Two new Jesus movies based on the Islamic view.

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rayaan i was searching for an answer.if torah psalms and gospel came from allah&later altered by men then why allah didn’t send reall torah,psalms er gospel?why he had sent a new book as quran?did allah forgot wat he said in those previous books?is the memory of allah is so weak?if yes then how is it possible that he is true god?
 
Angelos, Islam means Submission to the Will of GOD.

Muslim means ONE who submits o the will of God.
For non-Muslims, ISLAM also means submission to Mohammad’s military battles and earthly kingdom based on heretical teachings.
All prophets from Adam to Noah, to Moses to Jesus to Muhammed submitted to the will of the One true God and were all Muslims…
Right! Cleopatra was a fan of Manchester United too!
It was humanity which corrupted there message this was destiny, it was meant to happen, until the seal of the prophets Muhamed came and bought the final revelation the FINAL TESTMENT and the Quran as the uncorrupted word of God in one language to guide humanity against corruption and the path of corruption.
However, Allah forgot this in the Koran and repeatedly asked Muslims to believe in the former revelations and consult them for guidance!

If corruption of the former revelations was meant to happen for Mohammad to come as the final messenger, this also means that Mohammad’s prophetic mission and the Koran are inevitably based on a failure. What proof does the Koran have other than itself for its being a divine revelation??? ZERO.

Finally, if the corruption was crucial, it definitely resulted in Jews and Christians’ denial of Mohammad as the seal of prophets.This entails that the current Jewish and Christian disbelief in Mohammad was also made crucial by Allah. What high purpose does this serve?
 
When those books became corrupt Allah sent the final Testament the Quraan…

In which he corrected all the corruptions…
 
When those books became corrupt Allah sent the final Testament the Quraan…

In which he corrected all the corruptions…
previous scriptures being corrupt means that the missions of DOZENS of prophets were a failure. So Allah became serious only with Muhammad? why didn’t Jesus accuse Jews of corrupting the scriptures? where does Allah say that yu should NOT read previous scriptures?
 
Why don’t you first prove to me how Jesus is GOD…
Do I have to? Why? Have I asked you so far to prove me that the Koran was dictated by Angel Gabriel? 😉
Why don’t yo explain to me WHY does God need the slaughter and torture of Jesus to forgive my or your sins, How does that even work, why does Jesus need to feel pain for God to forgive the rest of us (why do you think God is so cruel)

What about the fact that YOU think that Jesus is GOD, s does that mean YOU think GOD wanted Jesus (himself i.e, GOD) to be tortured by humans, so God could forgive the humans that tortured…

Why would GOD want HIMSELF tortured and killed in order to forgive humanity…
I do not know why you always write the same questions over and over and ignore our responses. I have already responded to these questions on another thread. Please go and read them.

Nevertheless, your question WHY I think God is so cruel will never be answered by me because I do not believe God is cruel. Your question is based on a faulty assertion that you unfairly attribute to us.
My beliefs make sense, Jesus was the messenger of God, JUST like ADAM, NOAH, MOSES AND MUHAMMED he was sent to spread Gods will to Humanity, e has not died and he will return to lead the Muslims…
It is You who is seriously confused.
Your beliefs make sense because you believe so??? This is circular reasoning!!! Try something better next time. 😉
 
Originally Posted by Rayaan
Why don’t yo explain to me WHY does God need the slaughter and torture of Jesus to forgive my or your sins, How does that even work, why does Jesus need to feel pain for God to forgive the rest of us (why do you think God is so cruel)
why don’t YOU explain to us what did Allah do on the crucifixion day? if Jesus did not die, WHO did? and WHY?
 
When those books became corrupt Allah sent the final Testament the Quraan…

In which he corrected all the corruptions…
A few objections:

1) How can a book correct the supposedly corrupted texts of other faiths (Judaism and Christianity) when Jews and Christians do NOT believe that the Koran is the final revelation?

2) The idea of correction through a new revelation makes no sense because corrections are valid only if they are made on the same text that is believed to be corrupted.

3) The allegation of correction always fails because the Koran says the reason for its revelation is the confirmation of the former revelations. Thus, the Koran never stipulates that Muslims compare the Koran to the other books in order to believe in their authenticity.
 
Why don’t yo explain to me WHY does God need the slaughter and torture of Jesus to forgive my or your sins, How does that even work, why does Jesus need to feel pain for God to forgive the rest of us (why do you think God is so cruel)
Dear brother Rayaan,

I understand what you are saying, that was also hard for me to understand as a Muslim, but why in Islam we slaughter animals during Hajj & when someone born, why in Judaism they were slaughtering animals in the OT, that is all part of the sacrifice theory, now if one or two animals considered to be a sacrifice for one human-being, then what is the logical answer if I want to sacrifice for the whole human-beings, the logical answer would be to sacrifice someone extraordinary, someone very valuable, someone who is sinless, but who is the sinless from the human-being, they all have sinned (1), therefore, God The Most High had to send his Word to this world (2) (Jesus = God’s Word in flesh = Immanuel (3)), I know its hard to understand it as a Muslim, I also took a lot of time to understand that.

Moreover, since the sin has entered this world through one person (Adam) and fell upon all humanity descending from him, logically it should exit also through one person (Jesus) and all humanity should be saved by him, here is the actual quote from the Bible:

12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come. 15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ. 18Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.(4).

If you really want to find out the truth, there is no better than God The Most High, pray for him to show you the true path.

**(1) **(Romans 3:23).
(2) (John 1:1-2).
(3) (Isaiah 7:14).
**(4) **(Romans 5:12-19).
 
You people don’t answer my questions, you skirt around them…

All the prophets successfully completed there missions, there missions were simple (in one sense) they just had to reveal the message of God to humanity, that was it, many prophets went through immensely hard times to spread the will of God…

It was then up to humanity to follow Gods will, it was human corruption and free will which allowed the corruption, humanity always put its own interests ahead of Gods will…

This was destiny, it was meant to occur.

This was until the seal of the prophets when the final testament which could never be corrupted was sent…

All this stuff about trinity and human sacrafice is nonsense, No prophet mentioned the trinity, not Adam, no Noah, not moses not even Jesus.

It was YOU Christians who began to corrupt Gods will so much that you made a man deity out of Jesus, you are not only confusing everybody else you are confusing yourself…

Sam, sheep aren’t humans…

Christians aren’t saying they sacrificed a sheep.

They are saying that JESUS IS GOD,

and

GOD WAS TORTURED AND CRUCIFIED,

so that

GOD COULD FORGIVE THE REST FO HUMANITY FOR SIN…

Why would God want the slaughter and Crucifixion of HIMSELF by men to forgive the rest of humanity forever.

P.S- Muslims do not believe in Original sin,
YOUR sins are YOURS, MY sins are mine. I answer for my life and my actions.

God does not pass the sins of others onto you…
 
You people don’t answer my questions, you skirt around them…
All the prophets successfully completed there missions, there missions were simple (in one sense) they just had to reveal the message of God to humanity, that was it, many prophets went through immensely hard times to spread the will of God…
 
You people don’t answer my questions, you skirt around them…
This is basically because you try to question Christian tenets through your subjective comments that present Christianity as a religion alien to us Christian believers.
All the prophets successfully completed there missions, there missions were simple (in one sense) they just had to reveal the message of God to humanity, that was it, many prophets went through immensely hard times to spread the will of God…

It was then up to humanity to follow Gods will, it was human corruption and free will which allowed the corruption, humanity always put its own interests ahead of Gods will…

This was destiny, it was meant to occur.

This was until the seal of the prophets when the final testament which could never be corrupted was sent…
This Islamic assertion, which apparently bases the Koran and the validity of Mohammad’s prophetic ministry on the crucial failure of all the former incompetent messengers, was derived by Muslims who could not rebut the Christian belief that there was no need for a new revelation and messenger.

Christianity, unlike Islam, never taught that Christ’s mission was a natural and inevitable result of the Old Testament’s corruption. Consequently, the apostles and the Evangelists recurrently referred to the Jewish Scripture while proclaiming Jesus as the Messiah. This indicated a continuity and consistency in God’s revelation to mankind. Islam, on the other hand, was obliged to fabricate the theory of corruption in order to make people embrace Islam as the only true religion and deny the former revelations solely because they were not compatible with the teachings of the Koran.

Rather sadly, Muslims today suffer from a crisis related to the Holy Bible and cannot let themselves free from the grip of a paradox: they both believe that the former revelations were corrupted out of a necessity and that the Koran was sent to confirm those former revelations.

If the traditional Islamic theory of corruption is true and that the supposed corruption was meant to be, this leads one to the conclusion that Allah is also crucially responsible for the disbelief of Jews and Christians in the Koran and Mohammad. This is because the former revelations which had been primarily sent to teach humanity the true religion and prepare them for the Koran were meant to be corrupted and thus were meant to lead people believing in their divine origin and authority astray. This theory eventually reflects self-denial in that the crucial corruption of the former revelations makes Allah’s aim to teach people the truth through his books absolutely null.
All this stuff about trinity and human sacrafice is nonsense, No prophet mentioned the trinity, not Adam, no Noah, not moses not even Jesus.
First, all the verses in the Koran denying the Christian Trinitarian belief reflect Mohammad’s scribes’ failure to grasp the doctrine as they are supported by mistaken presumptions and weak arguments.

Second, the idea of a human sacrifice is present in the Koran in the account of Abraham’s test by Allah and his will to sacrifice his only son.

Last, none of the prophets in the Bible mentions Islam, Mohammad, or Koran. They never support the Islamic assertion about the crucial textual corruption either.
It was YOU Christians who began to corrupt Gods will so much that you made a man deity out of Jesus, you are not only confusing everybody else you are confusing yourself.
And Allah was unable to correct such a big mistake and deviation in his religion before Christianity became a universal religion? It is uncanny that Allah had to wait for 600 years to send Mohammad and correct basic Christian tenets. I thought Muslims believed in Allah’s omnipotence, but this somehow entails otherwise.
Christians aren’t saying they sacrificed a sheep.

They are saying that JESUS IS GOD,

and

GOD WAS TORTURED AND CRUCIFIED,

so that

GOD COULD FORGIVE THE REST FO HUMANITY FOR SIN…

Why would God want the slaughter and Crucifixion of HIMSELF by men to forgive the rest of humanity forever.
It is impossible for men to save themselves from slavery to sin and death. GOD brought out the redemption through His Son, who became one of them by taking their human nature so that depraved human nature could be exalted back to its original state. This is so simple.
P.S- Muslims do not believe in Original sin,
YOUR sins are YOURS, MY sins are mine. I answer for my life and my actions.

God does not pass the sins of others onto you…
We Christians also believe that every mortal is responsible for one’s personal sins. However, Jesus was no ordinary man!!! He is the only Savior and true man with divine authority to redeem us and the only one to carry our sins because He is not affected by the original sin.

Finally, you somehow ignore the fact that Adam’s sin was not personal. The whole human race was affected by his banishment from the Garden.
 
One from an Iranian director:
chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/religion/5749279.html

And the other one from a Jordanian director:
alarabiya.net/articles/2008/05/01/49224.html

Shame on those Islamic countries, they want to brainwash the Muslim population there, how come they are telling a fake story about Jesus, will Muslims be happy if a Christian director produced a movie about Muhammad showing his false prophecy as mentioned in the Bible (1), his marriage of 6 years old girl (2), and how he slept with 9 wives in the same night to fulfill his sexual desires (3).
How hypocritical for Muslims to show Jesus in person but they refuse to show Mohammed. Muslims falsely claim they honor all alleged prophets the same but they disrespect Jesus even by their own rules.
 
How hypocritical for Muslims to show Jesus in person but they refuse to show Mohammed. Muslims falsely claim they honor all alleged prophets the same but they disrespect Jesus even by their own rules.
that is why Muslims are against this movie, but its writer wants to proceed regardless, as says the arabic link.

The Copt Christians refused this film that contradicts our belief and call it an insult.
 
that is why Muslims are against this movie, but its writer wants to proceed regardless, as says the arabic link.

The Copt Christians refused this film that contradicts our belief and call it an insult.
Thank you. I find that interesting. It makes telling the story difficult when you cannot focus on the main character whether it is Mohammed or Jesus.
 
I think you’re all seriously over-reacting. They’re just movies about Jesus, there’s nothing disrespect about them at all (as if anyone would produce such a film in the Muslim world).

Not everyone believes the same things about Jesus as Christians do.
The problem is anyone producing a movie about Muhammad not in accordance to the muslims believe, will be subjected to death penalty. Well, not everyone believes the same things about Muhammad as Muslims do.

That is interesting anyway, because next we will have a movie about Jesus according to the Ahmadians.
 
When those books became corrupt Allah sent the final Testament the Quraan…

In which he corrected all the corruptions…
Dear Ryaan,

Do you believe that Allah is merciful? Why did in Torah God said that “Thou shall not kill” remember there is no “but” and “no exception” the way the Torah wrote. Then you claim the Quran as the correction of those corrupted book which (a) allows you to kill and slaughter others, and (b) allows you to lie. In those two cases, all buts and exceptions were there in the Quran. Is that what you call by correction? Giving “Buts” and “Exceptions” of God’s previously given laws? What a strange idea of “Merciful God” to me.
 
read sura 9:5,29,38,39.you will find about jihad.so this terrorism came from quran.its against christians,jews and also pagans.so they never can be friends to other.they are neither parent nor siblings.they are just muslims.if any1 will change then their family will kill them.so?muslims always think in their mind that we are their enemy.specially christian i guess cuz we are large in numbers.so prevent them by the name of jesus.amen
**Dear morning_star, that Jihad is against the enemies of truth. It can be done with words only and with time and money too. But if the devils (enemies) come to attack the peaceful people with swords then the Muslims are allowed to fight back with swords.

Please do not worry. Nobody is going to kill you if you are peaceful person. And nobody would stop you from your propagation (preachings) if you are peaceful and truthful.

Jesus was trying to do the same thing. But his enemies overtook him too quickly. So he could not accomplish the desired result in his native country. Now the christians have lost all the good teachings of Jesus and they are wandering into idle fields like original sin and atonement and Father God and Son God and another Spirit God. All wrong.

Jesus never preached even one day that he was God. So the present day bible theory is all wrong and not applicable. Could you tell me what your christian leaders were doing as Crusaders? What was that if it was not in the bible then what should we call the Crusaids? That was a Jihad of the christians against Muslims ( and some christians in Palestine). Because those Crusaiders killed many christians too. What will you say about That? Was that your Jihad?.**
 
The problem is anyone producing a movie about Muhammad not in accordance to the muslims believe, will be subjected to death penalty.
Well, he would be even if he does it according to Islamic view, simply saying, Islamic clerics won’t allow any person to produce any type of movie about Muhammed.
 
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