Two Questions about "if we die in mortal sin we go to hell"

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Can somone please explain to me what it means that
“if we die in mortal sin we go to hell”
I have two questions:

Does this mean if somone masturbates then a plane crashed into his/her roof and kills him/her she is now condemned for mortally sinning without obtaining forgiveness? (and Doesnt this undo Calvary, Baptism and the Eucharist)

And what did Christ’s death on the Cross win for us if we are still justified by faith AND works.

These pesky Lutherans keep confusin me, sending me back here.
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Agnus_Dei:
Can somone please explain to me what it means that
“if we die in mortal sin we go to hell”
I have two questions:

Does this mean if somone masturbates then a plane crashed into his/her roof and kills him/her she is now condemned for mortally sinning without obtaining forgiveness? (and Doesnt this undo Calvary, Baptism and the Eucharist)

And what did Christ’s death on the Cross win for us if we are still justified by faith AND works.

These pesky Lutherans keep confusin me, sending me back here.
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Remember Paul also says that we are saved by Hope. But in any case the issue is that most of use do not realize what the big deal is with mortal sin. Sometimes we have a hard time understanding that only one will cause us to lose Heaven if we die in that state. Remember that mortal sin is a grave offense against God Himself because it is dissenting from His will in a complete way. In effect a single mortal sin is turning our back on the love of God and this is why we lose the virtue of Charity when we do this. This is not contrary to the Cross and the salvific aspects that flow forth from the atonement. Baptism frees us from mortal sin and actual sin and infuses the theological virtues into our soul. It opens to us the possibility of heaven. I say the possibility because God truly loves us and allows us freedom. We are truly free to chose Him or not choose Him.
The question one must ask themselves is “Would I desire a person to love me freely or would I prefer a person to love my by force?” Which of these is a greater love?
 
  1. Yes, if someone freely chooses to masturbate knowing that it is gravely wrong and then dies without repenting they will end up in hell.
  2. This does not go against the sacraments or Calvary because those are God’s ways of offering us grace; but when we commit mortal sin we reject and lose the grace of God so how can we get the benefits that the grace would give us?
  3. Christ’s death on the cross made it possible for man to be reconciled with God, and opened up the way to heaven. However, man has to choose to be reconciled with God and to accept God’s grace. This requires faith - but also, faith without works is dead. God said “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” We can’t say that we love God and that we want to be reconciled with God if in our life we only do bad works rather than good works and don’t repent our actions.
  4. If these Lutherans are bothering you, just tell them to rack off - tell them that you are Catholic and that their questions aren’t going to make you lose your faith so they may as well save their breath for something useful.
 
Do those pesky Lutherans think that anything could send them to hell? Suppose they were torturing and murdering little children when the plane crashed into the house? Would they go to hell then? If so, then they are just upset about the Church’s teachings on sexual sin, not sin in general. They want to abuse their sexual natures and sexual gifts without consequence.
 
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Agnus_Dei:
Can somone please explain to me what it means that
“if we die in mortal sin we go to hell”
I have two questions:
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your statement should read “If we die with unrepented mortal sin on our soul we go to hell.” You left out the most important word. A lot can happen to the soul in the time from the airplane door until the body hits the ground. A lot can go on in the soul when the rest of the world thinks the body is brain dead, in a coma or so-called vegetative state (not a medical term, people are not vegetables). God does not require that activity of the intellect to work in souls and impart his grace.
 
I know that I may have started this thread as St. Paul writes
“With ears itching for what they want to hear”
And I didnt hear it. I dont know how in the world somone can be baptized, recieve Christ’s body and blood, have true faith and strengthen that faith with works than fall into temptation, masturbate and unexpectadly die.
Then hear Jesus say, “I never knew you”
That makes God seem much less a God of love and more like a God obsessed with the scales of judgement, without mercy, and without understanding.

We know that Peter sinned, and as a human was subject to mortal sin, so if he mortally sinned then was siezed by Roman persecutores and killed on the spot, St. peter would be in hell!
Blasphemy.

Im not trying to be dissrespectful, im confused, and I want and seek help.
 
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Agnus_Dei:
We know that Peter sinned
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we know that Peter repented.
we know that Peter was a saint. We know that Peter was a martyr. We know that Peter reigns in heaven with Christ.
 
i agree
but my scenario was hypthetical
and im looking for a direct answer to the question on this thread
not a discussion on st peter
 
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Agnus_Dei:
i agree
but my scenario was hypthetical
and im looking for a direct answer to the question on this thread
not a discussion on st peter
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what do you want to know?
if masturbation sends you to heaven?
any mortal sin sends you to hell.
are you clear what a mortal sin is?
 
Yes I’m clear on what a mortal sin is.
What I am not clear on, and what i want to know is,
how can commiting a mortal sin and then immediatly (in the most literal sense) dying afterwards can damn you despite lets say
recieving communion and absolution earlier that day.
Provided you are also baptized, and full of faith in Christ.
With a clean slate of good works to help beef up your faith.
 
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Agnus_Dei:
Yes I’m clear on what a mortal sin is.
What I am not clear on, and what i want to know is,
how can commiting a mortal sin and then immediatly (in the most literal sense) dying afterwards can damn you despite lets say
recieving communion and absolution earlier that day.
Provided you are also baptized, and full of faith in Christ.
With a clean slate of good works to help beef up your faith.
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well, you know that “good works” only serve you in a state of grace, that is to say: without mortal sin.

you also know that each second we die.
each second of our lives we are dying.
 
This is just horrible news.
That masturbating once while some roof top sniper has his target on your head, and then getting shot during or therafter.
Can forfit everything in your life, all the graces you have obtained through the Sacraments, your faith in Christ, your love of God, your devotion to the Word, and especially your trust in the awesome event of Calvary.
Horible, horrible news, I feel like crying.
Almost as if the light of the Catholic Church as I once saw it,
as a Pillar and Foundation of Truth,
had been snuffed out.

Christ’s death is meaningless, if it can be put in vain
by one simple sin right before you die,
without a chance to repent.

Horrible…
 
I’ll leave a direct response to someone else, and instead I’ll ask you a question:

Why do you think Jesus spent more time telling us about Hell than telling us about Heaven?

God Bless,
RyanL
 
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Agnus_Dei:
Christ’s death is meaningless, if it can be put in vain by one simple sin right before you die, without a chance to repent.
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do not blow things out of proportion…
are you talking about a “simple sin” or a “mortal sin”?
do you understand that “simple sin” (may i say “venial sin”?) and “mortal sin” are not the same?
 
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Agnus_Dei:
Christ’s death is meaningless, if it can be put in vain
by one simple sin right before you die,
without a chance to repent.

Horrible…
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So if you reject God’s free gift of salvation knowingly and willfully and don’t repent, you should be forced to acept that gift anyway? Free will is a dangerous thing, but is necessary if we aren’t to be loveless robots.

I didn’t realize rejecting God’s gift of salvation was “simple”, either. It’s not something you do on accident.
 
Well until I get a direct response…

Ill just comment on what you said.

Why did Jesus tell us more about Hell than Heaven?
Becuase when he came to Earth, heaven touched down on earth as well.

Salvation was with us, side by side with us.

To think that the criminal next to Christ (not the repentant one)
might have repented within the next five minutes, seeing Jesus next to him, and putting all his faith in him, but unfortunatly got his legs broken and died is strange to me.

I never knew God followed the logic of
“Tough Luck”
 
Yes I understand what a mortal sin is.
masturbation is a mortal sin.
And that is what im referring to.
But it could be any other mortal sin.
Im just using that cause its something that tends to be an issue
among most of us.
 
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Agnus_Dei:
Yes I’m clear on what a mortal sin is.
What I am not clear on, and what i want to know is,
how can commiting a mortal sin and then immediatly (in the most literal sense) dying afterwards can damn you despite lets say
recieving communion and absolution earlier that day.
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I think you need to face the full implications of your question. For example, you ask about having received communion and absolution earlier in the day. Do you think there is some time period of immunity from deadly sin? Like if you commit the sin the same day you’re OK, but a week later it’s deadly?

Now, as to receiving communion and absolution and then committing a grave sin against God with full knowledge and full consent, do people really do that? Do they really go to confession, go to communion, and then go home and commit a grave sin with full knowledge and consent? Can you imagine somebody behaving that way? I sure can’t.

Further, as to dying immediately after one commits a mortal sin, no sin is mortal without full knowledge and consent. Therefore, you know it’s mortal when you do it. If you’re not repentant right away, who’s to say you’ll be repentant later? What about a person who dies a week after committing a mortal sin without repenting? Maybe they would have repented after another week. What about dying a year later without repenting? Maybe they would have repented after another year. I think your focus on the time element is leading you to unwarranted assumptions about what is just and what is unjust, as far as God’s actions go.
 
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Agnus_Dei:
Well until I get a direct response…

Ill just comment on what you said.

Why did Jesus tell us more about Hell than Heaven?
Becuase when he came to Earth, heaven touched down on earth as well.

Salvation was with us, side by side with us.

To think that the criminal next to Christ (not the repentant one)
might have repented within the next five minutes, seeing Jesus next to him, and putting all his faith in him, but unfortunatly got his legs broken and died is strange to me.

I never knew God followed the logic of
“Tough Luck”
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this was meant for RyanL btw
 
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Agnus_Dei:
To think that the criminal next to Christ (not the repentant one)
might have repented within the next five minutes, seeing Jesus next to him, and putting all his faith in him, but unfortunatly got his legs broken and died is strange to me.
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just imitate the repentant one.
 
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