Um, did any CAF members actually LIKE Matt Lauer?

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Exaggerated importance, exactly! They are reporting, not making news. Uh, well, now he is making news…
But sometimes, they must think that they are so much more than reporters. They believe they are actually celebrities, like those that act, or make music, or are in politics, or sports. (I guess he thought he could act as badly as some of them do.) No, they are just reporting what others are doing.
 
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Does anyone even believe half of these accusations? They always take headlines when the season comes.

Matt Lauer is no one to me, other than a prayer. I never heard of him until now.
 
TheLittleLady said:
I wonder why we have moved from innocent until proven guilty
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That is something the court determines and innocent is also different than not guilty. He’s guilty. There is video of his boorish behavior and his non-apology wasn’t adequate for those.
 
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Bruised_Reed said:
To me the more salient question is why don’t we believe victims/survivors, especially when they are women?
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I think people get suspicious because so often the first accusation sets off a flurry of others coming forward.

This shouldn’t be a surprise, though. The others are often saying, “What? You, too? You mean I wasn’t the only one? I thought that was a one-time unfortunate thing, not a habit!”
or “What? You mean he’s not going to just keep getting away with that? Good! If Mr. Too-Important-To-Follow-the-Rules is going to have to face the music for what he did, count me in.”

Yes, attention-seekers will sometimes come forward, too; it is very important to verify that each accusation is credible. Having said that, it should be no surprise that there are so many of these now.
The number of accusations actually make it more likely that most are telling the truth, rather than less.
 
Bruised_Reed said:
To me the more salient question is why don’t we believe victims/survivors, especially when they are women?
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There are always going to be some people who lie. Those who advocate believing everybody 100 percent, or believing people especially because they are a member of some particular group (a woman, a member of a certain race, etc.) are just as bad as those who don’t ever want to believe an alleged victim/ survivor. Even children, who were believed for a while to never lie about sexual abuse, have not been truthful where they were influenced to lie by a poorly run investigation, see for example the McMartin and similar cases. Society tends to go from one extreme to the other on this instead of just being realistic and looking at every claim and the evidence for it.

The other reason people have trouble believing is that in many of these cases there is either no evidence (no video, no admission, etc. ) or else the accuser had some sort of long-term relationship with the accused, including after the alleged abuse went on. I am well aware of all the reasons why victims would have such a relationship, including to try and normalize or deny the behavior, acting out of fear, acting to preserve their job or perhaps get some benefit out of a bad situation, thinking that no one would believe them so they better just go along with it, etc. but to ordinary people not in the situation, this looks bizarre, and again there are probably a handful of purported victims who are being less than truthful or are being manipulative after the fact in hopes of getting money or some other advantage.
 
I personally thought Ann Curry was trashy trashy trashy. Once I saw her do this breathless interview with Mackenzie Phillips, about her incestuous relationship with her father, I was disgusted. Morning talk shows were
pretty quickly turned off after that. Matt Lauer seemed run-of-the-mill, but nothing surprises me anymore!
 
US Law says “innocent until proven guilty”.

I only hope that should you or I be accused of a crime that we have the protection of US law, I hope that law applies to all Americans, even those in show business.
 
My wife enjoys the Morning show and liked Lauer. I’ve always been fairly indifferent to him.
 
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TheLittleLady said:
Seems those who do not have a bit of grey in the hair do not remember that tragic circus.
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Well, in more recent times we had the Rolling Stone alleged fraternity gang rape which turned out to be the product of some freshman girl’s imagination. I felt bad for actual victims who will now be disbelieved because a fabulist got all the publicity. Very irresponsible journalism.
 
TheLittleLady said:
US Law says “innocent until proven guilty”.
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In court. It doesn’t need to be applied outside of court. O.J. Simpson was found “not guilty” in criminal court but “guilty” in civil court so guilty and not guilty is just the finding of the court and doesn’t always reflect the truth.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
There are always going to be some people who lie.
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And unlike other cases false accusations hurt real victims with real cases.
Tis_Bearself said:
Those who advocate believing everybody 100 percent, or believing people especially because they are a member of some particular group (a woman, a member of a certain race, etc.) are just as bad as those who don’t ever want to believe an alleged victim/ survivor.
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I’m not sure who else advocates always believing the victim besides victim advocates.

As to the rest of your post (sorry, the quote function doesn’t always work well on my phone): I get why. I do. Unfortunately I read various articles, posts and the comments that follow and overwhelmingly they support the perpetrator. I’ve also read the accounts from victims who were never believed, in part because their was no victim advocacy, professional or otherwise. Pretty sure the statute of limitations is up in my case but I wouldn’t want money; I want justice and for jerk bosses not to think their harrassment won’t have consequences.
 
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Bruised_Reed said:
I’m not sure who else advocates always believing the victim besides victim advocates.

As to the rest of your post (sorry, the quote function doesn’t always work well on my phone): I get why. I do. Unfortunately I read various articles, posts and the comments that follow and overwhelmingly they support the perpetrator. I’ve also read the accounts from victims who were never believed, in part because their was no victim advocacy, professional or otherwise. Pretty sure the statute of limitations is up in my case but I wouldn’t want money; I want justice and for jerk bosses not to think their harrassment won’t have consequences.
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We must read different stuff. Almost everything I read these days is always 100 percent in support of the victims. If you ever suggest that a victim’s story seems a bit fishy, you get castigated, including by some legal professionals and people who are well aware that there have been false memory and false accusation cases. I am inclined to believe that most victims are telling the truth, but for a court proceeding, one generally needs evidence beyond somebody telling their story, regardless of what side the story is on.
 
We always believe victims don’t we? Always! Yet fail to realize that everyone deserves mercy. So we create an enemy.
 
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