U.S. Presidential and High Court treason

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Based on the fact that Christian worship services were held in the U.S. Congressional Chambers, the Senate Chambers and the Supreme Court Building until shortly after the Civil War for a total of about eighty years and that some of our first U.S. Presidents were ordained ministers, some practicing ministers while in office and some attending services in the U.S. Capital building including Thomas Jefferson, the great secularist. Do you believe we the people have a case for treason against the U.S. President and the U.S. Supreme Justices? In the cases of making laws and ignoring long seated practices of the U.S. Nation in general.
 
Do you believe we the people have a case for treason against the U.S. President and the U.S. Supreme Justices?
In a word, “No.”
Oran's Dictionary of the Law:
Treason - …[a]…citizen’s actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]
Doesn’t sound like you are describing the above.
 
Two letters N and O. That is the longest reach in reasoning ive seen in quite a while!🤷
 
In a word, “No.”

Doesn’t sound like you are describing the above.
One of three definitions for treason the third one out of the three is - the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith, treachery.
If a case does not exist under treason perhaps Sedition.
Simply speaking, our government is doing absolutely nothing to advert the erasing of Christian thought and practices in this great nation. Christian thought and morals in the beginning were the foundation of our laws. I simply see the present government as allowing its own constitution to be used for its own destruction.
 
Someone would have to look up exactly what sedition laws are currently in placed and enforced to answer that question. It would not count as treason because while one could argue a definition of the word treason, the only definition that matters legally is what is defined by current law. Treason is defined by article three of the US Constitution.

I’m fairly certain that if there was some magic legal bullet like this, there are plenty of trained Christian lawyers who would have pounced upon it. Thankfully the US government was designed to not be legally swayed by religion.
 
One of three definitions for treason the third one out of the three is - the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith, treachery.
If a case does not exist under treason perhaps Sedition.
Simply speaking, our government is doing absolutely nothing to advert the erasing of Christian thought and practices in this great nation. Christian thought and morals in the beginning were the foundation of our laws. I simply see the present government as allowing its own constitution to be used for its own destruction.
It’s not the job of the government to advert the erasing of Christian thought and practices in this great nation. It’s up to the citizens to do that.
 
It’s not the job of the government to advert the erasing of Christian thought and practices in this great nation. It’s up to the citizens to do that.
This is my point. Our government is allowing the few to do this. The latest offense is the few demands a military base to take down its nativity scene. Their commanding officer then has the nativity scene removed immediately. I venture to guess, this is because these Commanding Officers do not know their U.S. History concerning religion and state coexistence. Our Constitution was partially written to ensure the coexistence of religion and State. Without one governing the other. The U.S. Constitution was not partially written for the complete separation of Church and State. And, by Church and State our founding fathers were referring to the Christian Church, State and Federal governments. Over more than a third of our Nation’s history the Christian Church and our Federal government practiced out of the same buildings. Is this not the greatest evidence for the acceptance of the coexistence of Church and State? Let us not forget. This period was during the first third of our Nation’s history!
What’s next? I want all Church signs and names removed from public visibility. Because, when I go past these buildings I find them to be severely offensive to myself and quizzical to my young family. Which also makes them severely offensive to myself. Or perhaps, this person practices a religion so why is this person governing? We must separate the Church and State completely.
So, I think there may be a case for treason or sedition against the office of President and High Court. Due to their lack of support of the U.S. Constitution. Thus, allowing the Constitution to be used for purposes other then what it was intended for. It seems to me there is clear evidence over the last decade to support the investigation into such a case towards the high government of the United States of America.
 
This is my point. Our government is allowing the few to do this. The latest offense is the few demands a military base to take down its nativity scene. Their commanding officer then has the nativity scene removed immediately. I venture to guess, this is because these Commanding Officers do not know their U.S. History concerning religion and state coexistence.
This would have more to do with the first Amendment. Some government entities have responded by allowing no religious iconography. Other’s have responded by opening up property to being available to both religious and non-religious iconography. Remember that in part the first amendment prohibits giving preference to one religion.
What’s next? I want all Church signs and names removed from public visibility.
Nope, that’s private property, not government property. First Amendment also protects the rights of a Church to have their name displayed on their sign by prohibiting laws impeding the free exercise of religion or abridging the freedom of speech.
 
This would have more to do with the first Amendment. Some government entities have responded by allowing no religious iconography. Other’s have responded by opening up property to being available to both religious and non-religious iconography. Remember that in part the first amendment prohibits giving preference to one religion.

Nope, that’s private property, not government property. First Amendment also protects the rights of a Church to have their name displayed on their sign by prohibiting laws impeding the free exercise of religion or abridging the freedom of speech.
Main article: Establishment Clause

Thomas Jefferson wrote with respect to the First Amendment and its restriction on the legislative branch of the federal government in an 1802 letter[9] to the Danbury Baptists (a religious minority concerned about the dominant position of the Congregationalist church in Connecticut):

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their “legislature” should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

In Reynolds v. United States (1878) the Supreme Court used these words to declare that "it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured. Congress was deprived of all legislative power over mere [religious] opinion, but was left free to reach [only those religious] actions which were in violation of social duties or subversive of good order.” Quoting from Jefferson’s Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom the court stated further in Reynolds:

In the preamble of this act …] religious freedom is defined; and after a recital ‘that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion, and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency, is a dangerous fallacy which at once destroys all religious liberty,’ it is declared ‘that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government for its officers to interfere [only] when [religious] principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order.’ In these two sentences is found the true distinction between what properly belongs to the church and what to the State.

Originally, the First Amendment applied only to the federal government, and some states continued official state religions after ratification. Massachusetts, for example, was officially Congregationalist until the 1830s.[10] In 1947, the U.S. Supreme Court decision Everson v. Board of Education incorporated the Establishment Clause (i.e., made it apply against the states). In the majority decision, Justice Hugo Black wrote,

You see when our government forces a Religion/Church to do what is against Religious/Church Dogma, or considered/known to be in complete violation of Religion/Church opinion or practice, this is illegal. The Religion/Church is the people its members who profess its faith. The Religion/Church is not the building it meets in or its writings. Those are the comforts and professed truths of the Religion/Church which is the people or human members. When the government stands by and does nothing to advert this infringement, the government must have decided to ignore the Constitution and is in violation of the law.

The “establishment of religion” clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion to another … in the words of Jefferson, the [First Amendment] clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect ‘a wall of separation between church and State’ … That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach."[11]

I believe, the state has sorely breached this wall.
 
Simply speaking, our government is doing absolutely nothing to advert the erasing of Christian thought and practices in this great nation.
Is American Christianity so weak that it cannot survive without Government support? I find that surprising.

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It is a general principle of democracy that one elected government cannot bind the one that comes after it. A government may vote something to be legal or illegal, or amend a constitution or whatever, but the one that comes after it is fully entitled to reverse such enactments or change them however it sees fit.

Therefore, what may have been ‘ok’ in the past is not a guide to what should be deemed ‘ok’ today just because it was acceptable then. If that were true, then anyone could sue to reestablish slavery, for example, or remove universal suffrage, simply because such things were different 200 years ago or thereabouts.
 
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