U.S. Catholicism: Decline and Fall

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U.S. Catholicism: Decline and Fall

December 26th, 2009

The decline of the Catholic Church in the United States and in Europe is apparent to anyone who looks at the statistics. The American statistics would be comparable to the far worse European ones if it were not for the influx of Hispanic, Vietnamese, and Filipino Catholics. Catholics of European descent are a vanishing race.

The 2009 Catholic directory reported:

—There were 191,265 church-recognized marriages in the year ending Jan. 1, 2009, more than 5,000 fewer than the year before.

— Confirmations numbered more than 622,000, down about 8,500 from the previous year.

— First Communions numbered nearly 822,000, a drop of about 1,300.

— Infant baptisms totaled more than 887,000, down by almost 16,000.

— Adult baptisms and receptions into full communion totaled more than 124,000, a decline of more than 12,000 from the previous year.

This decline in sacramental practice occurred when the number of Catholics was, according to the Church directory, increasing.

The decline in some places (such as Quebec) began before Vatican II, but the years after Vatican II have seen an accelerating decline. Some blame the Council itself, saying that the Church was doing fine and should not have changed. Others say that the failure to make enough changes is the cause of the decline.

The proponents of more changes want the Catholic Church to follow the example of the Episcopal Church in accepting married priests, women priests, homosexual marriages, contraception, abortion, lay governance etc. But the Episcopal Church is in even steeper decline. Why should the Catholic Church not follow the same path if it adopts the same policies?

Those who want the Church to return to 1950 point to the relative stability or success of conservative Protestant churches. But the worship of these churches is often either charismatic or media-saturated, about as far from the 1950 Tridentine mass as one can get.

From my limited point of view, I think that the sudden and autocratic changes in Catholic life which were imposed autocratically by the Vatican on the advice of a handful of theological experts, was one source of the decline. Catholics had developed habits: the Latin mass, Marian devotions, fish on Fridays, the Baltimore Catechism. Suddenly, overnight everything was gone. It is always harder to start a new good habit, and many people just drifted away. Whatever the value of the reforms, the way they were imposed was bound to cause damage.

In an attempt to overcome the hostile, fortress mentality that characterized Catholicism, Vatican II opened new doors to ecumenism and to a less hostile attitude to other religious and philosophies. But this was rapidly interpreted to mean indifferentism: one religion is as good as another, the differences mean little or nothing.

The legalism that characterized 1950 Catholicism has been succeeded by antinomianism especially in sexual matters: anything that is socially acceptable goes. The Catholic Theological Society has defended about any sexual perversion that one can imagine, and lay Catholics have assimilated the message.

Larry R. Petersen, Gregory V. Donnerwerth in “Secularization and the Influence of Religion on Beliefs about Premarital Sex” (Social Forces, Vol. 75, 1997) analyze changes in attitudes to pre-marital sex among Catholics and Protestants and conclude:

The findings indicate that among conservative Protestants who attended church often there was no decline in support for traditional beliefs about premarital sex between 1972 and 1993. On the other hand, support for such beliefs declined significantly among mainline Protestants and Catholics at all levels of church attendance and among conservatives who were infrequent attenders.

Secularity, or worldliness as it used to be called, is not the inevitable winner in the contest with Christianity. The Catholic Church adopted policies that allowed secularism to erode Catholic belief and practice. Some of the policies were changes that upset established routines. In addition, while continuing to maintain traditional doctrine, the hierarchy allowed corrosive ideas to circulate, and sometimes even discouraged the laity who tried to defend traditional teachings – such conservatives were seen as disruptive. Episcopal toleration extended to the advocacy and practice of pedophilia (Paul Shanley).

Apart from the bishops, the Catholic establishment in the United States (chanceries, colleges, universities, religious orders) would like to see Catholic sexual morality become a dead letter: an interesting intellectual curiosity, like the strictures against usury, that might contain a gleam of wisdom but would not usually affect the way Catholics behaved in either their public or private lives.

Bishops are careerists and balance their need to impress the Vatican with their orthodoxy against the reality that most of the members of the Catholic Church in the United States, including the members who supposedly transmit traditional teaching, do not accept that teaching. These are the people who pay the bills and give the Catholic Church the illusion that it has an influence in the public sphere.

Such a compromise with worldliness does not even maintain Catholic numbers. If the Catholic Church is so meaningless, why bother with it? Why get up on Sunday morning to hear third-rate music and intellectual pablum? If you take the Gospel seriously, you are more to end up in a conservative Protestant church which, for all its limitations, has not surrendered, on some key issues that affect daily life, to the world.
 
Cincinnati and the Decline of Catholicism

Leon J. Podles :: Dialogue
December 26th, 2009

podles.org/dialogue/cincinnati-and-the-decline-of-catholicism-271.htm

1982
2009

Priests
882
482

Parishes
256
220

Seminarians
89
28

Catholic school students
38,531
30,212

Catholic population
506,000
476,189

Catholic marriages
4,427
2,112

This is the table for the Cincinnati Inquirer that shows the state of the Catholic Church in 1982 when he became the archbishop of Cincinnati and as it is today when he leaves it.

Ohio is a declining state, and the small shrinkage in parishes and number of Catholics and Catholic school students is not unexpected.

However, the decline in the number of priests, seminarians, and especially marriages shows that the level of adult commitment to Catholicism is about half what it is when he took over. The decline in marriages is especially significant. It would be interesting to see the figures for baptism and confirmation.

Usually such massive declines have occurred only in times of extreme crisis such as the Reformation or the French Revolution. To have such a decline (and it is paralleled in other areas of North America and Europe) shows that the Catholic Church s undergoing a crisis as severe as the better known historical ones.

Yet Pilarczyk thinks that all is basically well, at least in the areas that he controls:

“We have to avoid the trap of equating numbers with quality. Would I be happier if we had more priests? Sure I would. But it doesn’t mean catastrophe has struck because we have fewer … Today we’ve got lay ministers and professional people working with the priests. In the old days, there was a pastor, a school principal and a maintenance man. Today, (the pastor) has a staff.”

Pilarczyk blames “secularity” but conservative Protestant churches have shown vitality during the same period. The Gallup Poll shows that as Catholic attendance has declined, Protestant attendance has risen.

In 1955, adult Catholics of all ages attended church at similar rates, with between 73% and 77% saying they attended in the past week. By the mid-1960s, weekly attendance of young Catholics (those 21 to 29 years of age) started to wane, falling to 56%, while attendance among other age groups dropped only slightly, to around 70%. By the mid-1970s, only 35% of Catholics in their 20s said they had attended in the past week, but attendance was also starting to fall among those in their 30s, 40s, and 50s.

Attendance for most of the groups continued to fall from the 1970s to the 1990s. However, over the past decade it has generally stabilized, particularly among Catholics in their 20s and 30s.

Across this entire period, attendance among Catholics aged 60 and older has dropped from 73% to 58%.

But if “secularity” is the cause of this drop in Church attendance why has Protestant attendance risen?

The picture in attendance by age is entirely different among Protestants. Apart from a temporary dip in weekly church attendance among 21- to 29-year-old Protestants in the 1960s and 1970s, attendance has stayed the same or increased among all the age groups. It even rebounded among young Protestants in the 1980s, and is now close to 1950s levels.

Because the liberal, main-line churches are in long-term decline, this increase must be in the more conservative churches.

Pilarczyk may have saved the finances of the archdiocese by setting aside 3 M for victims (although I estimate the life-long financial damage to each victim at 500,000 – 1,000,000) but he has not saved the heart of the church– but that is not his concern.
 
Well it is up to the new priests to save the church. Roman Catholics must go back to traditional Catholicism and reclaim their identity and beliefs.
 
These are sad statistics. You two posters seems very smart, please inform as many as possible around you about this upcoming world youth day in 2011 in Madrid, Spain. I know the youth from USA need this event badly. The last WYD in Syndey gave me courage to see so many young people following Peter and I know this upcoming one will help the American youth.
 
WYD troubles me - I am 23- during the reign of the Venerable John Paul II, the events overall feelings were not very traditional or orthodox.
 
podles.org/dialogue/us-catholicism-decline-and-fall-272.htm

U.S. Catholicism: Decline and Fall

December 26th, 2009

The decline of the Catholic Church in the United States and in Europe is apparent to anyone who looks at the statistics. The American statistics would be comparable to the far worse European ones if it were not for the influx of Hispanic, Vietnamese, and Filipino Catholics. Catholics of European descent are a vanishing race.
I see the numbers, however I do not agree that a lack of Latin Masses is responsible for the decline.

In my diocese the majority of the population is of European descent and non-Catholic. There are large numbers of ex-Catholics and completely unchurched people. A significant number of the Protestants, especially blue-collar people, are church-hoppers looking for their spiritual home. Even among the Catholics, an enormous number are twice-a-year Mass attenders, as evidenced by those in attendance last week.

Do you know what the outreach is for these people? Nothing.

We have outreach programs for Hispanic, Vietnamese and African-American people. If these communities need special attention, fine. But there is nothing for people of European descent. Given that this is a “catholic” Church, it seems unusual that there is no “catholic” outreach. I can’t tell you how many lifelong residents I have met who were unaware that the city even had any Catholic churches (we have five - and two schools).

How about those Catholic schools? When I was a child, these were affordable options for blue collar families who could send their five or eight kids to be taught by Catholic nuns in Catholic schools without too much of a financial burden. Today these cost $5,000 per year per child. That eliminates any blue collar folks with normal-sized Catholic families - especially when they see that the nuns from their youth have cast aside their habits as well as their commitment to teach, and left the teaching to anyone, Catholic or no, who will take the job.

And if these regular folks are in a real financial bind - not uncommon in this locality - that’s too bad, because CCD is not free here and if your child is of an age for a sacrament then extra charges apply. I know of families that stopped attended Mass because they were ashamed of being unable to pay these fees. Those children will not be back.

Needless to say, the children of these families would not be flying around the world for WYD, even in the best of times, although I am happy that the rich kids of the world have found something nice to do. More power to them.

If there is an episcopal plan to bring the average American into the Church, I certainly have not noticed it. The current plan (as voiced by fellow parishioners) seems to try to survive off of wealthy Boomers and hope the Mexicans become established enough to keep these old parishes running.

Unfortunately, I do not think the clergy have the resources to do any more than they are currently - I have not even been able to get a priest to stop by and bless my house. Too busy. Can’t come over for dinner. Too bad, so sad.

Personally, I feel that excluding all these unchurched non-wealthy non-minority people is short-sighted and foolhardy, but I am not certain what the laity can do to reach out to them. It’s just not fashionable and there is no easy money in it.

However, I feel that is where the long-term solution to America’s declining Catholic population is to be found.

Any suggestions?
 
How about those Catholic schools? When I was a child, these were affordable options for blue collar families who could send their five or eight kids to be taught by Catholic nuns in Catholic schools without too much of a financial burden. Today these cost $5,000 per year per child. That eliminates any blue collar folks with normal-sized Catholic families - especially when they see that the nuns from their youth have cast aside their habits as well as their commitment to teach, and left the teaching to anyone, Catholic or no, who will take the job.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. Catholic schools were predominantly run by nuns and tuitions were, as you said, very affordable. Something like $5 a month or less. They even took on public school children once or twice a week. Becoming a nun at one time was more glamorous than becoming a bride. In fact, the nun became the bride of Christ. The nuns not only ran the schools but they ran the parish events. They ordered church supplies and arranged altars and linens; did everything except say Mass and hear confessions. Yet there were plenty of priests and plenty of Masses and large attendances. Then parishioners left for the suburbs and nuns decided to “unionize.”

Out of Vatican II came a new paradigm of Catholic thinking. The “priesthood of the laity” probably drove many priests to the feel-unwanted status. The nuns saw that they didn’t need to be poor anymore and took on higher paying jobs. So we got probably what we deserved, a modern Church that now kept up with the times. But no one to teach the children.

I noticed someone mentioned Leon J. Poodles. Didn’t he write a book on the feminization of the Christianity or something like that also? This was much more realized during and after the years of the council.
 
Well it is up to the new priests to save the church. Roman Catholics must go back to traditional Catholicism and reclaim their identity and beliefs.
It will be the Traditional Orders who save the Church. They are the real evidence of a New Springtime. The Novus Ordo Priests have their hands tied and they have for the past 40 years. If they are good Priests, they suffer and have to struggle to do anything good. When they do, their Liberal parishioners rise up against them and complain to the Bishop. I know one good Novus Ordo Priest who tried to bring a little sanity back into his parish and was persecuted beyond words. When he preached against contraceptios (a basic teaching of the Church) he was told to mind his own business. He told me that 80% of his parishioners use birth control. In the end, he was run out of his Church and made a assistant Priest to a flaming liberal (altar girls and all the rest). The Bishop made him go through a psychological evaluation, which of course he passed. Now is in at a three month Communist style re-education program to help rid him of his Catholicism (that’s not how they put it, but that is the gist of it). Of course, the liberal Priests are always left alone.

So, you have a good Novus Ordo Priest who is completely persecuted. Nothing new. We’ve been trying to get him to go to the FSSP. I think he is finally considering it.

The only good signs in the Church (in the Latin Rite, anyway) are the Traditional Orders.
 
I have a Protestant friend who thinks he Catholic Church is going to be the religion that stands up for life and turns things around

Her sil is a pastor and according to them much of the protestant church is heading the way of the Anglicans, and the mega churches are more about entertainment than actually giving direction

I have no idea because I am not in a position to know…George Tiller was a Lutheran aborted babies all week and ushered on Sunday at the Lutheran church…

I head an Anglican Bishop say abortion was a blessing…
 
It will be the Traditional Orders who save the Church.
This is exactly it. The ICRSP and FSSP are bursting with vocations in their seminaries in Europe and in the USA. The OF seminaries are empty.
 
The Catholic Church in America is doing far better than the Catholic Church in the UK. I have visited New York City and I was amazed at how vibrant the Catholic community was. For the first time in my life, I actually saw other Catholics my age who were serious about their faith. I saw policemen, firemen, businessmen, students, and families all proudly attending Mass at St. Patrick’s Cathedral. Even the EF Mass at St. Agnes Church was well attended by people of different races and age groups. I was amazed!

From my experience, I can truthfully say that the Church in England is the exact opposite. Our churches are empty. There are very few Catholics under the age of 50. The Church does not really exercise any authority in the public sphere. My diocese has less than 10 seminarians annually.

I wish the UK was more like the USA in this regard.
 
I think 911 might have brought some into a greater appreciation of how short and tenuous.(.We all dangle by a slender thread) our life is

Many of the people that were involved in the rescue services seemed to be catholic.I saw the priest giving them absolution be fore they entered the wreckage
 
In an affluent society, who needs God’s constant help?

Unless individuals feel the need to have God in their lives, they tend to ignore Him and make excuses for ignoring Him. When our temporal needs are well met, we no longer think our spiritual needs - a vibrant relationship with Christ - is important enough to attend Mass every Sunday.

When individuals stop going to Mass every week, that is what their children learn. God becomes less important. Moral behavior wanes. And fewer children think a vocation is important. With fewer vocations we have less inexpensive services like Catholic schools run by Sisters or Brothers. A lay teacher, with a family to support, requires a much higher salary, so many are priced out of Catholic schools.

So the question is,

"How do we get our family and friends to regain their personal feeling that they do need Christ in their lives, especially when they are affluent?"

Folks, right now our affluent society is teetering.
 
As long as people keeping trying to find contentment in stuff they won’t try to find it where it comes with sacrifice…this is not the fault of the church, but their own
 
Our pastor published the parish sacrament information for the year in the Christmas newletter.

Our parish has 938 registered families.

Out of that, we had

83 Baptisms ( that is one of out every 11 families had a baptism this year), that is up 1 from last year

We 57 recieve their First Holy Communions

We had 55 recieve Confirmation.

We had 2 men Ordained the Priesthood. 2 men Ordained to the Diaconate. 1 more will be ordained to the Diaconate ( transitional) in March

We have 6 men studying for the priesthood in the seminary.

We had 3 that took either simple or solemn vows towards religious life.

So yes, there IS great hope for the Church. We just need good preists who teach about sin and the need for the Sacraments.
 
The teachings of the Church are too in-convenient for secular America. Hopefully society will eventually become repulsed by itself and come back to the Church. I’ll pray for that.
 
I completely agree, it’s the traditional side of the Church that will survive. I think at the moment the only place where traditional Catholics can feel at home is in more urban areas that you have a TLM, you have a Catholic school, etc.

True Catholicism must spread like wildfire across Catholics of this country if we have any hope of survival. In the more liberal NO masses, traditions are scrubbed and we lose our Catholic identity, making the Church no different than its enemies.

-Coming from an always traditional Catholic whose life was changed when she attended a Latin mass two days ago:heaven: This is the past and future of the Church. It’s our job to make it the present as well.

(And I think once the post VII generation is gone, this will be much easier. My generation is longing for something else in the Church, but because of our parents lack of interest in tradition we have no means to know what it is we’re longing for.)
 
Personally I dont get it…
Just when things look their worst…people look for something or someone to blame…

Why are you looking at numbers? Why are you looking at the ages of the numbers?

Look at the age which is to come…remember?..Jesus will come again…

Every soul is important yes…but the kingdom of heaven is now…
I’m not saying…not to try to bring people into the church…but if Jesus was a man (the son of GOd as well), and He did much to convert hearts…then imagine what 1,000 believers can do…1 million…1 billion…
oh…if we only realized our untapped potentional…we would draw so many more souls closer to Jesus…if those souls were ready to hear our message…Jesus message…

Thanks be to GOd
 
It will be the Traditional Orders who save the Church. They are the real evidence of a New Springtime. The Novus Ordo Priests have their hands tied and they have for the past 40 years. If they are good Priests, they suffer and have to struggle to do anything good. When they do, their Liberal parishioners rise up against them and complain to the Bishop. I know one good Novus Ordo Priest who tried to bring a little sanity back into his parish and was persecuted beyond words. When he preached against contraceptios (a basic teaching of the Church) he was told to mind his own business. He told me that 80% of his parishioners use birth control. In the end, he was run out of his Church and made a assistant Priest to a flaming liberal (altar girls and all the rest). The Bishop made him go through a psychological evaluation, which of course he passed. Now is in at a three month Communist style re-education program to help rid him of his Catholicism (that’s not how they put it, but that is the gist of it). Of course, the liberal Priests are always left alone.

So, you have a good Novus Ordo Priest who is completely persecuted. Nothing new. We’ve been trying to get him to go to the FSSP. I think he is finally considering it.

As long as the Pope allows the liberal Bishops to remain in power these things will continue. Liberal Catholic have a disgust for real Catholics and real Catholics have a disgust for Liberals. That is the way it is, and they way it will always be. As long as the Liberals remain in power, the real Catholics will be persecuted. In our diocese one of the worst Priests was just made Bishops of the neighboring diocese. The only good signs in the Church (in the Latin Rite, anyway) are the Traditional Orders.
I think the Church faces many challenges, including those individuals who would use a label like “Novus Ordo Priest.” :rolleyes:
 
The Catholic Church in America is doing far better than the Catholic Church in the UK. I have visited New York City and I was amazed at how vibrant the Catholic community was. For the first time in my life, I actually saw other Catholics my age who were serious about their faith. I saw policemen, firemen, businessmen, students, and families all proudly attending Mass at St. Patrick’s Cathedral. Even the EF Mass at St. Agnes Church was well attended by people of different races and age groups. I was amazed!

From my experience, I can truthfully say that the Church in England is the exact opposite. Our churches are empty. There are very few Catholics under the age of 50. The Church does not really exercise any authority in the public sphere. My diocese has less than 10 seminarians annually.

I wish the UK was more like the USA in this regard.
Yet more attend the Catholic Mass then Anglican services in the UK these days.
 
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