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I have a very unappreciative, angry wife and do not know how to help her. Almost every day I come home from work she is in a bad mood. Many years of this is like Chinese Water Torture.

When she starts to get angry with me, what should I do? Fighting back definitely doesn’t work. If I leave, she gets even more angry. If I ignore her it gets worse. Should I just bear this cross and let her use me as a punching bag? If it is the best cure for her problem, than I can do it. But I don’t want to do it if it makes the problem worse.
 
Your wife should not be using you as a punching bag and you should not be allowing her to do that. Please speak with your priest and ask him for advice on how to handle the situation. Why is your wife so angry and unappreciative? Pray for her and pray for your marriage, and I, too, will pray for you.
 
Forgive me if this is a silly question to ask but…

Have you asked her, how you can help???

Peace
James
 
It is possible she feels you do not appreciate her. When you try to show her, she might tell you you are being fake. That would indicate that she feels that you genuinely don’t and she might think you have ulterior motives.

Marriage is harder in this day and age, especially for younger families.
 
Without any more information than you provided, and without knowing either of you personally, it is impossible for even well-meaning people on an internet forum to do much.

A few things come to mind, though.

Have you talked to her family and friends to get their ideas?
Is she at home all day with preschoolers?
Do you hire a babysitter and take your wife out on weekly date nights?
Is she using drugs or alcohol? If she is she may be hiding it.
Are you stopping for a few drinks before you get home?

And the biggie: Have you talked to your priest or gotten marriage counseling?

I pray that you and your wife will soon return to the harmonious path you were on when you married.
 
Forgive me if this is a silly question to ask but…

Have you asked her, how you can help???

Peace
James
I have asked her, and it seems that even when I do what she asks there is always some new thing to be angry about and still very little appreciation that I did what she asked. This is not to say that I cannot keep doing better, though.

I am mostly concerned here with how I should act considering the strong possibility that she may continue this way for a long time. Let’s assume for the sake of this post that nothing I can do will earn her appreciation and she will be generally angry forever. I have kids and do not want a separation.

Is there a way I can live and act to make the best of the situation?
 
This doesn’t sound normal. I would have her checked for depression.

Also, make sure she gets out of the house. If she absolutely can’t have or doesn’t want a part time job, get her a gym membership. Many gyms even have on site daycare for kids while their parents work out. Getting out and accomplishing something may help a lot.
 
I have asked her, and it seems that even when I do what she asks there is always some new thing to be angry about and still very little appreciation that I did what she asked. This is not to say that I cannot keep doing better, though.
Ok, if you ask and do as she says, that leads me to believe she is not being honest with you. Perhaps she doesn’t trust you will understand, perhaps she is too humiliated to come out and say it or maybe she doesn’t even now herself.
 
I have asked her, and it seems that even when I do what she asks there is always some new thing to be angry about and still very little appreciation that I did what she asked. This is not to say that I cannot keep doing better, though.

I am mostly concerned here with how I should act considering the strong possibility that she may continue this way for a long time. Let’s assume for the sake of this post that nothing I can do will earn her appreciation and she will be generally angry forever. I have kids and do not want a separation.

Is there a way I can live and act to make the best of the situation?
There are few that I would really want to recommend. This is not a situation that you should allow to continue for an extended period of time. It will be harmful to you and to your children.

What really needs to be addressed are the reasons why she is angry all the time. This will require a lot of discussion…and also a lot of independent action on your part.
For example…When she is angry, try to find out why and how you can help. Sometimes it might just need that she needs someone to listen to her.
Another thing is to take it on yourself to do things that you haven’t done in a while…Send her flowers for no reason other than that you love her. Plan a night out for dinner. Take the kids with your for several hours so that she can have the house all to herself…she can bathe, read, nap, whatever she wants to.

There can be many little things that can make a big difference over time…But as someone else said…if she continues to be constantly angry…it may be signs of deeper issues that may need to be addressed.

Peace
James
 
This doesn’t sound normal. I would have her checked for depression.

Also, make sure she gets out of the house. If she absolutely can’t have or doesn’t want a part time job, get her a gym membership. Many gyms even have on site daycare for kids while their parents work out. Getting out and accomplishing something may help a lot.
I was thinking bi-polar, but definitely something related to mental health. She should go see someone.
 
She’s angry. Her anger may have nothing to do with you. She may not even be aware of the reason for her anger. The reason for her anger may even pre-date her relationship with you, it may be over something that occurred a long, long time ago, or (possibly) a habit of thought and response to situations which developed a long time ago, possibly even when she was a child. You may just be a convenient target on which to vent. In other words, she might need something more than kind gestures, or even a conference with your parish priest. She may need psychotherapy.

I don’t know how you get someone into therapy if they are not willing to go.

I do know how to keep my own sanity while living with a chronically angry person, who finally did decide to get therapy on his own. It’s not easy. It involves loving detachment, where I had to learn to accept that yes, he is angry, and no, I can’t control it. Since we do not have children, I did not have to worry about his venting on a child. He did become physically abusive once. I had to call the police, and we had a period of no contact with each other. As part of his sentence to a reduced charge, he had to attend anger management classes. All that really resulted in was him leaving a situation rather than acting out, but it was an improvement over plates of spaghetti thrown at a wall, or a TV set thrown through a picture window.

We carried on like that for a couple of years–he would stomp out and not return for a few days. I had to learn to treat him as a very ill individual, meaning not to take the stomp out grand exits personally, and to take as good care of myself as I possibly could. That meant no escapist activities like drinking or shopping, good nutrition, proper rest, and maintaining my association with family and friends. I would not comment on his anger, and assumed as pleasant and cheerful attitude as was appropriate for various circumstances that came up. I also learned to listen to him without trying to fix him. Fixing himself was up to him, and I could not supply the motivation to do so. I could, however, avoid letting it affect my own dignity and self-worth to a degree that surprised me.

I stayed very close to the sacraments, and I joined a support group for those married to people with issues.

I think what happened is that he finally realized that I wasn’t a pressure release valve. His anger was his anger. It wasn’t mine.

After a few years of this, he stopped drinking and decided to get some in-depth help. He is still going to therapy, and told me that he was surprised to discover that he grew up in an extremely angry family: Anger wasn’t expressed, confronted, or worked through. It was allowed to fester and simmer.

I notice some positive changes. He is becoming better at taking care of himself. He no longer works insane hours without breaks. He has stopped drinking, as I mentioned before. He has learned to identify feelings of frustration, and has learned a sense of proportion concerning them. He is developing more patience. At the same time, he is learning that stating he is angry or upset and asking for what he needs or what he wants resolved calmly does not mean that all hell is going to break loose. He is also starting to develop a sense of being able to think through creative resolutions to various things that come up in each day’s march.

It’s been a long haul. I’m grateful for the progress he’s made. If the changes in my own responses to his anger made a difference in pushing him toward getting some help, I’m grateful for that, too. He is a good man, and despite all we’ve been through, I do love him.

Remember, graces were given to you at the time of your marriage to your wife. I clearly recall once, several years ago, when he had thrown a plate of spaghetti at the kitchen wall, and slammed the storm door on the way out badly enough that it broke the door frame, praying. I recall that my prayer was NOT particularly reverent, but went something like this: “Okay, Lord, You promised us graces on our wedding day. I need those graces NOW!” as I mopped up the mess. I calmed down, and after calling in a handyman to fix the storm door, sat down to do some spiritual reading, a practice I find calming in stressful times. I have quite a collection of holy cards, amassed over a lifetime of being Catholic. I use them frequently for bookmarks in spiritual literature.

I sat down and picked up my bible. A holy card of St. Monica fell out of the pages.

St. Monica was not only the mother of St. Augustine, she is also the patron saint of parents with wayward children and the patron saint of people who are in bad marriages. Her husband reportedly was very controlling and it seems emotionally abusive. So she certainly had her hands full! Her husband converted to the faith towards the end of his life. And we know that she prayed daily for her son, who led a sinful life, and thirty years down the road he too came to convert from his sinful lifestyle. He is, as you know, one of the greatest saints we have in the Catholic Church. So, pray to St. Monica, and ask her intercession for your intentions.

Then focus on trying to enjoy this life God gave you, regardless of what happens with your wife. Take care of your children, and try to help them achieve a happy and holy life. Some counseling for them may be in order. Don’t be afraid to go to counseling yourself: You’re living in a battlefield, and it does take its toll, regardless of whether you’re aware of the fact. And pray for your wife, her health, happiness, and peace of mind. While you’re at it, see if you can find a support group for those dealing with spouses who may have mental health issues.

If nothing else, prayer changes our attitude to one of hope and encouragement. And that sometimes shocks the angry spouse into getting some help for themselves.
 
Like another pp- have you asked her, at a calm time, why she seems to be angry whenever you come home? Not "why are you angry [today], but rather why she seems to be perpetually angry with you? If she can’t articulate a good reason, you might gently suggest some individual or marital counselling to try and figure this out.
 
I think a lot of the advice given so far is good, but I’ll be honest: my husband could have probably written the same thing when I was suffering from postpartum depression, and I felt like it was blindingly obvious what I was upset about and why, but every time he asked me (when he bothered to ask) it was like some new shocking thing to hear that I was upset that he wasn’t helping me out with the things I needed (which didn’t really change much day to day). It can get tiring for a spouse to explain:

“Yes, it bothers me that you still come home late even though I’ve asked you to make an effort to come home on time.”

“Yes, I’m still upset that you leave all the dirty dishes on the table when I have asked you 1000 times to put them in the dishwasher.”

“Yes, I’m still upset that you would rather watch TV than spend time with me and the baby.”

“Yes, it bugs me that you made plans with friends without consulting me first.”

The thing is, getting the postpartum depression diagnosis really didn’t help things at first. If it turns out that your wife does have depression or some other type of mental issue, please please please do not use that as an excuse to neglect your wife! My husband’s behavior actually got a lot worse when I finally told him that I had met with a therapist and that it wasn’t my thyroid or another medical issue, and I honestly think it’s because he thought “well, this explains everything.” PPD explained why the things he did bothered me so much, but it didn’t justify him being unsupportive (or boorish.)

Through individual and marital counseling we were able to overcome that, but it was really hard. At one point, I had to make a list of all the things that needed to happen in our house and how often I did them to show him that doing the dishes once a week or really did not qualify as “helping.” He thought he was being super loving and super supportive and I just wanted him to do too much, but he wasn’t communicating love and support to me in a way that was meaningful to me, and because that made me upset, he wanted it to be my problem instead of finding a new way to communicate. He wanted our marriage to be the way it was before we had children, and that was just never going to happen.

I am not trying to put all the blame on you, but from your OP I am just reminded of how my husband said almost the exact same things in counseling and the problem was not at all as one-sided as he thought it was (or wanted it to be). Consider your wife’s perspective in this. Has she asked you to do things and have you really made an effort to do them to please her, or just enough to try and shut her up? Do you keep her and your family in mind as you go about your day? Do you shut down when you come home because you think “well, I did my part?” What expectations do you have of her, and what expectations do you have of yourself? Do you hold her to a much higher standard than you have for yourself? Do you make a conscious effort to make sacrifices for her? You don’t have to answer these here, but they may be useful questions for you to consider.
 
I have a very unappreciative, angry wife and do not know how to help her. Almost every day I come home from work she is in a bad mood. Many years of this is like Chinese Water Torture.

When she starts to get angry with me, what should I do? Fighting back definitely doesn’t work. If I leave, she gets even more angry. If I ignore her it gets worse. Should I just bear this cross and let her use me as a punching bag? If it is the best cure for her problem, than I can do it. But I don’t want to do it if it makes the problem worse.
I wonder if you can add a little more specifics would here. Because I wonder if this is more serious than just bad moods and anger (which we all have, but not constantly). What are the ways she expresses her anger? Are there specific things she says or does? Does she say what she is angry about or just blame? Does it start with something little and do you see a pattern? Is she at all violent or verbally abusive?

I am curious about her daily “bad mood”. Does she seem okay when you arrive and then something happens to make you think she is a bad mood? Does she attempt to tell you about things that happen during the day that have might put her into a bad mood. And how are you responding? Most of us want to be welcomed home by someone happy to see us and not someone who is going to dump bad news on us. I personally think women “vent” too much, although it is easier to do with another woman and she may need the presence of another understanding woman in her life. One of the things I am wondering about, since this happened in my life, is if the neighborhood you live and your neighbors are disruptive to a good or even mood. (I used to have neighbors who would get into fights outside, drink beer and party in my driveway, and play loud music when my elderly mother or I was trying to sleep.) Just wondering if, when you get home, she is in a bad mood about someone or something else and tries to unload on you.

I think it is a great idea to suggest marital counseling for the two of you to help straighten the marriage. Don’t say it is to help her or even to help you (or even for the kids, because she might feel like you are saying she is hurting her kids). It’s to help the marriage and your little family.
 
I think a lot of the advice given so far is good, but I’ll be honest: my husband could have probably written the same thing when I was suffering from postpartum depression, and I felt like it was blindingly obvious what I was upset about and why, but every time he asked me (when he bothered to ask) it was like some new shocking thing to hear that I was upset that he wasn’t helping me out with the things I needed (which didn’t really change much day to day). It can get tiring for a spouse to explain:

“Yes, it bothers me that you still come home late even though I’ve asked you to make an effort to come home on time.”

“Yes, I’m still upset that you leave all the dirty dishes on the table when I have asked you 1000 times to put them in the dishwasher.”

“Yes, I’m still upset that you would rather watch TV than spend time with me and the baby.”

“Yes, it bugs me that you made plans with friends without consulting me first.”

The thing is, getting the postpartum depression diagnosis really didn’t help things at first. If it turns out that your wife does have depression or some other type of mental issue, please please please do not use that as an excuse to neglect your wife! My husband’s behavior actually got a lot worse when I finally told him that I had met with a therapist and that it wasn’t my thyroid or another medical issue, and I honestly think it’s because he thought “well, this explains everything.” PPD explained why the things he did bothered me so much, but it didn’t justify him being unsupportive (or boorish.)

Through individual and marital counseling we were able to overcome that, but it was really hard. At one point, I had to make a list of all the things that needed to happen in our house and how often I did them to show him that doing the dishes once a week or really did not qualify as “helping.” He thought he was being super loving and super supportive and I just wanted him to do too much, but he wasn’t communicating love and support to me in a way that was meaningful to me, and because that made me upset, he wanted it to be my problem instead of finding a new way to communicate. He wanted our marriage to be the way it was before we had children, and that was just never going to happen.

I am not trying to put all the blame on you, but from your OP I am just reminded of how my husband said almost the exact same things in counseling and the problem was not at all as one-sided as he thought it was (or wanted it to be). Consider your wife’s perspective in this. Has she asked you to do things and have you really made an effort to do them to please her, or just enough to try and shut her up? Do you keep her and your family in mind as you go about your day? Do you shut down when you come home because you think “well, I did my part?” What expectations do you have of her, and what expectations do you have of yourself? Do you hold her to a much higher standard than you have for yourself? Do you make a conscious effort to make sacrifices for her? You don’t have to answer these here, but they may be useful questions for you to consider.
I know this is off topic, but I just had to say what a great post. Can you please explain how your husband came around?
 
I know this is off topic, but I just had to say what a great post. Can you please explain how your husband came around?
Well, I’m not sure if it’s super off-topic since maybe it will be useful for the OP. Hopefully it is! 🙂

It is still a work in progress, but the big breakthrough came when he realized (or was willing to admit to me) that he wanted to see my issues just as my issues instead of being related to our family dynamic, because then he bore no responsibility. Postpartum depression I think can be different from other mood disorders because it’s generally temporary and the result of a major life event, but like all mental problems environment is a huge factor in getting better/managing. I did need to realize that I couldn’t trust my husband to lift me out of depression, but he also had to realize that his actions could make it a lot harder for me to do so, and in fact they were.

I had to be a lot more assertive about asking for what I wanted, and realizing that even though my mom, mother-in-law, and female friends had no problem asking me what I needed or foreseeing my needs, their response had a lot to do with how they were raised and/or their remembrance of what it was like having very young children. My husband was an only child and he grew up in a house where his dad did not do much to help around the house except for the “big stuff.” My husband really didn’t have regular chores - except mowing the lawn. 🤷 Even though he’s smart and incredibly observant in other areas of his life, he just did not see stuff at home. So when he did, he tended to overestimate how much he saw and the contribution that he made. I had to learn how to be forgiving and patient, and he had to learn not to take my asking him for additional help as criticism of what he had already done or that I was trying to sneakily take advantage of him so I could sit around and eat bon bons - not that he ever phrased it that way, but it was how he got to thinking.

It is definitely no where near perfect although I would call it workable and we do snipe at each other less over these things. I am concerned about the birth of our second child in May but I think it’ll go better this time around, partially because we both know a bit more about newborns but also because I think we’ll be able to respond to each others’ needs better. I think the big mistake we were both making in our marriage is thinking that everything was the other spouse’s problem and that we were doing everything perfectly. I don’t think there’s any way to “make” the other person get that even if you have, but counseling can be a BIG help because it’s a third party who has no skin in the game.
 
I have asked her, and it seems that even when I do what she asks there is always some new thing to be angry about and still very little appreciation that I did what she asked. This is not to say that I cannot keep doing better, though.

I am mostly concerned here with how I should act considering the strong possibility that she may continue this way for a long time. Let’s assume for the sake of this post that nothing I can do will earn her appreciation and she will be generally angry forever. I have kids and do not want a separation.

Is there a way I can live and act to make the best of the situation?
Here are a few things you can try…

If nothing you do seems to make her happy, then she probably isn’t telling you the real reason for her anger. Unless she tells you the real reason for her anger, there isn’t anything concrete you can do to ‘fix’ it. Instead, give her space to sort out her feelings and be receptive when she does want to talk.

When giving her space, do whatever it is you need to do as a husband and father (if you have kids). Take time for your hobbies and enjoy your life, as hard as it can be with an angry spouse. If you typically call her during the day, start to wean that down. Cut back on the “I love you’s” and the physical affection. Be less available. Like I said, give her space to sort out her feelings.

If she nags or becomes verbally abusive towards you, this is unacceptable. You need to teach her that you will not tolerate this behavior from her. And you do this by your actions more than your words. Never, never raise your voice to your wife or retaliate in anger. Always treat her with respect.

On the rare occasions when I encountered verbal abuse, I walked out of the house and went for a walk. When I came back, if she was still abusive I walked out again. Eventually, she will stop the verbal abuse. When she can speak to you in a respectful manner, then you can talk.

Finally, when she does open up, do not respond with anger (never ever speak in anger) and do not become defensive. Listen to her. Really listen. And if you have been wrong, admit it and tell her you want to do better. Make sure she feels safe being honest with you, even if what she says is hurtful. I’ve really struggled to do this in my own marriage, but I think I’m finally making some bit of progress. Good luck.
 
I have a very unappreciative, angry wife and do not know how to help her. Almost every day I come home from work she is in a bad mood. Many years of this is like Chinese Water Torture.

When she starts to get angry with me, what should I do? Fighting back definitely doesn’t work. If I leave, she gets even more angry. If I ignore her it gets worse. Should I just bear this cross and let her use me as a punching bag?
If it is the best cure for her problem, than I can do it. But I don’t want to do it if it makes the problem worse.
Hopefully, you’re not being used as a punching bag physically (mentally and emotionally is bad enough).

My questions are:
Is she home alone with the kids all day, or does she work outside the home?
When she starts to get angry with you, is she angry with something you have done/not done? Or for some other reason?
When she gets angry, have you ever asked her what she wants from you? Does she want you to listen to her vent? Does she want you to do something else?
This doesn’t sound normal. I would have her checked for depression.
I would also offer the possibility of anxiety. I had “anger issues” until I got help and learned to control my anxiety.
When giving her space, do whatever it is you need to do as a husband and father (if you have kids). Take time for your hobbies and enjoy your life, as hard as it can be with an angry spouse. If you typically call her during the day, start to wean that down. Cut back on the “I love you’s” and the physical affection. Be less available
. Like I said, give her space to sort out her feelings.
Be careful doing this. She make see your “giving her space” as distancing yourself from her and/or abandoning her. If she is depressed or has some other emotional / mental health issue, this could make things worse. If you plan to “give her space”, tell her why and how you will be doing this.
 
Be careful doing this. She make see your “giving her space” astancing yourself from her and/or abandoning her. If she is depressed or has some other emotional / mental health issue, this could make things worse. If you plan to “give her space”, tell her why and how you will be doing this.
Good advice. Thank you
 
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