UFOs and the antichrist

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According to Monsignor Corrado Balducci, exorcist for the Archdiocese of Rome.
And
Billy Graham, in one of his spiritual books
State they believe that extraterrestrials exist.

What if…

The antichrist, with all his supernatural powers,
Claims to be an alien?

He would then be able to claim worship as a god,
And promote atheism.

Is this plausible?
 
That’s one way he could trick mankind.

The other way is that he could glorify man, like so many false messiahs have done.
 
With 100 billion stars in our galaxy and 100 billion other galaxies, we may not be alone.

That is God’s choice and He knows what He is doing!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

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According to Monsignor Corrado Balducci, exorcist for the Archdiocese of Rome.
And
Billy Graham, in one of his spiritual books
State they believe that extraterrestrials exist.
I should give some more background.

From an old thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=143361…
I came across a story regarding Monsignor Corrado Balducci. He is a Roman Catholic theologian of the Vatican Curia, a close friend of the pope, long time exorcist for the Archdiocese of Rome, and he is a Prelate of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples and the Society for the Propagation of the Faith.
(Links)
Monsignor Corrado Balducci has said that extraterrestrial contact is real.
Valerio, Monti; Max Barucca. Monsignor Padre Balducci. UFO Disclosure. Retrieved on 2007-01-11.
New FATHER BALDUCCI assertions about Extraterrestrials. nonsoloufo. Retrieved on 2007-01-13.
TV Show [TV]. Italy: RAI 1, Programme “SPECIALE TG1”
Fastwalkers [DVD]. Fastwalkers.
Extraterrestrial Contact and Close Encounter (11 Minute Mark) [DVD]. Disclosure Project
Adriano, Forgione. UFOs and the Vatican. UFO India. Retrieved on 2007-01-11.
FATHER BALDUCCI assertions about Extraterrestrials. nonsoloufo. Retrieved on 2007-01-11.
Monsignor Corrado Balducci has provided analysis that relates directly with the teachings of the Catholic Church. He has stressed that the extraterrestrial encounters “are NOT demonic, they are NOT due to psychological impairment, they are NOT a case of entity attachment, but these encounters deserve to be studied carefully.” He also said that the Vatican is closely following reported incidents of extraterrestrial encounters from its Nunciatures (embassies) in different countries.
I’m not a UFO fanatic, but I’m curious what do you think? I just found it odd that someone from the Vatican would make such a disclosure.
Billy Graham’s book is entitled: “The Enduring Classics Of Billy Graham”
With 100 billion stars in our galaxy and 100 billion other galaxies, we may not be alone.

That is God’s choice and He knows what He is doing!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark
I’m not saying whether aliens exist or not.
I’m suggesting impersonation
That’s one way he could trick mankind.

The other way is that he could glorify man, like so many false messiahs have done.
Those two ways are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Aliens are often considered,

To be higher evolved creatures than the human race.
And often freely offer the secrets of their evolution
Giving to humans willing to seek the secrets.
Perhaps faking friendship.
 
If aliens exist, it’s not going to be clear-cut whether they are evil or good. I think it’s necessarily true that some will be good and some will be evil … free will that is. Some might fake friendship, some may offer it genuinely. One of my main reasons for saying this is that there have been supposed alien abductions that have terrorized people for life and other alien abductions that have improved people’s lives … even healing them from past illnesses and disabilities. Who knows?

I am extremely haunted by Christ’s words, “I have sheep that are not of this flock.” And there have been numerous philosopher-theologian saints who have taken up the question extraterrestrials, all on a consensus (it seems) that they could exist, but they differ in regard to the likelihood of their existence. Such saints have been Augustine, Aquinas, and Bonaventure, even.

I’ve been doing some research into the E.T. question and have been startled at how consistent UFO and Abduction stories are. It finally hit me how scary and revolutionary the idea of existing extraterrestrials would be.

In fact, Corrado Balducci, the vatican exorcist has noticed this too and investigated abductees and has concluded that alien abduction and alien spacecraft are real, simply because of the overwhelming amount of witnesses.

The real question is, however, whether aliens require Christ’s salvation or not. I’ve done a lot of research into that question, and basically came up with this: if aliens are somehow descended from Adam, then they require the New Adam to be redeemed (if they are fallen … that is). If they are not descended from Adam, and if they are nonetheless fallen, then they would require a separate incarnation of God besides that of Jesus Christ. That’s my opinion … or rather pretty well-though-out theory in any case.

It would seem to be the case that the purported “greys” and other humanoid aliens do resemble humans in their humanoid appearance, indicating they might have a human origin. In which case, Christ would be relevant to them. They could become Catholic.

But once again, aliens would not necessarily be evil. If anything they might be all good, all unfallen. But my feeling is that they are complicated and mixed like the rest of us.
 
I think we spend too much time theorizing about how it’s suppose to happen when the real thing is staring us in the face.
 
As bizarre as this thread seems, there’s actually quite an accumulation of Biblical evidence that UFOs are demonic, and comprise a component of the First Beast in Revelation 13.
 
As bizarre as this thread seems, there’s actually quite an accumulation of Biblical evidence that UFOs are demonic, and comprise a component of the First Beast in Revelation 13.
I hear the claim that UFOs are actually demonic manifestations a lot, but I don’t think this is true. Corrado Balducci, the Vatican exorcist, and a scholar of demonology, said, time and time again, that UFOs and aliens are not demons but are rational-biological creatures like us. The alien and ufo-related phenomena and stories are too numerous and consistent to reasonably indicate supernatural activity. As a rule, phenomena should be considered natural until proven otherwise.

I can see why some people would think UFOs would be demons, but I want to know why you would say this.
 
the statement is odd because the things that were stated what aliens were not ie’ psychological disturbance demons etc. It’s like saying " aliens are real but what they are is unknown’

I think they could be real and species lifted up technologically by the influence of demons.
A distraction. To keep man looking to outer space, looking to technology and the physical heavens for salvation.
 
I think they could be real and species lifted up technologically by the influence of demons.
A distraction. To keep man looking to outer space, looking to technology and the physical heavens for salvation.
No doubt, real or not, the idea of aliens is a distraction for some. But, what’s not? Everything in creation can be a distraction. Pagans have looked to all sorts of mundane things for salvation. Even trees. There is, at least, no intrinsic distractive quality about the idea of aliens. It is not a sin to consider the question. Theologians including Aquinas have talked about it. I will claim that the alien question becomes less distracting and unnerving and scary when properly treated in theology and seeing how it doesn’t contradict revelation. Only then will it not distract us. Otherwise, it remains mysterious and scary. That’s what I would claim.
Areopagite said: “If they are not descended from Adam, and if they are nonetheless fallen, then they would require a separate incarnation of God besides that of Jesus Christ.”

This would violate theology of the hypostatic union. The second Divine Person would not be united hypostatically with Jesus The second Person could go where Jesus could not.
Thomas Aquinas would disagree with you …
What has power for one thing, and no more, has a power limited to one. Now the power of a Divine Person is infinite, nor can it be limited by any created thing. Hence it may not be said that a Divine Person so assumed one human nature as to be unable to assume another. For it would seem to follow from this that the Personality of the Divine Nature was so comprehended by one human nature as to be unable to assume another to its Personality; and this is impossible, for the Uncreated cannot be comprehended by any creature. Hence it is plain that, whether we consider the Divine Person in regard to His power, which is the principle of the union, or in regard to His Personality, which is the term of the union, it has to be said that the Divine Person, over and beyond the human nature which He has assumed, can assume another distinct human nature.
In other words, the 2nd Divine Person in taking on a created nature doesn’t become limited and bound to just that nature because nothing can limit God, especially something created. So, the 2nd Person can take on as many created natures He wants, including, hypothetically, an alien nature. It is true that God incarnate as an alien would not be Jesus Christ (b/c Jesus is not only the divine person but also that particular case of human nature) and yet he would be the same [divine] person. Or, rather, you would simply distinguish Jesus in his divine nature (which he would share with other incarnate cases) and Jesus in his particular human nature (which he would **not **share with other incarnate beings) Pretty crazy.

To read Aquinas’ full answer on this topic, click here: newadvent.org/summa/4003.htm#article7
So I don’t believe they can be rational. Salvation can’t be a question for them. But in the singlemindedness of irrational creatures ( thinking of ants and bees etc) infused with knowledge of matter they would become technolgically advanced in very little time.
That’s an interesting theory you have there. I actually never thought about that. You might have a point there. I suppose irrational creatures could be designed to build certain technology, just like ants are programmed to build ant-hills. Huh. Crazy. That’s clever. However, it wouldn’t be the case of them inventing technology but mindlessly constructing it due to pre-programmed genetic design (like ants). If they actually invented technology due to their knowledge of matter, then they would have to be rational because understanding matter is nonetheless abstract knowledge.

However, the abductee accounts don’t seem to support the aliens being irrational. There are accounts of aliens talking (telepathically usually) and conducting scientific tests.
 
The real question is, however, whether aliens require Christ’s salvation or not. I’ve done a lot of research into that question, and basically came up with this: if aliens are somehow descended from Adam, then they require the New Adam to be redeemed (if they are fallen … that is). If they are not descended from Adam, and if they are nonetheless fallen, then they would require a separate incarnation of God besides that of Jesus Christ. That’s my opinion … or rather pretty well-though-out theory in any case.
Humans are the crown of God’s creation. Just because aliens may exist, does not mean they would be infused with immortal souls. Thus they may have mortal souls and there really is no question about their salvation. After they die they would cease to exist.

So if intelligent aliens were proven to exist there would be a couple of questions the Church would have to answer.
  1. Do they have mortal or immortal souls?
  2. If they do have immortal souls are they fallen?
Now as far as the story of creation goes, humans are the only creatures to have fallen. Whether this is story is taken literally or highly symbolically, in my opinion it would mean that the only creature God created that fell were angels and humans, and E.T.s would not have fallen even if they were ensouled.

If aliens did exist and were not ensouled, then they would not be equal to man but under him. Thus we could take over their planet and steal their technology! That would be sweet.😃
 
Humans are the crown of God’s creation. Just because aliens may exist, does not mean they would be infused with immortal souls. Thus they may have mortal souls and there really is no question about their salvation. After they die they would cease to exist.

So if intelligent aliens were proven to exist there would be a couple of questions the Church would have to answer.
  1. Do they have mortal or immortal souls?
  2. If they do have immortal souls are they fallen?
Now as far as the story of creation goes, humans are the only creatures to have fallen. Whether this is story is taken literally or highly symbolically, in my opinion it would mean that the only creature God created that fell were angels and humans, and E.T.s would not have fallen even if they were ensouled.

If aliens did exist and were not ensouled, then they would not be equal to man but under him. Thus we could take over their planet and steal their technology! That would be sweet.😃
Perennial Philosophy and Catholic Theology are pretty clear that if a creature is intelligent (capable of abstract through) then it has an immortal soul. Also, then, they would have free will to sin or not.

Even though the Bible does not mention fallen creatures other than human and angels does not mean that Scripture denies such a rational creature that falls into a third category. It is merely silent on the issue if anything.

It’s an interesting question whether we would be higher than the aliens or not. I don’t know. Theoretically, the aliens could have descended from Adam, which would possibly explain their humanoid bodies as reported by supposed witnesses. But if they have a separate ancestry … yeah, I don’t know.
 
you misunderstood the object of distraction. The theological issue isn’t a distraction from the faith but the alien phenomenon keeps humanity focused ‘out’ there physically for salvation in technology and space and this pesky alien thing.
Thomas Aquinas would disagree with you …
The hypostatic union of divine and human in connection with what is united in Him, namely heaven and earth. isn’t addressed by St Thomas is it? It’s a cosmology too. I understand how nature is subject to power but the all encompassing cosmic union of not just earth and heaven but matter and spirit. The elements chage of all creation! The aliens are subject to the Christ Events on earth. I don’t know how to get around that
That’s an interesting theory you have there. I actually never thought about that. You might have a point there. I suppose irrational creatures could be designed to build certain technology, just like ants are programmed to build ant-hills. Huh. Crazy. That’s clever. However, it wouldn’t be the case of them inventing technology but mindlessly constructing it due to pre-programmed genetic design (like ants). If they actually invented technology due to their knowledge of matter, then they would have to be rational because understanding matter is nonetheless abstract knowledge.
Ever notice that real alien reference depicts aliens all alike seen one you’ve seen em all? Talkin nature here and it’s not human They all obey the same natural law without renegades breaking the rules like us. They are irational but infused with the lights of intellect…they have intllectual helpers. that combo would be something. The tower of babyl with no stopping it.
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I hear the claim that UFOs are actually demonic manifestations a lot, but I don’t think this is true. Corrado Balducci, the Vatican exorcist, and a scholar of demonology, said, time and time again, that UFOs and aliens are not demons but are rational-biological creatures like us. The alien and ufo-related phenomena and stories are too numerous and consistent to reasonably indicate supernatural activity. As a rule, phenomena should be considered natural until proven otherwise.

I can see why some people would think UFOs would be demons, but I want to know why you would say this.
If you read the literature on the UFO Abduction Phenomenon, you will see that the primary interest of the almond eyed beings of the Abduction Phenomenon is grabbing as many women as they can and engaging in sex, sex, sex.

Now read Genesis 6:1-2.

In the Abduction Phenomenon, the female victims are impregnated and ostensibly give birth to hybrid children, by abortion. Now read Genesis 6:4, especially the words “as well as later.” “Nephilim” means, “the aborted ones.”

In Revelation 13, the famous “number of the beast” is “666.”

A = 1
B = 2
C = 3
D = 4
E = 5
F = 6
G
H
I
J
K
L
M
N
O = 6
P = 5
Q = 4
R = 3
S = 2
T = 1
U = 6
V = 5
W = 4
X = 3
Y = 2
Z = 1

There it is. Because UFO is a modern English alphabet acronym, Revelation 13 uses the modern English alphabet to decode 666.

Many skeptics like to show how smart they are by saying, "I don’t go with “666.” I go with “616” in noncanonical versions of Revelation.

The problem with their skepticism is that 616 generates UAO on the same chart, the British version of UFO.

There is much, much, much more evidence like this.

Believe me – UFOs are utterly demonic.
 
Given all things said,
It still sounds plausible
That the antichrist could claim
To be an “alien” to influence others.
 
Plausible is the right word, though I do not think the coming Antichrist is a single man. I think that single man died almost 2000 years ago. In any case, if a single man DOES become the leader of Antichrist, according to scripture, he is going to bring back the ideals of Nero’s Rome, so the best look in to that future is to look at Rome’s past. Quite chilling to say the least. Other people think all this “end times” stuff is cool, but I personally don’t find starving and getting my head sawed off the least bit thrilling.
 
If you read the literature on the UFO Abduction Phenomenon, you will see that the primary interest of the almond eyed beings of the Abduction Phenomenon is grabbing as many women as they can and engaging in sex, sex, sex.
I used to think that alien abduction might actually be demonic events because of this too. Especially with the legends of incubi and succubi which Aquinas even believed in, due to the widespread reports. However, then I realized that … humans rape humans too a lot … human males have often grabbed women with even more frequency than alien abductions. However, human rapists aren’t demons … they’re humans. Aliens, being rational animals like us, may very well share in similar sexual drives and, like I said earlier, are probably fallen as well. But not all abductions seem to involve rape or even consensual sex. There are some positive abductions that have healed people. Like I said before, aliens, if they exist, are a mixed bag. Some are evil, some are good, and most of them are in between, probably.
In the Abduction Phenomenon, the female victims are impregnated and ostensibly give birth to hybrid children, by abortion. Now read Genesis 6:4, especially the words “as well as later.” “Nephilim” means, “the aborted ones.”
I’d like to know your source on this (the hybrid children by abortion). I’ve never heard that. I’d like to research that further.

Yeah, the Nephilim is an interesting controversy, but I am inclined to believe that it has nothing to do with either aliens or even demons/angels. What convinced me was something that Augustine said and many others. The “Sons of God” referred to Seth’s descendants, who were of the righteous line, while the “daughters of men” referred to Cain’s descendents, who were the accursed line. The righteous ones could not control themselves however and inter-married with the accursed line … the first example of believers marrying unbelievers. The result is that the offspring were “barbarians” (though often translated “giants” misleadingly … so I read).

It’s not the fantastic interpretation like the ones that involve aliens and/or demons, but, to me, when I read it, it made a lot of sense to me, much to my disappointment almost, that it turned out much more mundane than I originally thought. I might be wrong though.
There it is. Because UFO is a modern English alphabet acronym, Revelation 13 uses the modern English alphabet to decode 666.

Many skeptics like to show how smart they are by saying, "I don’t go with “666.” I go with “616” in noncanonical versions of Revelation.

The problem with their skepticism is that 616 generates UAO on the same chart, the British version of UFO.

There is much, much, much more evidence like this.

Believe me – UFOs are utterly demonic.
Interesting theory. Very clever. And maybe even a bit eerie. But I’ve seen 666 been applied to many crazy things, including Popes and stuff. You can do a lot of crazy things with numbers and letters to supposedly reveal deeper truths that aren’t actually there. You know, A Beautiful Mind. But I’ll keep an open mind. But this isn’t really proof.

I don’t think UFOs are utterly demonic, nor did the chief exorcist in Rome. It could very likely be the case that several aliens are possessed by demons and act demonically, perhaps many being enslaved to demons … but that exorcist and I firmly believe that the supposed aliens are not demons. The ample evidence of their physical and biological nature does not seem to support that.
you misunderstood the object of distraction. The theological issue isn’t a distraction from the faith but the alien phenomenon keeps humanity focused ‘out’ there physically for salvation in technology and space and this pesky alien thing.
Yes, this is happening, you’re right. I think the cure though is not to try and ignore the alien phenomenon but give it theological meaning, so that when looking at the extraterrestrial question (or any question for that matter), one is not habituated to then think of the common godless scientologist drivel but rather to think about God.
The hypostatic union of divine and human in connection with what is united in Him, namely heaven and earth. isn’t addressed by St Thomas is it? It’s a cosmology too. I understand how nature is subject to power but the all encompassing cosmic union of not just earth and heaven but matter and spirit. The elements chage of all creation! The aliens are subject to the Christ Events on earth. I don’t know how to get around that
I don’t know if Aquinas addresses your concern here, but I might not understand what your question is. What he does say is that a Divine Person of the Trinity can take on more than one created nature.

A good question though is, and this might be your question … what do we make of Christ as King of the Creation with regard to the alien question? I’m not entirely sure. Perhaps that indicates that these supposed aliens are actually descendants of Adam, and thus “human” in the relevant theological sense, in which case Christ would apply to them as He applies to us. But if not descended from Adam … then it gets more complicated.
Ever notice that real alien reference depicts aliens all alike seen one you’ve seen em all? Talkin nature here and it’s not human They all obey the same natural law without renegades breaking the rules like us. They are irational but infused with the lights of intellect…they have intllectual helpers. that combo would be something. The tower of babyl with no stopping it.
It is not clear by witnesses whether they have broken rules or not. Some have said that they fight each other … and certainly there have been malicious abduction cases.

If they are irrational, they wouldn’t be infused with the light of the intellect … would they? I don’t know if this is even possible. I might be wrong. Hmm … the only thing I can think of is … Averroes the Arabic philosopher argued that we were all just animals and that our intellect … namely the Agent Intellect … was a separate entity that we all shared in common and enlightened all of us. Since we weren’t intellectual by nature, we did not have immortal souls. Aquinas, however, noted that if we all had the same Agent Intellect, we would all have the same concepts … but that is clearly not the case (took me awhile to understand that … but it’s a good point). However, perhaps these aliens all share the same Agent Intellect … they all might think as one … which might explain their alleged telepathy? Or something? Hmm. This is definitely something I haven’t thought about.
 
UFOs are unidentified flying objects, not aliens.

Aliens are a by-product of evolutionism. If aliens exist I am a communist. If aliens land in St Peter’s square we can all pack up and invent a new religion. Catholicism and aliens are totally opposed to one another for many reasons. If any Catholic does not know this from reason alone then things are far worse than even I thought. Next we will be having an alien mass. That Churchmen even talk about aliens is an embarrassment. To see them invent a theology for them is pathetic. I am not surprised however because popes now celebrate Galileo, Einstein and Hawking while they ridicule the popes and theologians who tried to stop this rot in 1616, 1633, and 1820. ( Gadium et Spes no 36)
 
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I don’t know if Aquinas addresses your concern here, but I might not understand what your question is. What he does say is that a Divine Person of the Trinity can take on more than one created nature.
I’m confused that St Aquinas used the term ‘human’ in reference to the natures. I can only think of more than one human nature as it pertains to our fallen condition, perfect as Adam was and perhaps glorified and damned when resurrected.
A good question though is, and this might be your question … what do we make of Christ as King of the Creation with regard to the alien question? I’m not entirely sure. Perhaps that indicates that these supposed aliens are actually descendants of Adam, and thus “human” in the relevant theological sense, in which case Christ would apply to them as He applies to us. But if not descended from Adam … then it gets more complicated.
That’s the reason I thought of the theory of alien life that may be very well organized and live in complex societies with high degrees of cooperation as prime targets for fallen intellects to inspire and direct for their purpose.

If this is true then we would seem extraordinarly peculiar to them.
It is not clear by witnesses whether they have broken rules or not. Some have said that they fight each other … and certainly there have been malicious abduction cases.
When I say that I say it in reference to the fact that there has never been a single one of them that thought revealing themselves to us a good thing and acting on it. I find that difficult to believe of self determined creatures unless they were of a single mind. The universal intellect idea seems to make what I’m thinking possible and at the same time not necessarily the only answer to irrational creatures doing things that require intellect. There is Balaam’s donkey but that may have required a miracle. Jesus sent demons into pigs and they ran straight off a cliff.
If they are irrational, they wouldn’t be infused with the light of the intellect … would they? I don’t know if this is even possible. I might be wrong. Hmm … the only thing I can think of is … Averroes the Arabic philosopher argued that we were all just animals and that our intellect … namely the Agent Intellect … was a separate entity that we all shared in common and enlightened all of us. Since we weren’t intellectual by nature, we did not have immortal souls. Aquinas, however, noted that if we all had the same Agent Intellect, we would all have the same concepts … but that is clearly not the case (took me awhile to understand that … but it’s a good point). However, perhaps these aliens all share the same Agent Intellect … they all might think as one … which might explain their alleged telepathy? Or something? Hmm. This is definitely something I haven’t thought about.
That’s exactly how aliens reports seem to depict them. They are all on the same page. Like a cat can only act like a cat. Only Hollywood seems to give them what I would call a human nature. What other nature endowed with the upper faculties can we possibly imagine other than a human ?

BTW, thank you for educating me on Aquinas’s thoughts in regards of what I’m thinking.
 
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