UFOs, Aliens & ETs

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Last Thursday I was at a restaurant with my Dad and grandparents. All of the sudden, my Grandfather pointed to the window. In the sky was, well, a UFO (i.e, an unidentified flying object – so that doesn’t mean it was ET’s corvette.). I was very amused but not scared. It seemed to “fly off” at an angle towards the clouds. My Dad tried to convince me that it was just a balloon. However, most balloons are transparent. The object was solid black. My Grandma told me it was a hellicopter, but it looked to spherical. Now, it was sunset, and the window we were looking out of was tinted at the top. We didn’t have the best view. I don’t know what it was.

I’ve asked many questions about UFOs and aliens here on CA before mainly because I’m concerned with their compatibility with Christianity. I’d rather not believe in them. In fact, if people were to ask me my wost fear, I’d probably say aliens 😛 (I used to be afraid of the movie Mars Attacks:p). But I’ve seen too many things about them on TV. Some may think it’s silly to believe in ETs and UFOs, but I think it’s silly to ignore all of the evidence. Even the History Channel is usually fair at reporting UFO sightings.

My Question: If ET’s are visiting us and flying around out skies and doing who knows what (sight seeing?), why don’t you think Divine Revelation has anything to say about them? That is, why didn’t Jesus say anything about them? The Bible and Church Tradition teaches us that humans are central to God’s plan; we’re made in his image and have an immortal soul. If Extraterrestrials existed but didn’t interfere with us – if we didn’t even know they existed – I can see why it would not be necessary. But apparently that’s not the case.
 
First of all, the Catholic Church has no problem with alien life.

Second, there is no evidence that the solid, metallic craft that have been seen are from other worlds. All accounts point to man-made devices.

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
First of all, the Catholic Church has no problem with alien life.

Second, there is no evidence that the solid, metallic craft that have been seen are from other worlds. All accounts point to man-made devices.

Peace,
Ed
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But wouldn’t alien life take away from the message of the Bible that humans are central to God’s creation?
 
I don’t think you should worry about UFOs interfering with your faith because there’s not actually much evidence for UFOs. For example, a lot of people who believe in UFOs talk about Area 51 and say it’s a government cover-up. The CIA recently released the details of the aircraft experiments that were going on there and were mistaken for UFOs. I urge you to take a look at the following links.

Information about the area 51 program:
postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212222993.shtml
latimes.com/features/la-mag-april052009-backstory,0,3355162.story
foia.cia.gov/a12oxcart.asp

A site that debunks UFO claims:
debunker.com/ufo.html
 
UFOs are actual, physical aircraft. See the book: Flying Saucer Aircraft by Bill Rose, a noted aviation writer.

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
UFOs are actual, physical aircraft. See the book: Flying Saucer Aircraft by Bill Rose, a noted aviation writer.

Peace,
Ed
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If that is so, then can you help to answer this:

If ET’s are visiting us and flying around out skies and doing who knows what (sight seeing?), why don’t you think Divine Revelation has anything to say about them? That is, why didn’t Jesus say anything about them? The Bible and Church Tradition teaches us that humans are central to God’s plan; we’re made in his image and have an immortal soul. If Extraterrestrials existed but didn’t interfere with us – if we didn’t even know they existed – I can see why it would not be necessary. But apparently that’s not the case.

You seem wise, Ed. :rolleyes:
Thanks.
 
The book he mentioned is about manmade aircraft, so I think you’re missinterpreting him. I suggest you take a look at some of the links I mentioned.

Also, what is the evidence for UFOs that you find so persuasive?
 
anEvilAtheist said:
The book he mentioned is about manmade aircraft, so I think you’re missinterpreting him. I suggest you take a look at some of the links I mentioned.

Also, what is the evidence for UFOs that you find so persuasive?
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Well, in my original post I told of the sighting last Thursday that my dad, two grandparents, and I saw while at a restaurant.

TV shows often include many witnesses of the same sighting. Some even include encounters with aliens. :eek:

To me, there is convincing evidence. Or at least I’m assuming the worst, or best, or whatever.
 
This article maybe what you are looking for.

Is the Vatican easing humanity toward alien disclosure?
Church astronomer latest to speak of “space brothers”
Posted: May 18, 2008
8:35 pm Eastern

© 2008 RaidersNewsNetwork

Thomas Horn

May 18, 2008 – (Raiders News Network) Vatican chief astronomer Father Jose Gabriel Funes in a long interview with the L’Osservatore Romano newspaper this week made news by saying there is a certain possibility of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, and that such notion “doesn’t contradict our faith.”

“How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere? Just as we consider earthly creatures as ‘a brother,’ and ‘sister,’ why should we not talk about an ‘extraterrestrial brother’? It would still be part of creation,” he said.

The statements by Funes are the latest in a string of recent comments by Vatican astronomers confirming a belief that discovery may be made in the near future of alien life, including intelligent life, and that this discovery would not unhinge the doctrine of Christ.

In 2005, another Vatican astronomer, Guy Consolmagno tackled this subject in a 50-page booklet, Intelligent Life in the Universe, in which he concluded that chances are better than not that mankind is facing a future discovery of extraterrestrial intelligence….More
 
catholic1seeks said:
Well, in my original post I told of the sighting last Thursday that my dad, two grandparents, and I saw while at a restaurant.

TV shows often include many witnesses of the same sighting. Some even include encounters with aliens. :eek:

To me, there is convincing evidence. Or at least I’m assuming the worst, or best, or whatever.
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Well you spoke about seeing something and not knowing what it was. In most cases of supposed UFO sitings, there is an obvious non-extraterrestrial explanation. Now anything is possible, but I don’t think seeing something once in your life and not being certain of what it was is good evidence of alien spacecraft.

If there was good evidence for UFOs besides your experience it might make sense to think you saw one, but there’s not much actual evidence. I know they talk about them on TV, but I think this is a case of don’t believe everything you see on TV. I once saw a show about how the moon landing was faked and it seemed very persuasive, but then I researched it and found that there was no reason to think it was faked. I really enourage you to go to debunker.com/ufo.html. I think it might be easier to realize that there is no good reason to believe that we have seen alien spacecraft than to try to resolve all the potential theological problems of aliens (original sin, heaven, morality, human uniqueness, etc).
 
Does the existence of angels take away the place of humans in Creation?

No.

Does the existence of humans take away the place of angels in Creation?

No. (Although Satan would say it did. Which shows that this line of thought is bad.)

So would the existence of intelligent alien beings do it?

No.

Everything in Creation has its own place, assigned by God. If it turned out that there were other folks out there that we could talk to, they would have their own place and destiny.

Shrug. Let’s cross that bridge when we come to it.
 
Mintaka said:
Does the existence of angels take away the place of humans in Creation?

No.

Does the existence of humans take away the place of angels in Creation?

No. (Although Satan would say it did. Which shows that this line of thought is bad.)

So would the existence of intelligent alien beings do it?

No.

Everything in Creation has its own place, assigned by God. If it turned out that there were other folks out there that we could talk to, they would have their own place and destiny.

Shrug. Let’s cross that bridge when we come to it.
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IAC, there is one explanation that has not been stated : that these are diabolical manifestations. Like the ancient stories of gods or angels that slept with women.
 
I have studied the subject of UFOs for 30 years. These are man-made aircraft.

amazon.com/Secret-Projects-Flying-Saucer-Aircraft/dp/1857802330/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240802774&sr=8-1

The UFO era began in 1947 when a private pilot sighted two types of man-made aircraft. One was built by a Canadian aviation company (Project Y), another was a captured German aircraft called a Gotha Go-229. Alfred Loedding was an engineer at Wright Field in Ohio. He interrogated German aviation experts after the end of the Second World War. There is a photo of him with his Discplane. Care to guess what it looked like?

A company in Canada called A.V. Roe built a disc aircraft for the US Air Force. Project Silver Bug (Project Y2) was supersonic. You can read an article about it in the March 1956 issue of Mechanix Illustrated. Also, in the 1950s, a man named Rene Couzinet built a scale model of a disc aircraft which was of great interest to the US Intelligence community.

cufon.org/cufon/couzinet.htm

Do not believe anyone who says UFOs are not real. They have been pursued by fighter pilots while observers on the ground watched. They have gotten radar locks on the aircraft. One pilot remarked he felt like he was chasing one of the German V-1 buzz bombs.

Peace,
Ed
 
I found this rather interesting. Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell says we have been visited by aliens.
 
Can someone answer this:
My Question: If ET’s are visiting us and flying around out skies and doing who knows what (sight seeing?), why don’t you think Divine Revelation has anything to say about them? That is, why didn’t Jesus say anything about them? The Bible and Church Tradition teaches us that humans are central to God’s plan; we’re made in his image and have an immortal soul. If Extraterrestrials existed but didn’t interfere with us – if we didn’t even know they existed – I can see why it would not be necessary. But apparently that’s not the case.
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edwest2 said:
I have studied the subject of UFOs for 30 years. These are man-made aircraft.

amazon.com/Secret-Projects-Flying-Saucer-Aircraft/dp/1857802330/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240802774&sr=8-1

The UFO era began in 1947 when a private pilot sighted two types of man-made aircraft. One was built by a Canadian aviation company (Project Y), another was a captured German aircraft called a Gotha Go-229. Alfred Loedding was an engineer at Wright Field in Ohio. He interrogated German aviation experts after the end of the Second World War. There is a photo of him with his Discplane. Care to guess what it looked like?

A company in Canada called A.V. Roe built a disc aircraft for the US Air Force. Project Silver Bug (Project Y2) was supersonic. You can read an article about it in the March 1956 issue of Mechanix Illustrated. Also, in the 1950s, a man named Rene Couzinet built a scale model of a disc aircraft which was of great interest to the US Intelligence community.

cufon.org/cufon/couzinet.htm

Do not believe anyone who says UFOs are not real. They have been pursued by fighter pilots while observers on the ground watched. They have gotten radar locks on the aircraft. One pilot remarked he felt like he was chasing one of the German V-1 buzz bombs.

Peace,
Ed
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I have not read any books on the matter, but I do not think all of these are manmade. There’s also the stories of alien encounters and “abductions”.
 
catholic1seeks said:
Can someone answer this:
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not sure there is a solid and complete answer. I’d suggest that what was given and revealed to us was meant for us, and that there is much more that doesn’t concern us in God’s big picture. I’m not arrogant enough to definitively state that we are it as far as God’s creations go. I’m happy just to be included in the plan.
 
catholic1seeks said:
why don’t you think Divine Revelation has anything to say about them? That is, why didn’t Jesus say anything about them?
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Perhaps God has a plan for these other worldly creatures that we do not have to immediately know about just as He does with the many legions of Angels in Heaven. Jesus came down for us, to teach about us, not for the Aliens.
 
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