UNBELIEVABLE, Could 1st 3 Joyful Mysteries Symbolize Entire Salvation History!

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UNBELIEVABLE, Could 1st 3 Joyful Mysteries Symbolize Entire Salvation History!

by Scott Pauline
1-21-2013

I know I post the same things over and over all the time , but this is NEW, the analogy came to me Friday morning in middle of night.

Note, in much of my theology, i have used DAYS (seven days, the days of creation, each day first part night, second part light, extended to eight by Tradition to Christ’s Resurrection on the eighth day, also the first) to image the eight great stages of human history of salvation, (God’s REcreation of the world, per several Early Church Fathers), inclusive, with the first subpart of day one, the night, being the fall and Noah’s day of wickedness, all the way to the final light being the Second Coming and New Creation, with everything in between perfectly fulfilling the whole of history thus far and beyond. In this model, the night of day five, is the last trial of OT history, Antiochus, Christ comes in light of day five, just as Christ completed his earthly ministry by Ascending to Heaven on day five of the week, Thursday)

Here is the total layout:

Day 1
Sub-part 1: Darkness: The Fall and WIckedness of Noah’s
Sub-part 2: Light: The Flood

Day 2
Sub-part 3: Darkness: Tower of Babel
Sub-part 4: Light: Confounding of Tongues and Calling of Abraham, the Hebrews, first Bride of God

Day 3
Sub-part 5: Darkness: Egypt Enslaves, the OT purgative way
Sub-part :6 Light: The Exodus, King David, The first stage of Prophets, the OT Illuminative way of light

Day 4
Sub-part 7: Darkness: The Intermediat, Pre-exile Jewish Apostasy, OT Dark night of soul for Prophets
Sub-part 8: Light: The Exile and Restoration of Jews to Holy Land, the OT Unitive Way of Light

Day 5
Sub-part 9: Darkness: The final Jewish Apostasy, OT Antichrist Antiochus of Maccabees, OT Martyrdom, Unitive way of darkness
Sub-part 10: Light: The First Coming of Christ, a New Age

NEW DISPENSATION

Day 6
Sub-part 11: Darkness: Pagan Rome Persecutes, NT Purgative way
Sub-part 12: Light: Catholic Christendom, Development of Catholic doctrine, 300 AD to 1900 ~, NT Illuminative Way of Light

Day 7
Sub-part 13: Darkness: Intermediate Gentile Secular Apostasy (1950ish to present), NT Dark Night of Soul
Sub-part 14: Light: The Minor Chastisement, Vindication of Catholic Doctrine, Our Lady’s Age of Peace, NT Unitive way of light

Day 8
Sub-part 15: Darkness: Great Apostasy, NT Antichrist, NT Martyrdom, NT Unitive Way of Darkness
Sub-part 16: Light: Second Coming of Christ, New eternal age, General Resurrection, Eternal New Creation

And just as I have used the apocalyptic DAYS, I have used HOURS, too, the hours of the parable of the laborers, in which I correlate the five times the laborers are sent out in the day to labor to be the five great times that the Church labors against those who would attack the five great sources of Her teaching:

Trinity and Incarnation = Dawn (fist heresies to Islam)
Pope – 3rd hour (Great Schsim)
General Bishops and Tradition – 6th hour (Moral laxity of Bishops and Protestant Rebellion)
Scripture – 9th hour (Enlightenment)
Reason – 11th hour (precursor to Secular apostasy of modern times)
12th hour, sunset, dark night of soul, our modern intermediate secular apostasy

I used the five months of the trumpet five to be the five sacraments that Protestants lose and that cause innocent heretics to suffer spiritual torture therefrom from presumptuous heretics who confound them with their myriads of hellfire and brimstone teaching.

Yet, I have ALWAYS pondered the MONTHS of pregnancy in St Elizabeth and Mary and could not think what it could be. After all, nine is not yet in my theology. Eight, seven, five, and two, and three so far are in my theology, but not nine.

WELL NOW I HAVE FOUND AN UNBELIEVABLE SOLUTION: let each MONTH of respective but sometimes overlapping pregnancies of St. Elizabeth and The Blessed Virgin Mary be a SUB-PART of the eight apocalyptic DAYS above, that is, either a sub-stage of DARKNESS or LIGHT (but not both, only one sub-part).

THEN THE TOTAL OF FIFTEEN MONTHS THAT SPAN FROM ELIZABETH’S CONCEPTION TO MARY’S GIVING BIRTH PERFECTLY MODEL THE GREATER AGES OF SALVATION BY THE APOCALYPTC DAY MODEL!!!
UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Don’t’ believe it, work it out as below!!

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The Church teaches that at Advent, the first coming Christ points to His SECOND coming.

Now look at the first three Joyful Mysteries. Take the whole implications:

If Zachariah’s sin in disbelieving the message, his being struck dumb because of it by positive Divine Intervention, and the conception of John the Baptist, is the beginning of the world, and if the birth of Christ is the Second Coming of Christ, per Advent type, and if a month symbolizes one half of the apocalyptic day, that is, either a great stage of darkness, or a great stage of light, then the sequence of events from beginning to end perfectly models the days of creation model for history.

Again, the months are each half of an apocalyptic day, either darkness or light:

The below numerals that count the stages are months in the pregnancies:

Zechariah disbelieves and is chastised by Divine Miracle, characteristics of history for next five and some months, half stages, God is greatly chastising humanity by Divine Miracle:

1 Fall, Noah’s Day
2 Flood

3 Tower of Babel
4 Confounding of Tongue, calling of Abraham

5 Egypt Enlslaves
6 Exodus, wandering in Desert, possession of Holy Land, King David, Prophetic Activity begins

Enter Mary to visit St Elizabeth, David is the “conception” of Christ’s reign the ultimate culmination of which will be at the Second Coming of Christ.

So too, in the midst of this substage six in human history, God’s great Divine Interventions taper off , while not totally disappearing, and the rest of history till coming of Christ is fairly prophetic, a time of waiting and watching, shown by Mary and Elizabeth’s dialogue and assistance

7 Intermediate Jewish Apostasy before Exile
8 Jews repent in Exile, Restored to Holy Land, Rebuild Temple

9 Antiochus, OT Antichrist Figure horrifically persecutes Jewish People

At the very end of nine months, St John the Baptist is born, and Mary is three and little more of a month (but how many days and hours specifically we do not know, so that exactly how long after Christ’s first coming until his second we will not know, no one knows the day or the hour, but behold, we will know the MONTH! the SPIRITUAL month) pregnant. St. John the Baptist ends all Old Testament activity, and Christ’s First Coming follows immediately. Note, we are in the midst of apocalyptic day FIVE, remember, Christ comes the first time light FIVE, five are the ages of the Old Law, say SS. Augstine and Methodius

10 Christ pierces the darkness of major stage five in the light of His First Coming and Public Ministry. He ended His Public Ministry by Ascending in the light of day FIVE., Thursday, “Sunday is the first day, not Monday, workers. :)”

Now Mary will give birth after nine months from HER Conception. NOW, when St John the Baptist was born, Mary was THREE months and a little bit MORE, but we don’t know exactly (“And thy cousin Elizabeth, who was thought barren, is now IN her sixth month with child” (but how far IN, we DON"T KNOW THE DAY OF THE HOUR OF THAT SIXTH MONTH… :D))

hence, since Mary is, at St. John’s birth three and LITTLE BIT of a month pregnant, she will give birth not EXACTLY six months after St john the Baptist, but a little LESS< hence, after the completion of FIVE months and LITTLE bit, she will give birth, but who much LITTLE BIT we don’t know, only that it is a PORTION of the month.

HENCE, we know that Mary will give birth FIVE Months and LITTLE BIT after the birth of St. John the baptist., which is after the very end nine months over all.

SO COUNT? after 9, five months and a little bit

10
11
12
13
14
(that is five full months)

and somewhere IN month…

15

What does salvation history for the Church look like in this stage> BINGO!!! It PERFECTLY MATCHES the PRIVATE REVELATION Model and NOT Augustine’s amill.

For sake of reference, repeat month 10

10 Christ pierces the darkness of major stage five in the light of His First Coming and Public Ministry. He ended His Public Ministry by Ascending in the light of day FIVE., Thursday, “Sunday is the first day, not Monday, workers. :)”

11 Pagan Rome persecutes
12 Catholic Christendom

13 Modern Minor Secular Godless age (today, 1950 - present ~)
14 Minor Chastisement and Glorious Renewal of Catholic Christendom, Our Lady of Fatima’s Age of Peace (yet future)

and… CHRIST RETURNS SOMEWHERE in subage FIFTEEN:

15 Great Apostasy, Antichrist, Great Tribulation

And why does Jesus not come at the very END of month fifteen?

Because, if Jesus did not CUT SHORT those days, “no living flesh would survive, but for the sake of the elect, those days shall be shortened”. When man is in INCURABLE apostasy, like Hebrews six, there is nothing to RESTRAIN his destruction of himself, since he will NOT repent even when he experiences his consequence, as in the bowls of wrath, Apocalypse chapter 16, the children of the beast curse God in those horrors and do NOT repent, though they bring it upon themselves, unlike the coming chastisement, in which humanity will repent and once again FEAR the Two Witnessess of Scripture and Tradition, killed by the “beast” as they see their words come true in the consequences of not listening to the Catholic Church, the heralder of their doctrines!

Is this incredible or what?!

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Note, it dethrones the long standing Church preference for St Augustine’s AMILL, in favor of a hybrid solution: The Millennium of rest is not rest in eternity, or the full age of the Church, but the second to last subage of human history in the big plan, Our Lady’s Coming Age of Peace, Christ is “reigning” in a far more peaceful sense in the coming Age of Peace than in Catholic Christendom, but it is still not “literal”, since the reign is spiritual!!

ROCK ON!!!

Addenduum: Remember the Midnight Christmas Mass invocation:

Christ came, as a baby in the 65th literal week of years per prophecy of Daniel., but the exact day in that week [year] and hour [part of a year], we do not know (somewhere like 4 or 5 BC)

When does Christ come again?

Well he comes in month 15, but which WEEK we don’t know (we know less about the Second Coming of Christ than the Jews knew of His First Coming, but we know the SPIRITUAL MONTH, but not the spiritual WEEK, unlike the Jews, who knew the LITERAL week of years to expect him, per OT Apocalypse Daniel)

14 months of weeks is 14 X (4 + 2 / 7) [one Jewish month is 30 days, or 4 weeks and 2 days] = 56 + 4 = 60 weeks.

Hence, week 15 contains weeks 61, 62, 63, 64, and a little of week 65! Somewhere in there He comes, but when, we do not know! Is that unreal or what?
 
You might be right ! 😃

This is new to me, missed your earlier posts. Let me think on this …and get back to you.
 
What do you mean by PRIVATE REVELATION MODEL ? Give us internet links to it …
 
private revelation model, per EWTN, and Desmond birch is:

Today is the minor secular godless age. It will be healed one way or another, by chastisement if necessary, for a golden reunion of Christians and restoration of Catholic Christendom, ushering in age of spiritual peace for man, a long time in which almost all humanity is Catholics and allows, more or less, the grace of God to work in their hearts.

Then, toward the end of this age of peace, man shall get lazy and fall away for the GREAT godless age, the great apostasy of Public Revelation. Then shall the big guy Antichrist come, the great persecution, great tribulatio, and, at an indeterminate time, the Second Coming and General Resurrection and end of time.

As opposed to Augustine’s amill solution, the world progressively matures into full Catholics and fully godless secular men, then the godless take majority and the world ends, so that there never is an age of peace.
 
spauline said:
private revelation model, per EWTN, and Desmond birch is:

Today is the minor secular godless age. It will be healed one way or another, by chastisement if necessary, for a golden reunion of Christians and restoration of Catholic Christendom, ushering in age of spiritual peace for man, a long time in which almost all humanity is Catholics and allows, more or less, the grace of God to work in their hearts.

Then, toward the end of this age of peace, man shall get lazy and fall away for the GREAT godless age, the great apostasy of Public Revelation. Then shall the big guy Antichrist come, the great persecution, great tribulatio, and, at an indeterminate time, the Second Coming and General Resurrection and end of time.

As opposed to Augustine’s amill solution, the world progressively matures into full Catholics and fully godless secular men, then the godless take majority and the world ends, so that there never is an age of peace.
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How long will this current mini-Godless secular age last ?
How long for the Age of Peace …under Catholic Church last ?
Will the Jews join in with Catholics during this Age of Peace, making the Church truly Universal to All Peoples ?
When will Ecumenical efforts really take hold, and the Eastern Church & Protestants come into Catholicism in a Big Way ?

I love Benedict, but we need a Young, Vibrant Pope like JP2 again, to spur on Ecumenical efforts …does this Book see that as happening soon, or are we mired in Secularism for a great while first ?
 
brb3 said:
How long will this current mini-Godless secular age last ?
How long for the Age of Peace …under Catholic Church last ?
Will the Jews join in with Catholics during this Age of Peace, making the Church truly Universal to All Peoples ?
When will Ecumenical efforts really take hold, and the Eastern Church & Protestants come into Catholicism in a Big Way ?

I love Benedict, but we need a Young, Vibrant Pope like JP2 again, to spur on Ecumenical efforts …does this Book see that as happening soon, or are we mired in Secularism for a great while first ?
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it is not for you to know [LITERAL] times and seasons. 🙂
 
brb3 said:
But, if one doesn’t …the book won’t sell and make Top 10 list.
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if you mean my book, i only deal with the SPIRITUAL ages, which are not characterized by their literal time and duration, only by their order and nature
 
spauline said:
if you mean my book, i only deal with the SPIRITUAL ages, which are not characterized by their literal time and duration, only by their order and nature
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Talking about the Desmond Birch book/Amazon books link.
 
spauline said:
one Jewish month is 30 days, or 4 weeks and 2 days
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Just to throw something in, the Jewish calendar is lunar, (a closer estimate to a month is 29.53059 days rather than 30, but leaving that aside) so a human gestation period averages 9.5 months rather than 9 months.

So when Mary went to visit Elizabeth (6 months pregnant) for 3 months, and returned, Elizabeth still could have up to 4 weeks for a normal delivery (30-42 weeks = 9.0-10.0 months).
 
Evan said:
Just to throw something in, the Jewish calendar is lunar, (a closer estimate to a month is 29.53059 days rather than 30, but leaving that aside) so a human gestation period averages 9.5 months rather than 9 months.

So when Mary went to visit Elizabeth (6 months pregnant) for 3 months, and returned, Elizabeth still could have up to 4 weeks for a normal delivery (30-42 weeks = 9.0-10.0 months).
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ok, thnx
 
A Better Explained Version of the Joyful Mysteries Greater Ages Analogy!

Here is joyful mysteries analysis shorter:

Remembering the Apocalyptic days analogy, that each DAY of Creation symbolizes and AGE of the REcreation of the world in God’s Salvation History,

day 1: Fall, Flood
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day 3: Egypt Enslaves, Exodus, Red Sea, King David

day 5: OT Antichrist Antiochus, First Coming of Christ

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day 8: Great Apostasy, Second Coming

Now each day has 2 sub-parts, first stage of spiritual darkness, then stage of spiritual light.

So 8 days X 2 sub-parts per day = 16 total sub-parts

Now note a rule, if N is the number of the day, then its sub-parts are always:

day N
sub-part 2N - 1
sub-part 2N

For example:

day 1:
sub-part 1 = 21 - 1
sub-part 2 = 21

day 2:
sub-part 3 = 22 - 1
sub-part 4 = 22

day 3:
sub-part 5 = 23 - 1
sub-part 6 = 23

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day 5:
sub-part 9 = 25 - 1
sub-part 10 = 25

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day 8:
sub-part 15 = 28 - 1
sub-part 16 = 28

Note, the Second Coming would appear to be sub-part 16, the light of day 8.

However, note, Christ technically INTERRUPTS the darkness of day 8 to come “like a thief”, else, “no flesh should be saved, but for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened.”

A rule here: what RESTRAINS the end of the world?

Answer, the Redemptive action of the Spirit. Only when humanity turns from God in such a manner that is practically INCURABLE (that is, that even when the CONSEQUENCES of their iniquity befall them, they STILL refuse to repent), is there no way to RESTRAIN the full implications of a world that is SPIRITUALLY dead, namely, PHYSICAL death.

This harkens back to Noah’s Flood, the first day? In my theology, I argue that the Flood is a more or less NECESSARY chastisement to PREVENT the world from ending. For if the world did not repent till the Floods came, would they not have persisted in their wickedness without repentance, the end of which would have been the end of the world? (For what are the ends of selfishness except man’s destruction, first, of the righteous, and then his fellow man?) Hence, the parallel I have repeatedly drawn between man in the first apocalyptic day and the last, like St Peter: The first world is destroyed, but by a Baptism. But there is only “one Baptism”, so that the world cannot be Baptized again when its challenge of God provokes a necessary destruction, only fire.

Hence, effectively, Christ comes “early”, at some point in the Great Tribulation, “for the sake of the elect”, that is, clearly, before humanity utterly dies off. And that stage of darkness is therefore not sub-part 16, but its predecessor, the darkness of age 8, sub-part ** 15 **.

Now, let us analyze the world in the days, looking closer at the subparts.

Man doubts Gods offer of love, the Fall, too, like Zachariah doubts the Message of God, the beginning.

From the Fall, then, effectively sub part 1, to approximately the midst of the Exodus, sub part 6, salvation history is characterized by supreme Divine Intervention, much more so than in later ages:

The Flood (sub part 2)
Confounding of Tongues (sub part 4)
Direct Communication of Revelation to the Patriarchs (sub part 4, 5, 6)
The Plagues of Egypt, the Exodus, the Red Sea, the Pillar of Fire the Mannah in the Desert. (sub part 6)

In the midst of the light of that sub part 6, David comes ,who is a precursor to Christ, the seed of His Kingship.

Then, for most of the rest of OT history, Supreme Divine Intervention lessens, and activity focuses more on the prophetic aspect, a period of waiting and watching.

sub parts 6.5 as it were, the prophets, 7, 8, 9
Intermediate apostasy of Jews to Old Law
Exile, Repentance, Restoration, Rebuild Temple
FInal Crisis, Maccabees, OT Antichrist, martyrdom

Christ, then effectively enters human history in the light of stage, or day, 5, which is, again, sub part 2*5 = 10.

Hence, Old Testament activity is more or less complete after subpart 9, and St. John the Baptist transitions this gap unto the Christ.

The Church then completes history, and per the Private Revelation model, as opposed to Augustine’s common solution to the Millennium of apocalypse 20, the Church herself endures 5 substages, the path of the saint, which is to say, two and one half “days”:

day 6
sub part 11: NT purgative way, Pagan Rome
sub part 12: NT illuminative way of light, doctrinal development, 300 AD to 1900 ish

day 7:
sub part 13: NT dark night of soul, modern secular apostasy, AD 1960ish to present
sub part 14: YET FUTURE: NT Unitive way of light, Minor Chastisement, vindicating Catholic Teaching, Reunion of Christians, Restoration of Christendom, fullness of Gentiles, Our Lady’s Triumph, Age of peace, the imperfect sabbath of the world, the seventh day

day 8:
sub part 15 YET FUTURE: GREAT Apostasy, NT Antichrist, Great tribulation
sub part 15.something, SECOND COMING (effectively sub part 16)

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Now look at the first three joyful mysteries, and replace “sub part” with MONTH, analogy fits perfectly:

sub parts 1 -6, that is, months 1-6, Zachariah is dumb for his disbelief, positive Divine Discipline.

Too, subparts 1 - 6 of the Divine Plan, first three “days” of human history, have PROFOUND DIvine Discipline, FLOOD, BABEL CONFOUNDING, DIRECT DIVINE COMMUNICATION WITH PATRIARCHS, EXODUS, plagues, red sea, mannah, serpents

in midst of month 6, Mary “conceives”, a fulfillment of the Davidic kingdom, (“and God His Father shall give unto Him the throne of David, and of His kingdom there shall be no end” ) Mary enters to Elizabeth, spotlight shifts to waiting, discusssing, praising, watching, helping., until the close of month 9, when St John the Baptist is born.

Ditto, sub parts 6.5 to 9 of God’s Plan, inclusive are largely prophetic in nature, awaiting Messiah. St Elizabeth gives birth in utter pain to bring forth the close of OT activity, St John.

Too, the Jews suffered terribly under Antiochus, the final history before their Messiah.

St. John the Baptist’s birth, therefore, at the end of month nine, roughly, symbolizes that OT activity has culminated gives way to Christ.

Too, the Christ enters human history at sub part 10, His public ministy and the beginnings of the Church till Rome starts brutal persecutions is effectively the LIGHT of day 5, that is sub part 5*2 = 10.

FInally, just as the Church sees, at Advent, the Christ’s first coming as a type or foreshadowing of His SECOND ,the birth of the Christ some six or less months later after St John the Baptist can image that veritable Second Coming.

Now, SIX months after NINE of the Baptist is 9+6 = 15, and behold, it is not the VERY end of month 15 overall that Jesus is born, but a little less, since, Mary conceived IN the sixth month of Elizabeth? What? Yep, Mary was not only THREE months pregnant at the birth of St John, but three and a LITTLE BIT. Hence, Jesus, if born on time, will not come at EXACTLY the end of month fifteen, but a little BEFORE, and how much, WE DON"T KNOW, the day or the hour, WE DON"T KNOW.

:D:D:D:D

Hope this helps!

Here are the days in full for reference:

Day 1:
sub part 1: darkness: Fall, Wickedness of Noah’s Day
sub part :2 light: Flood

Day 2:
sub part 3: darkness: Tower of Babel
sub part 4: light: Language Confounding, Calling of Abraham, founding of OT People

Day 3:
sub part 5: darkness:Egypt enslaves, OT purgative way
sub part 6: light: Exodus, OT Kingdom , Prophets, OT illuminative way of light

Day 4:
sub part 7: darkness: Intermediate Jewish apostasy to Mosiac Law, OT dark night of soul
sub part 8: light: Exile, Repentance, Return to Holy Land, Rebuild Temple, OT Untive way of light

Day 5:
sub part 9: darkness: OT Antichrist Antiochus, OT Martyrdom
sub part 10: light: First Coming of Christ

Day 6:
sub part 11: darkness: Pagan Rome persecutes, NT Purgative Way
sub part 12: light: Catholic Christendom, NT illuminative way of light, doctrinal development

Day 7:
sub part 13: darkness: Modern Minor apostasy, NT dark night of soul
sub part :14 light: YET FUTURE, intermediate chastisement, Christian reunion, age of peace, NT Unitive way of light

Day 8:
sub part 15: darkness: Great Apostasy, Great Chastisement, NT Antichrist, NT Martyrdom
sub part 16: light: Second Coming
 
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