally keep this practice and am often looked at as “wierd” by others walking past me after Mass at a Novus Ordo parish where they have perpetual adoration.

Anyway HERE IT IS - officially, from the Traditional Roman Rite-

"To make a genuflection, first stand upright facing the object or person it is to be made. Unless something is held, the hands are joined palm to palm before the breast. then without bending the body pr the head, touch the ground with the right knee at exactly the place where the right foot was. Rise again at once.

A prostration or double genuflection is made by first geuflecting as above; then, before rising, touch the ground with the left knee where the left foot stood. Now kneeling on both knees, bow the head and shoulders somewhat."

Ken
 
Ken, thank you for continuing this practice. I hope and pray that the actions of people like you help foster greater reverence to our Eucharistic Lord.
 
We have a Blessed Sacrament chapel at a nearby parish. My choir practices at 6:30 on Wednesday nights and I live far enough out that it makes no sense for me to even try to get home and then come back into town. So, I often spend time in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament and the procedure which was taught to me as kid way back when such things were normal was to start the genuflection on the right knee, then the left knee, then a bow. Get up, enter pew, and kneel. Reverse procedure upon exiting. No different from Benediction except you’re already kneeling.

But here’s the rub. When was the last time you attended a Solemn Benediction at your parish. Such things were weekly events when I was a kid usually after the Novena to Our Lady of Perpetual Help on Tuesday nights. Novena followed by Benediction. If the Blessed Sacrament is exposed in the monstrance, you kneel or genuflect upon both knees.

Copes? When was the last time you saw a cope used in your parish. Or the cope used to shelter the Blessed Sacrament as it is moved to the tabernacle after the Mass of the Lord’s Supper on Holy Thursday while the choir sings Pange Lingua.

And, kleary? No one looks the least bit askance at me when I visit our local chapel of Perpetual Adoration for it is the norm there since the parish is a traditional NO parish as is my own cathedral parish.
 
kleary said:
The “Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described”, for the practices concerning with the rubrics of the 1962 Missal have the “Double Genuflection” to the “Blessed Sacrament” when exposed in the Monstrance.

Liturgically, this practice was eliminated:mad: and it is no longer mandatory in the Roman Rite.

However I myself still personally keep this practice and am often looked at as “wierd” by others walking past me after Mass at a Novus Ordo parish where they have perpetual adoration.
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I sometimes go to a shrine parish that has perpetual adoration (plus Franciscan friars and Poor Clare nuns). The Masses are Novus Ordo, but everybody who is not infirm always does the double genuflection. There is nobody who would give weird looks because it is the practice of everybody I’ve seen there, even the young children.
 
brotherhrolf said:
But here’s the rub. When was the last time you attended a Solemn Benediction at your parish.
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Last Wednesday. We are currently praying a weekly novena of St Anthony, with benediction following. (But since this upcoming is the first Wednesday, when we typically have a holy hour & benediction, there will instead be holy hour; Mass; novena)
brotherhrolf said:
Copes? When was the last time you saw a cope used in your parish.
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Same time.
brotherhrolf said:
Or the cope used to shelter the Blessed Sacrament as it is moved to the tabernacle after the Mass of the Lord’s Supper on Holy Thursday while the choir sings Pange Lingua.
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NEVER! While the cope is the proper vestment of a priest outside of the Eucharistic Liturgy, it is the HUMERAL VEIL that is used to carry the Blessed Sacrament (in ciborium or monstrance) in procession.

And I last saw it so used 8 weeks and change ago, but the whole congregation was singing Pange Lingua, led by the choir. I expect similar next week during our Eucharistic procession-around-the-block for Corpus Christi.

My parish follows the current Missal.

Fling tar with the thin brush please; don’t get any on us,
tee
 
brotherhrolf said:
But here’s the rub. When was the last time you attended a Solemn Benediction at your parish. Such things were weekly events when I was a kid usually after the Novena to Our Lady of Perpetual Help on Tuesday nights. Novena followed by Benediction. If the Blessed Sacrament is exposed in the monstrance, you kneel or genuflect upon both knees.
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They are for me. Last week there were *two *Benedictions(because of First Friday) and this week there will be two again (because of Corpus Christi).

And speaking of Benediction, quite a few people at my parish to do a prostration-both Eastern style and Latin style. For the weekly Benediction when it is not as crowded as the First Friday, there are people who go and stand in the aisle so that they can do the prostration easily. And no one thinks anything of it and the priests say nothing.
 
Squire Peter, thou art blest in Outremer! Sadly, benedictions are few and far between in most US NO parishes. They’re rare in my NO cathedral parish. How can we claim to be Catholic when most of us have never attended a Bendiction? How much we have lost as a Church! How much!
 
brotherhrolf said:
Squire Peter, thou art blest in Outremer! Sadly, benedictions are few and far between in most US NO parishes. They’re rare in my NO cathedral parish. How can we claim to be Catholic when most of us have never attended a Bendiction? How much we have lost as a Church! How much!
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Our local parish has them at the least on First Fridays. The cope is used any time the Blessed Sacrament is moved, or removed from the main church to the chapel.

As to the genuflection, I would find it strange that people would look askance at someone doing the double genuflection at adoration, as usually people present at adoration–at least in my experience–are not the type of people who would think it odd, much less question anyone about it. We get probably fifty-fifty between one and two knee genuflection, and I personally have been known to do both at various times.

Peace,
 
brotherhrolf said:
Squire Peter, thou art blest in Outremer! Sadly, benedictions are few and far between in most US NO parishes. They’re rare in my NO cathedral parish. How can we claim to be Catholic when most of us have never attended a Bendiction? How much we have lost as a Church! How much!
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Do you have reason to believe this is true, or are you just whinging? Who is the “us” in “most of us”? Is it the same “most of us” who (statistics say) don’t attend Sunday Mass regularly? Or those that do? Or someone else? (The foremost would hardly surprise me; the latter: Who knows?)

I confess, while I don’t have a firm idea of the liturgical schedules of parishes other than my own, I can think of two in my area off the top of my head (one diocesan, one religious order) which have regular benediction.

I repeat, in a larger font:

Fling tar with the thin brush please; don’t get any on “us”,
tee
 
I always do the two knee genuflection during Adoration. IMHO, we’ve experienced enough dumbing down of our faith (moving Feast days to Sundays, no more Ember days, Rogation days, etc.).

Yes, it’s difficult for me to get down on both knees but not impossible so I will do it until I’m truly physically unable to do so.

:rolleyes:
 
tee_eff_em said:
Do you have reason to believe this is true, or are you just whinging? Who is the “us” in “most of us”? Is it the same “most of us” who (statistics say) don’t attend Sunday Mass regularly? Or those that do? Or someone else? (The foremost would hardly surprise me; the latter: Who knows?)

I confess, while I don’t have a firm idea of the liturgical schedules of parishes other than my own, I can think of two in my area off the top of my head (one diocesan, one religious order) which have regular benediction.

I repeat, in a larger font:

Fling tar with the thin brush please; don’t get any on “us”,
tee
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Umm, tee, I have every reason to believe that this is true in terms of Benediction. I can speak for my own cathedral parish since I am a choir member. We don’t have a perpetual adoration chapel and Novena is said on Tuesdays before the 12 pm Mass and there is no Benediction. I checked our diocesan website and, where there are perpetual adoration chapels there is Novena and Benediction. But the average Catholic in my diocese who was raised after Vatican II wouldn’t have the foggiest about Benediction.

Likewise I checked the Archdiocese of New Orleans, the diocese of Houma-Thibodaux, and the diocese of Lafayette - all across south Louisiana and were pretty conservative down here. The only places I saw Benediction listed were those parishes with a Novena (down here primarily to OLPH) and a perpetual adoration chapel or an indult Mass.

I was not flinging tar. My two sons grew up in a cathedral parish and they would no more know what to do during Benediction than they would be able to sing “O Salutaris Hostia” or “Tantum Ergo” (and I do not mean the Tantum Ergo of the Pange Lingua). My comment was not meant to fling tar but was a genuine lament.

I’m not going to further derail this thread.
 
tee_eff_em said:
NEVER! While the cope is the proper vestment of a priest outside of the Eucharistic Liturgy, it is the HUMERAL VEIL that is used to carry the Blessed Sacrament (in ciborium or monstrance) in procession.
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My priest wears the cope during reposition of the Blessed Sacrament. He also uses the humeral veil when he carries the Blessed Sacrament.
 
lak611 said:
My priest wears the cope during reposition of the Blessed Sacrament. He also uses the humeral veil when he carries the Blessed Sacrament.
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Yes, but it is the humeral veil that is “used to shelter the Blessed Sacrament” in this procession, not the cope.

(In fact, the rubrics specify that the priest don the humeral veil for this purpose, but are silent as to whether he should retain the chasuble or remove it and don the cope – I’m pretty sure I’ve seen it done both ways)

tee
 
tee_eff_em said:
Rats. And I was just about to admit you are far more traditional than I.

What is the *Tantum Ergo *not of the Pange Lingua?

tee
Who is genuinely curious
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That’d probably be the ‘other’ tune - there is more than one to which the Tantum Ergo has been set.

I don’t pretend to be an expert, but I know both of 'em 😛
 
LilyM said:
That’d probably be the ‘other’ tune - there is more than one to which the Tantum Ergo has been set.

I don’t pretend to be an expert, but I know both of 'em 😛
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Oh, tunes – I’d thought he meant words. 😛

I *might *know them to two different settings – It’s hard to sing both in my head to be sure.

tee
 
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