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giblin
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I would like to know if the unborn babies the were artifically developed and are kept frozen until they are used for inseminating a woman, if they can be baptized so they can enter into heaven.
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Robbinson
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I believe they can and will go to heaven through baptism of desire - much as the thief on the cross was promised he would be in paradise with Jesus (he wasn’t baptised, but couldn’t be - no opportunity). An unborn child, through the mercy of God, I believe, will be baptized with the Holy Spirit and be in heaven with God.
This doesn’t mean we can sit back and give up the fight to protect these unborn children. That is our duty - to protect the sanctity of life.
Blessings,
Brian
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That_one_guy
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Could these babies desire to be baptised without ever having heard the gospel?
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I thought that limbo was where unbaptised unborn babies went…
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Seatuck
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Baptism of desire is only for adults that can reason and have heard the call to baptism. The church doesn’t teach that embryos or young children can have baptism of desire. Only someone who is alive can be baptized. It is possible to adopt an embryo or if they actually belong to you have a baptism performed and then let the embryo die a natural death.It is possible that the embryos are so small they would die during the baptism as they are very fragile cells. I don’t think it is the same situation as the thief who died under the old covenant, he did not need baptism. These babies are being created under the new covenant where baptism is necessary in normative circumstances. There circumstances are not normative.
The church teaches that we do not know exactly what happens to unbaptized children whether born or unborn. We leave them to the mercy of God. Limbo is an acceptable belief for them as is them possibly being taken directly to heaven.
I’ve heard these poor souls compared with that of the Holy Innocents. The church calls them saints as they were victims in the persecution of Jesus. These souls are victims in the war on the sanctity of life. Trust God. He has a plan.Do what you can so that fewer souls are in this situation.
The church teaches that we do not know exactly what happens to unbaptized children whether born or unborn. We leave them to the mercy of God. Limbo is an acceptable belief for them as is them possibly being taken directly to heaven.
I’ve heard these poor souls compared with that of the Holy Innocents. The church calls them saints as they were victims in the persecution of Jesus. These souls are victims in the war on the sanctity of life. Trust God. He has a plan.Do what you can so that fewer souls are in this situation.
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1ke
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Theoretically they could be baptized. But, practically-- no. First, you do not have access to these embryos. And, pouring water on them would destroy them.
We do not know what happens to the unbaptized. We trust in God’s mercy.
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Ghoti
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Br.Rich_SFO
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As far as I know these frozen embryo’s cannot express their desire for Baptism. They can be Baptized as long as they are alive and would need to be Baptized, if we want certainity of their salvation. Otherwise we can only HOPE that there Might be a way known only to God for their salvation…
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Holly3278
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I believe that the theory of limbo was done away with.Could these babies desire to be baptised without ever having heard the gospel?
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I thought that limbo was where unbaptised unborn babies went…
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Sir_Knight
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Limbo was never an official church doctrine.
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Eucharisted
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Babies can be saved if their parents desire baptism and pray for them. This is one of the teachings of the Church that a few don’t remember, because it’s hard to remember and to explain.
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Eucharisted
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Limbo of the infants is not, but limbo of the fathers - otherwise known as hell (not to be confused with gehenna) - is. Sorry, had to clarify.
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Br.Rich_SFO
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You were misinformed.
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Br.Rich_SFO
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It is incorrect to suggest that a parents desire for Baptism for their child provides Baptism of Desire. I realize that is not exactly what you said, but some may read it that way.
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Br.Rich_SFO
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Yes, Limbo of the infants was and still is a possible theory, but not a doctrine.Two doctrines concerning infants who die without Baptism are that :
- They DO NOT go to the Hell of the Damned, because they do not have personal sin. (from Tradition)
- No un-Baptized person can enter the Kingdom. (from Scripture)
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notsmart
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I believe God desires them to be with him forever. No life, not a single human life does God not love. They could not reject him at this stage in life therefore they accept his love.
That’s how I see it. Its my personal theology.
I believe all human life naturally accepts God’s love until it is able to reject it.
That’s how I see it. Its my personal theology.
I believe all human life naturally accepts God’s love until it is able to reject it.
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Sir_Knight
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“Limbo of the fathers is known as hell” – can you please offer some references for this … I would like to read more about this.
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notsmart
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I thought Limbo of the Fathers was the “bosom of Abraham”? A place where the prophets (moses, abraham, others) wait until they can enter heaven. But, I only had 2 cups of coffee so far and could be very mistaken.
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Sir_Knight
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According to this, Limbo was never a part of the Sacred Deposit of the Doctrine of the Faith.
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Well, it appears that we now have a problem on our hands. Doesn’t the church ALSO teach that at the end of time ONLY heaven and hell will exist?
Given that and your points 1 & 2 above, the ONLY place for these souls is that they will cease to exist – I can’t see any other answer
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if they cease to exist, then that would mean that they didn’t have an immortal soul and doesn’t the church also teach that we all have an immortal soul?
As I said up there, we seem to have a problem on our hands.
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Ghoti
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I thought I read recently that the “Limbo of the Fathers” (sounds like a cheesy 70s dance album) was indeed in Hell (“He descended into Hell” - Apostle’s Creed) but not Hellish per se; sort of like a waiting room with A/C and up-to-date magazines.
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notsmart
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I think for lack of a better word anywhere not heaven is hell.
Just think about it though, I dont think abraham and moses, and the others are in hell, and something tells me I dont think they are quite in heaven either though.
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