U.S. Catholic-Muslim dialogue launched, Chicago Archbishop Cupich to co-chair

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(RNS) The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops announced Monday (Feb. 8) that it was starting a new National Catholic-Muslim Dialogue group, an initiative driven in part by growing anti-Islamic sentiment that many bishops have denounced.
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“As the national conversation around Islam grows increasingly fraught, coarse and driven by fear and often willful misinformation, the Catholic Church must help to model real dialogue and good will,” Bishop Mitchell T. Rozanski of Springfield, Massachusetts., said in a statement.
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Rozanski is head of the bishops’ ecumenical and interreligious committee, which has sponsored three regional Catholic-Muslim dialogues during the past two decades.
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What is the purpose of the dialog? Better understanding? Then Muslims need to preach in our churches and our priests need to preach in their mosques.
 
808Catholic said:
What is the purpose of the dialog?
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Assuming this is a legitimate question and not rhetoric…

"… greater understanding, mutual esteem and collaboration between Muslims and Catholics, and the members have established lasting ties of friendship and a deep sense of trust,”
 
pnewton said:
Assuming this is a legitimate question and not rhetoric…

"… greater understanding, mutual esteem and collaboration between Muslims and Catholics, and the members have established lasting ties of friendship and a deep sense of trust,”
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And when we have “greater understanding”, what next? Do we continue to fight over who’s dogma is correct? Does one religion go “oh yeah, I see where we’re all wrong” and join the other?

Mutual esteem requires something that is not within the control of either party. It would take both religions to agree to disagree but amicably.

Collaboration is possible because both our religions actually do have outward signs that are compatible. For example, we both care for the poor and needy though there are times the Muslims don’t care for ALL the poor and needy and some do kill the poor and needy.

I’m not trying to be provocative but I am trying to understand the purpose of these talks. How Catholic/Christians view discussions are not the same as how Muslims may perceive the discussions.
 
808Catholic said:
Do we continue to fight over who’s dogma is correct?
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Christians have fought against each other for exactly the same reason; now we can pray together and pray for each other and share in doing good deeds.

We should be able to forge these same kind of relationships, with non - Christians, there are choices involved. One set of choices, forgiveness, mercy, compassion and kindness will lead to living peacefully together, the other choices of fighting evil with evil, will lead to more animosity and conflict.

Someone has to lead the way towards peace, and yes there are risks, I look to Nelson Mandela for inspiration.
 
808Catholic said:
And when we have “greater understanding”, what next?
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I was just answering the question by giving the answer Bishop Rozanski gave. As to what will be next, that remains to see where we are. I once heard faith described as doing the best we can as we understand God leads us and leaving the results to him.
 
I don’t understand why Catholics should even bother with dialogue with the mohammedan religious community because they refuse to accept responsibility for the violence against Eastern Catholic and orthodox in the middle east.

Catholics are always being criticized for the Crusades eventhough they were completely justified by the Church and Christ as a just war.

I wish that Catholics would simply not care about what others religions think of us.
 
Trad_Catholic27 said:
I don’t understand why Catholics should even bother with dialogue with the mohammedan religious community because they refuse to accept responsibility for the violence against Eastern Catholic and orthodox in the middle east.

Catholics are always being criticized for the Crusades eventhough they were completely justified by the Church and Christ as a just war.

I wish that Catholics would simply not care about what others religions think of us.
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The thing is, we live in the 21st century, that these other faith systems are there, there are differences between said faith systems and religions, and I do think that dialogue is possible between people with differing beliefs. We live in the real world here, not in heaven where everyone is in perfect agreement. 🤷
 
Our Lord created the Catholic Church has the only True Faith and calls all of humanity to enter into it.

The Church needs to stop trying to please other false religions and urge them to convert to Catholicism.
 
Trad_Catholic27 said:
The Church needs to stop trying to please other false religions and urge them to convert to Catholicism.
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How does one convert them without talking? How can one be able to talk if they are a source of displeasure to the one whom they wish to speak to?
 
I didn’t say that we should not speak to them or treat them with out kindness.

When I talk about the Church trying to please other false religions such as Islam. I am talking about certain Catholics who think that ecumenism is about ignoring our differences between us and telling them that the Church is fine with them staying where they are in their false religion because everyone goes to heaven no matter what religion you are
 
Trad_Catholic27 said:
I didn’t say that we should not speak to them or treat them with out kindness.
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Well, what do you think a dialogue is, if not talking or speaking to someone with kindness? :confused:
Trad_Catholic27 said:
When I talk about the Church trying to please other false religions such as Islam. I am talking about certain Catholics who think that ecumenism is about ignoring our differences between us and telling them that the Church is fine with them staying where they are in their false religion because everyone goes to heaven no matter what religion you are
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I don’t think anyone here said that…?
 
Dialogue is pointing out errors in false religions by using the Bible along with quotes from the Early Church Fathers and urging conversion to the Faith.

I know nobody here said that. But I have met many Catholics who think that way.

No matter what happens with this dialogue between Catholicism and Islam. The Muslim community will still keep killing Catholics and orthodox in middle east because their Quran orders them to it
 
Trad_Catholic27 said:
Dialogue is pointing out errors in false religions by using the Bible along with quotes from the Early Church Fathers and urging conversion to the Faith.
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Erm… :rolleyes: :whistle: I think you missed the part where I said this is the 21st century. There is a whole historical, cultural, religious, ethnic, etc. context here that cannot quite simply be shoved aside, and have it replaced with the (albeit true) voice of Tradition, written and oral, transmitted down through the ages in the Catholic Church.
Trad_Catholic27 said:
I know nobody here said that. But I have met many Catholics who think that way.
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That may be so, but on this thread, I haven’t seen one yet, and the discussion on this thread is what we’re talking about. 🤷
Trad_Catholic27 said:
No matter what happens with this dialogue between Catholicism and Islam. The Muslim community will still keep killing Catholics and orthodox in middle east because their Quran orders them to it
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Yes, crazed Islamists and fundamentalists are going to continue to exist regardless of any peaceful debates and dialogues between Christian clergy and Muslim Muftis. That unfortunately goes without saying. 🤷
 
This is great! 👍

I’m not a Catholic, but I see so much hatred towards Muslims, in my own church and on this very site. For as long as I’ve been lurking, I rarely ever see anything positive said about Muslims. Hopefully this will stop some of the vitriol aimed at innocent Muslim men and women.

We may not believe that their religion is “correct”, so to speak, but how can we convert without kindness and understanding?
 
Trad_Catholic27 said:
When I talk about the Church trying to please other false religions such as Islam. I am talking about certain Catholics who think that ecumenism is about ignoring our differences between us and telling them that the Church is fine with them staying where they are in their false religion because everyone goes to heaven no matter what religion you are
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Ah. Then lest we talk past each other, I was mainly referring to dialogue among the leadership. They understand what you are saying, though it is true there are many among the laity that err in different ways in understanding what ecumenism is and isn’t.
Dialogue is pointing out errors in false religions by using the Bible along with quotes from the Early Church Fathers and urging conversion to the Faith.
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This is apologetics. Dialogue, by definition, is a two-way conversation, listening as much as talking. It is also about more than conversion. Dialogue can be about issues and addressing common social ills, like abortion, pornography, divorce, social injustice, etc. Dialogue can also be about common worship, since it is Catholic dogma that we both worship the one true God.
 
I find it hard to accept the idea that Catholics and Muslims worship the same God.

Can anyone explain to me why I should accept this as true
and are there any Saints of the Catholic Church who accepted this teaching.

Was this believed before Vatican II?
 
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