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Typical bluster from a clown car politician.
This man went off to negotiate with the EU in 2016 thinking that you could negotiate with EU countries separately rather than with the EU as a whole, over his decades as a senior politician and vocal euro-sceptic he’d managed to miss the point entirely.
Meanwhile his successor in that post hadn’t realised that Dover was an important port.
Well, now the cranks have to deliver - either that or the fact they’d never had any intention of trying to get a sensible deal with the EU will be very apparent.
Eventually, even American Conservatives will realise that these people are not entirely sensible.
This man went off to negotiate with the EU in 2016 thinking that you could negotiate with EU countries separately rather than with the EU as a whole, over his decades as a senior politician and vocal euro-sceptic he’d managed to miss the point entirely.
Meanwhile his successor in that post hadn’t realised that Dover was an important port.
Well, now the cranks have to deliver - either that or the fact they’d never had any intention of trying to get a sensible deal with the EU will be very apparent.
Eventually, even American Conservatives will realise that these people are not entirely sensible.
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To be fair to Chamberlain, he was handed an enormous mess. The precious governments had done little to prepare for war, and Chamberlain as much as anything was stalling to give Britain as much time as possible to build up for the inevitable war. Churchill was in fact generous to Chamberlain in his History of the Second World War. Chamberlain was also a sick man.
As to Eden, he’s a better example; emotionally fragile and addled by his drug addiction. I think Johnson is evidence that memorizing a thesaurus doesn’t make you smart.
As to Eden, he’s a better example; emotionally fragile and addled by his drug addiction. I think Johnson is evidence that memorizing a thesaurus doesn’t make you smart.
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He thinks he can get away with anything with a mixture of bluster and bonhomie and, to be fair, he’s been very successful at it - a notorious lack of personal and professional integrity over decades hasn’t held him back.I think this tells us everything we need to know about the caliber of Boris Johnson’s political leadership and his moral priorities:
On the other hand, he’s a one-trick pony and the realities of the power he’s lusted-after seem to be taking their toll already - floods, viruses and Barnier are not voters to be conned at election time.
A weak Prime Minister needs a Cabinet that includes some talented politicians - in Johnson’s, they’re thin on the ground.
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Well, after studies at the University of Perugia and education at the Dunchurch College of Management, he would know, wouldn’t he?
For those who are not in the know, those statements used to be part of Iain Duncan Smith’s official biography - until it was discovered that he’d attended a language course at an entirely different institution in Perugia and hadn’t even taken the course completion exam, it was also discovered that his ‘education’ at Dunchurch consisted of having been sent on a few day courses by his bosses.
The one sensible action of IDS’ life was to marry into wealth and live off his in-laws.
For those who are not in the know, those statements used to be part of Iain Duncan Smith’s official biography - until it was discovered that he’d attended a language course at an entirely different institution in Perugia and hadn’t even taken the course completion exam, it was also discovered that his ‘education’ at Dunchurch consisted of having been sent on a few day courses by his bosses.
The one sensible action of IDS’ life was to marry into wealth and live off his in-laws.
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Another example of Irritable Duncan Syndrome
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I wonder if anybody, even silentwitness, bothers to watch the videos?
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Nonetheless, Chamberlain is consistently regarded as one of the UK’s two worst prime ministers in the 20th century. I do agree that one can see appeasement as a pragmatic policy that bought Britain an extra 11 months in which to rearm adequately to wage war against Germany.
On the other hand, this argument to some extent only holds up with the benefit of hindsight. As things turned out, Germany was defeated, but that was almost seven years after the Munich Agreement and at enormous and lasting cost. Chamberlain could not even have known with certainty that Germany would indeed invade Poland. If the “peace for our time” had lasted, the German annexation of Czechoslovak territory would have lasted indefinitely. The Sudetenland was restored to Czechoslovakia after the war, but at the cost of Czechoslovakia falling under the control of the Soviet Union. The only true victor of the war in Poland was the Soviet Union, which succeeded in annexing eastern Poland (in a simultaneous invasion with Germany) and then creating a satellite state comprising the German-occupied portion of Poland plus part of the former eastern territories of Germany. Poland would not be truly liberated until 1989.
This was an enormous gamble. Chamberlain surely could not have foreseen that Germany would renege on the non-aggression pact and therefore could not possibly have predicted that Germany would ultimately be broken by a war waged on two fronts. He also could not have foreseen that the United States would enter the war in 1941. The defeat of Germany was by no means a foregone conclusion.
The alternative, of course, was risking war with Germany in 1938. Would Germany’s expansionist ambitions have been swiftly crushed? Could Britain and France have averted the partition of Poland between Germany and the Soviet Union? Perhaps not. Certainly it would have been an enormous gamble. Perhaps Chamberlain did the best that he could under the circumstances. Certainly I rate him more highly than Boris Johnson.
On the other hand, this argument to some extent only holds up with the benefit of hindsight. As things turned out, Germany was defeated, but that was almost seven years after the Munich Agreement and at enormous and lasting cost. Chamberlain could not even have known with certainty that Germany would indeed invade Poland. If the “peace for our time” had lasted, the German annexation of Czechoslovak territory would have lasted indefinitely. The Sudetenland was restored to Czechoslovakia after the war, but at the cost of Czechoslovakia falling under the control of the Soviet Union. The only true victor of the war in Poland was the Soviet Union, which succeeded in annexing eastern Poland (in a simultaneous invasion with Germany) and then creating a satellite state comprising the German-occupied portion of Poland plus part of the former eastern territories of Germany. Poland would not be truly liberated until 1989.
This was an enormous gamble. Chamberlain surely could not have foreseen that Germany would renege on the non-aggression pact and therefore could not possibly have predicted that Germany would ultimately be broken by a war waged on two fronts. He also could not have foreseen that the United States would enter the war in 1941. The defeat of Germany was by no means a foregone conclusion.
The alternative, of course, was risking war with Germany in 1938. Would Germany’s expansionist ambitions have been swiftly crushed? Could Britain and France have averted the partition of Poland between Germany and the Soviet Union? Perhaps not. Certainly it would have been an enormous gamble. Perhaps Chamberlain did the best that he could under the circumstances. Certainly I rate him more highly than Boris Johnson.
Very true. Don’t forget memorizing some Latin quotations. He seems to think that that impresses people too. As Boris himself would say, cuilibet fatuo placet sua calua.I think Johnson is evidence that memorizing a thesaurus doesn’t make you smart.
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