Under religion, who's opinion decides right and wrong?

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there is no such thing as personal opinion when it comes to religion, which is based on absolute truth revealed by God.
Sure there is. Its called interpretation. Plus by your thinking, your religion would have to be the ‘truth’ or the right one. There are thousands of religions out there. You can’t know for a sure fact yours is the truth. Its faith that you’re using.
 
There are many brands of Christianity with many contradictory teachings.
True. How would you go about deciding which ones are teaching the truth? Can you establish the truth?
Many fundamentalist Christians actually believe the Catholic church is the anti-christ.
Do you agree with them? Why or why not?
Once again, how can one tell which are truthful and which are liars?
The only way to determine which, if any, are, is to have a firm grasp on the source of truth.
 
There are many brands of Christianity with many contradictory teachings. Many fundamentalist Christians actually believe the Catholic church is the anti-christ. Once again, how can one tell which are truthful and which are liars?
Why don’t you go back to the first Church and read the words of the Apostles yourself? And their descendants? Justin Martyr? Tertullian? The writers of the Didache? What is consistent with their interpretation of Scripture?
 
The feeling is mutual.

I would leave it out because if it was me it would be a potential limitation. Human bandwidth of perception is notoriously small. Not that is in any way proof, but what are animals tracking when there is nothing there? Fan blades are visible when still, not so much when moving. Movies are a series of stills going by rapidly. I just always like to leave room for more. The largest room in the Universe is the room for improvement, no? 🙂
I’m not so sure. Does the universe need improvement? IMO except for the average human mind, it’s an awesome place. (There are some nagging little issues, such as the possibility of thermodynamic death, or the potential of black holes to suck up entropy. But these so-called problems are most likely artifacts generated by our limited understandings.)

I’d be more inclined to apply your “largest room” concept to the human mind-- or to minds in general, on the basis of my opinion that there are many planets full of “souls” stuck within bodies as part of their learning process.

Our minds originally come with many enormous vacant rooms awaiting improvement. Then we go to school, where we are taught to throw some paint on their walls, then lock the doors to the most interesting rooms. Then we go to church, mosque, or atheistic-run school, where we are taught to fill a big, empty, and life-controlling room with one narrow-minded organization’s version of truth, then to throw away the keys.

BTW I commonly use the “physical” adjective when referring to the universe to distinguish it from religious beliefs in a separate, disconnected, “spiritual” universe. I don’t deny the many phenomena which religionists label “spiritual,” only the validity of the label.
 
The answer, whether Catholic or not, is that it is no ones opinion that determines right and wrong. It is God’s statement that does so. If morality exists, it has to have a source. It cannot exist simply in our minds and be of any consequence, or everyone would be right (as long as they themselves felt they were right.) So the short answer is, there is no opinion that decides. God doesn’t form a judgment based on facts or without facts, His very nature is that of justice, good, and light.

Now, under religion it is still the same. No matter how any of us try to determine with our own interpretations and thoughts, opinions don’t matter only truths. So we have to determine which church we think has the truth. In the case of Catholics, we find that the Catholic church has the truth, so we trust that the Holy Spirit reveals the truth to the church.
 
God’s Opinion decides whats right and wrong no one else only God.

The truth is the truth is the truth is the truth. Truth is not a matter of opinion its a fact. God is the Truth. GOD=TRUTH.

You are asking whats your opinion is a Banana Yellow or Blue? You are asking is it okay or not okay stick a knife in someone? You are asking whats your Opinion is God real or not?
Fact: God is real, fact bananas are yellow, fact it is wrong to stab someone.

Religion doesn’t care about people’s opinions because opinions come and go but the truth always was, always is, is, and always will be the truth. The point is no one’s opinion decides whats right or wrong, except God.
 
There are many brands of Christianity with many contradictory teachings. Many fundamentalist Christians actually believe the Catholic church is the anti-christ. Once again, how can one tell which are truthful and which are liars?
When I was growing up what I heard wasn’t quite that strong. Rather it was thought that Catholics worshiped idols and icons and that it was a cult. I don’t know how wide spread or isolated that view was. But there were lots of other odd and backwards occurances in this southern baptist region.
One of the problems in discussing doctrine with Protestants is the number of different communities, each with slightly different beliefs. Some see Catholics as misguided, others as idolators, others as antichrists. It’s one reason we cherish the assurance of the Holy Spirit to guide the magisterium.

The only way to really tell who is truthful and who is lying is to look at the fruits they bear. Which group continues to keep the full tradition established by Jesus? Which maintains the faith of the Early Church, especially as distilled and formulated in the Creeds? Which does its best to keep the unity established by Christ?

Of course, being imperfect human beings, we can only get a partial answer to this question of truth. Only God knows the complete truth, and we will only see it after we pass from this “vale of tears.”
 
The only way to really tell who is truthful and who is lying is to look at the fruits they bear. Which group continues to keep the full tradition established by Jesus? Which maintains the faith of the Early Church, especially as distilled and formulated in the Creeds? Which does its best to keep the unity established by Christ?
A potential challenge is that different denominations have their own variations in how they interpret the bible. So there is a chance that given some of the above questions to evaluate they may find that they keep with the tradition that is consistent with their interpretations of which ever bible that they use.

Actually, before you get that far, some groups have (sometimes implicitly) taught their people “methods” for evaluating which group is right. So sometimes before your line of questioning can even enter into one’s consideration credibility may have already been challenged or damaged by these other verification methods.
 
A potential challenge is that different denominations have their own variations in how they interpret the bible. So there is a chance that given some of the above questions to evaluate they may find that they keep with the tradition that is consistent with their interpretations of which ever bible that they use.

Actually, before you get that far, some groups have (sometimes implicitly) taught their people “methods” for evaluating which group is right. So sometimes before your line of questioning can even enter into one’s consideration credibility may have already been challenged or damaged by these other verification methods.
This is a statement pf great importance! I’ve read that we spend our first seven years in a state similar to hypnotic suggestibility, so that we can absorb the ways of survival in our immediate family and surroundings. Would we not consider that religion is so absorbed ? Witness the multitudes of any faith that are intractable in their beliefs. It often takes serious shock to put one into a position dispassionate enough to re-assess that paradigm, or any other.

Indeed, one of the rarest, though most productive lines of inquiry is “Where do my thoughts come from or go to?” There are associated kinds of inquiry that can lead one to places that formulaic prayer and pious beliefs and practices simply cannot. Eventually, one is faced with examining the validity and truth of the standards by which they asses what they naively take as reality.

But so few go this rout that we have the disagreements fostered by the lack of insufficient self knowledge which renders the false appearance of the paradigms forced on us by habituation in the culture we grew up in.

Few escape this mental trap and therefore “understand” by rote absorption that their view of “the world” and its “history” is “true.” And the mind being what it is, individuals defend their sense of self modified by these unfortunate limitations even unto death, with never an inquiry as to their actual validity, never mind truth.
 
I’m not so sure. Does the universe need improvement? IMO except for the average human mind, it’s an awesome place. (There are some nagging little issues, such as the possibility of thermodynamic death, or the potential of black holes to suck up entropy. But these so-called problems are most likely artifacts generated by our limited understandings.)
Congratulations! Few perceive the “This is what it “is” because that’s how we see” dynamic! And that is how much religiosity happens, for better or worse.
I’d be more inclined to apply your “largest room” concept to the human mind-- or to minds in general, on the basis of my opinion that there are many planets full of “souls” stuck within bodies as part of their learning process.
Yes, Even the Founding Fathers and others before them were quite sure that there is life on other planets. For my part, I agree about the “souls” part as well, with the understanding that by my lights Atman is Brahman, though I use those terms only because they are more well known.
Our minds originally come with many enormous vacant rooms awaiting improvement. Then we go to school, where we are taught to throw some paint on their walls, then lock the doors to the most interesting rooms. Then we go to church, mosque, or atheistic-run school, where we are taught to fill a big, empty, and life-controlling room with one narrow-minded organization’s version of truth, then to throw away the keys.
Again yes, the most interesting room being the trap door into one’s self, as within the model of awareness lies the key, interpretive though it may be to some extent, to many of the exclusions inherent in the ordinary human subject-object mode of perception. Subject-verb-object is built into English and as we know, grammar colors how we organize our paradigms. Other languages have similar or different limitations, Wish I knew Sanskrit. It is allegedly free of many dualisms we take unconsciously for granted in our own usage. And knowing that, it puzzles me why the first thing we don’t look at when “thinking” about such fabulously important things as cosmology and politics, is how and why we think the way we do! E.g. there are ways to short circuit anger, fear, allergies, PTSD, and other things in a matter of tens of minutes. And yet we have psychiatrists plodding away for years sucking up hard earned patient’s cash and only naming “conditions” with pitiful and few actual practical results. The matter of Identity is an entirely other and actually far more important are that is rarely approached, even in religion, where one would think it is paramount. Oh well, go figure.
BTW I commonly use the “physical” adjective when referring to the universe to distinguish it from religious beliefs in a separate, disconnected, “spiritual” universe. I don’t deny the many phenomena which religionists label “spiritual,” only the validity of the label.
Yes, I only did the strike-out type thing precisely because of your reason. If you say “physical,” someone is triggered into saying “oh–the non physical is there as well.” Better not to provide triggers, in my book. I still agree with you: just because it is a subtler form doesn’t mean it isn’t matter, having it’s frequency specific things going on.
 
It is innteresting to see how far this discussion has digressed from the original question. The response to that was hinted out several times in the discussion, at least once very close to what is the final say-so.
To put it simply–An individuals well-formed conscience has the final say-so. The church gives a lot of great guidance–but in the end it has to come down to the individual conscience. No one else is primarily responsible for what an individual does and chooses to do. Even a law can mislead (and there are some that do!)
 
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