UFO theories on the Fatima Apparitions

[NormalBeliever]

Well…here is the quote:

‘’ The incessant rain had ceased and there was a thin layer of cloud. Lúcia, seeing light rising from the lady’s hands and the sun appearing as a silver disk, called out “look at the sun”. She later had no memory of saying this.[6]

The [6] thing leads you to the reference:

‘’(De Marchi 1952)’’

Which means it is in the De Marchi source where it states she had no memory later of telling the crowd to look at the sun.

Also,when clicking on the De Marchi 1952 underlined link in the footnotes…it leads you to a second footnote where the De Marchi 1952 source was found:

‘‘De Marchi, John (1952). “The Immaculate Heart”. New York: Farrar, Straus and Young.’’

So…here is the information

 

[NormalBeliever]

NB give your helpers convenience if you want focussed serious answers.
The accepted way to do this is to write out the relevant quote in quotation marks (with a good chunk of text either side for context) and then provide details of the publication from which it came (and an Internet link would be a great optional addition).

Well…here is the quote:

‘’ The incessant rain had ceased and there was a thin layer of cloud. Lúcia, seeing light rising from the lady’s hands and the sun appearing as a silver disk, called out “look at the sun”. She later had no memory of saying this.[6]

The [6] thing leads you to the reference:

‘’(De Marchi 1952)’’

Which means it is in the De Marchi source where it states she had no memory later of telling the crowd to look at the sun.

Also,when clicking on the De Marchi 1952 underlined link in the footnotes…it leads you to a second footnote where the De Marchi 1952 source was found:

‘‘De Marchi, John (1952). “The Immaculate Heart”. New York: Farrar, Straus and Young.’’

So…here is the information

 

[boomerang]

Well…here is the quote:

‘’ The incessant rain had ceased and there was a thin layer of cloud. Lúcia, seeing light rising from the lady’s hands and the sun appearing as a silver disk, called out “look at the sun”. She later had no memory of saying this.[6]

The [6] thing leads you to the reference:

‘’(De Marchi 1952)’’

Which means it is in the De Marchi source where it states she had no memory later of telling the crowd to look at the sun.

Also,when clicking on the De Marchi 1952 underlined link in the footnotes…it leads you to a second footnote where the De Marchi 1952 source was found:

‘‘De Marchi, John (1952). “The Immaculate Heart”. New York: Farrar, Straus and Young.’’

So…here is the information

If you read the full account in De Marchi’s book, you will get a clearer picture.

From the book:

Lucia cries out a single time, “Look at the sun!” But she has no recollection later of having called this out to the crowd…

(further down)

…When Lucia cried, “Look at the sun!” the people responded…

(De Marchi continues)

…While writing this book we met Senhor Alfredo da Silva Santos, who was attending a retreat for professional men. Knowing that Senhor Santos had been present on the day of the solar prodigy, we asked what he was able to recall.

On the day before (he told us), I was in the Cafe Martinho, in Lisbon, when my cousin, John Lindim, from Torres Novas, entered and said to me:

“Everyone is going to Fatima tomorrow. There seems to be something extraordinary in the air, and we are all full of curiosity to know what it is all about.”

“I will go with you,” I told him.

We made our arrangements, and went in three motor cars on the early morning of the 13th. There was a thick mist, and the car which went in front mistook the way so that we were all lost for a time and only arrived at the Cova da Iria at midday by the sun. It was absolutely full of people, but for my part I felt devoid of any religious feeling.** When Lucia called out: “Look at the sun!” the whole multitude repeated: “Attention to the sun!” **It was a day of incessant drizzle but a few moments before the miracle it stopped raining. I can hardly find words to describe what followed.

I hope this allays your fear that the account here is not worthy of belief. Even if Lucia did not remember saying “Look at the sun!”, the witness affirm that she indeed said it. When people have mystical experiences, they can go into ecstasy, in which case their mind is in an altered state. Lucia may not have been acting entirely on her own at that time.

 

[Bryan77]

Don’t let it get to you when people on here have a snarky attitude when asking a question about aliens. I understand where you are coming from.

A usual snarky response is “why would an alien tell us to worship Jesus, or pray the rosary” What they don’t understand is the underlying problem and reason the question is asked.

What if there is no Jesus, and Christianity is a big deception perpetrated by certain aliens in order to further their agenda? If Fatama was an instance of extra terrestrial activity, then how do we know that the Resurrection too wasn’t?

I’ve pondered this idea, and almost lost my faith over it. You have to think about the motives for such things. Also, a lot of these alien theories are contradictory. Do aliens exist? If so, how many races? Are the Annunaki real? What about the Greys? Or is it the Reptilians? Then if one of them are the true aliens, what is their agenda? Does deceiving the world into believing Christianity make sense in their plan? did they create all the religions in order to keep humanity fighting against eachother? These are the conclusions that come about from such a question about aliens, and is why I hate it when people use some snarky response and ridicule the asker, without even answering the question or helping in anyway. That kind of thing has the potential to lead the person astray.

Again, many of these alien theories are contradictory, yet there is a common thread in that they try to undermine Christianity, and promote New Age. Even modern UFOoligists are turning away from the idea of aliens being Extra Terrestrials, but rather Extra Dimensional.

So lets see, we have a advanced being that is very smart, evil, and preys on humans, defies the laws of physics, and is believed to come from another dimension… Sounds a lot like demons. Especially since they deny Christ, and promote New Age beliefs. There have also been instances where during an alien abduction, the abductee would invoke the name of Jesus, and the aliens would get very agitated, and sometimes leave the person alone.

So if aliens today are spouting the idea that Christianity is false, then what motive would they have had in the past (Recently too, in the case of Fatima not even 100 years ago) Why would they encourage Christianity, and then deny it now? What makes more sense is that Christianity is true, and now Satan and the demons are using our curiosity for space and life on other planets as a backstory for today’s deception. If they can convince people that aliens are real and regularly visit us, then they can convince us of an alternate origin for humanity and our role in the universe in relation to God,

The motives don’t match. They have no reason to encourage Christianity. Their goal is to destroy Christianity and instill the New Age religion. I’m not saying that all the alien stories have basis in reality. I believe most of them are complete fabrications. The whole
Annunakki origin story actually stems from one man who mistranslated Sumerian texts. He’s been exposed as a fraud, but his false translations still find their way around the internet, and lots of people believe it.

Also, someone already mentioned it. Who cares if Lucia didn’t remember telling people to look at the sun? If I received visions from the Virgin Mary, and saw the sun dancing in the sky along with thousands of people, I might not remember every single sentence I said that day. I have more important things to think about such as watching the sun dance!