Understanding Absolution

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My understanding about sin and salvation in general is that Jesus’ sacrifice was for the forgiveness of all sins including those of the future and that God knows all sins of all mankind beforehand. Therefore I consider that when a person confesses to a priest, God already knows the sin and Jesus’ sacrifice has already been made for its forgiveness. So, when the priest absolves, is he mainly “declaring” that sins are forgiven by Jesus’ sacrifice or is he actually “applying” the sacrifice of Jesus to the sins.
 
In Catholic theology justification is a washing away of past sins. Jesus gives you a fresh start. But once you’ve had your garments washed in the Precious Blood of the Lamb (see Rv 7:14), you have to keep them clean. If you don’t, you need to repent and be washed again in the Blood. This is what happens in Confession.

Consider the advice Jesus gives to the church at Sardis in the Book of Revelation:

And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: …"I know your works; you have the name of being alive, and you are dead. Awake, and strengthen what remains and is on the point of death, for I have not found your works perfect in the sight of my God. Remember then what you received and heard; keep that, and repent…Yet you have still a few names in Sardis, people who have not soiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white, for they are worthy. He who conquers shall be clad thus in white garments, and I will not blot his name out of the book of life; I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels. (Rv 3:1-5)

Note first that Jesus says these people are dead. They’re not physically dead so He’s obviously talking about them being spiritually dead. Second, what is the cause of their spiritual death? Is it unbelief? No. Jesus says, “I know your works,” and that they need to “repent.” Sin is the cause and repentance for the works in question is the solution. Third, notice that He says the few who have not “soiled their garments” are the ones who are worthy. So it’s clearly possible to soil your garments after they’ve been washed in the Blood. And also note that it’s possible to get your name blotted out of the book of life when you defile your garments and don‘t repent. (See also Ex 32:31-33)

So in the sacrament of Confession the priest is not just declaring that you have already been forgiven. As the Catechism says, you are actually “recovering the grace of justification.” (CC 1446)
 
My understanding about sin and salvation in general is that Jesus’ sacrifice was for the forgiveness of all sins including those of the future and that God knows all sins of all mankind beforehand. Therefore I consider that when a person confesses to a priest, God already knows the sin and Jesus’ sacrifice has already been made for its forgiveness. So, when the priest absolves, is he mainly “declaring” that sins are forgiven by Jesus’ sacrifice or is he actually “applying” the sacrifice of Jesus to the sins.
Two parts are explained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

1442 Christ has willed that in her prayer and life and action his whole Church should be the sign and instrument of the forgiveness and reconciliation that he acquired for us at the price of his blood. But he entrusted the exercise of the power of absolution to the apostolic ministry which he charged with the "ministry of reconciliation."42 The apostle is sent out “on behalf of Christ” with “God making his appeal” through him and pleading: "Be reconciled to God."43

1444 In imparting to his apostles his own power to forgive sins the Lord also gives them the authority to reconcile sinners with the Church. This ecclesial dimension of their task is expressed most notably in Christ’s solemn words to Simon Peter: "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."45 "The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of the apostles united to its head."46
 
Thanks, it’s not a question here of Church authority, nor a sinners need to confess/repent. The question is to understand more deeply how the act of absolution relates to the sacrifice of Jesus. Catholics believe that God reconciles man to Himself by the death and resurrection of Jesus. How is the sacrifice of Jesus made manifest in confession?

For example, is the priest acting in persona Christi saying that he (the priest) in some sense has made/participated in the sacrifice for our forgiveness (e.g. St. Paul speaks of the sacrifices of Christians as uniting with the sacrifice of Jesus, Colossians 1:24).

Is the priest applying/transmitting the sacrifice of Jesus?

Is the priest declaring that our sins are forgiven by the sacrifice of Jesus?

Some combination of all of the above?
 
Here is some good info:

catholicscomehome.org/your-questions/what-is-the-sacrament-of-confession/

Christ offers us forgiveness because He is merciful.
He is not re-sacrificed over and over.
Standing “in person Christi” :

*The Church teaches that the priest ministers in persona Christi, in the person of Christ. In speaking to his disciples, Jesus said, “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me” (Lk 10:16). “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained” (Jn 20:22–23).
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Source: Catholic Answers
 
Hi, I understand about mercy and forgiveness and the Church’s authority. What I am finding in many articles about confession is an apologetic of why we have it, but it seems hard to find much discussion of what actually happens during absolution or how absolution works exactly.

Simply, I am seeking to understand what the Church believes happens in the act of absolution and how it relates the sacrifice of Jesus. Is the sacrifice “transmitted”? Is the priest’s own sacrifices of living more fully for the Church offered in union with Jesus’ sacrifice (e.g. Colossians 1:24)? Is the priest declaring that we are forgiven? Is the priest declaring that we are acceptable members of the Church (power to loose and bind).

All of the above?
 
When we approach the priest in the Confessional (who is functioning “in persona Christi”) we can be assured that our heartfelt remorse is accepted and received by the Lord and we are forgiven. Because He said so. See previous Biblical quotation.
Many people say “well, can’t I just talk to him outdoors, in the park, or in my room?”
Of course you can. But Confession is a Sacrament. It imparts GRACE.
Which, in turn, empowers us to maintain the strength to not offend God again.
We should not simply say " well, Christ died for my sins, so I’m good, and God can just continue to bless me because of it."
The remorse that we feel tells God that we are truly sorry, that we truly intend to make reparation and we truly intend to avoid sin in the future All good stuff.
 
The starting point here is to understand the distinction between “forgiveness” and “absolution.”

Forgiveness means that God Himself has removed the sin, forgotten it so-to-speak.

Absolution, is a juridic act of the Church, a legal pronouncement or judgement, that the sinner is reconciled to the Church and to God. This idea is essential in understanding the sacrament, even though it’s often overlooked.

In the sacrament of Confession, the priest both forgives (in the name of Christ) and absolves (in the name of the Church).

Since these two are so intricately linked, we often take a sort of shortcut and simply say “absolved” but what we really mean is “forgiven and absolved.” The reason is that when we are absolved, forgiveness is always included, as per the promise of Christ.

Yes, Christ died for the forgiveness of sins. That forgiveness is not somehow automatic, in the sense that the moment we sin, it’s forgiven because Christ died on the cross. We still have to seek this forgiveness. The sacrament of Confession is the ordinary means for seeking that forgiveness.
 
Thank you. You are beginning to touch on the question. I do consider that the Biblical passage in John 20 (often used as an evidence for confession) is more of a higher level teaching of Jesus that relates the the Church’s authority to bind and loose. In fact, I read somewhere that Catholic Scripture scholars today don’t directly relate John 20:21-23 to the practice of confession (correctly me if this is not true). Of course John 20:21-23 is certainly undisputable evidence of the authority given to the Church. In the context though it seems related to the birth of the Church and as such seems to relate to powers of the Church to proclaim the Gospel and “judge” whether hearers are in proper disposition to be acceptable members of the Church (e.g. true faith, right understanding, reverent attitude toward Jesus and His Church, i.e. shake the dust off your feet, whose sins you retain). This is why I consider it as somewhat more high level than directly related to the current practice of confession which apparently developed over centuries.

There is also clear biblical support for confession in general and at the beginning of mass we confess our sins to one another which seems to be the mapping of our practice to the Bible passage regarding confessing ones sins to one another (as opposed to the sacrament, or perhaps in addition to it?)

Jesus’ own authority to forgive is granted to the Church. In the Bible when He forgives, there seems to be little formal confession, e.g. the woman in adultery, the paralytic, the woman at His feet. None of these are seen confessing per se.
 
Thank you. You are beginning to touch on the question. I do consider that the Biblical passage in John 20 (often used as an evidence for confession) is more of a higher level teaching of Jesus that relates the the Church’s authority to bind and loose. In fact, I read somewhere that Catholic Scripture scholars today don’t directly relate John 20:21-23 to the practice of confession (correctly me if this is not true). Of course John 20:21-23 is certainly undisputable evidence of the authority given to the Church. In the context though it seems relate to the birth of the Church and as such seems to relate to powers of the Church to proclaim the Gospel and “judge” whether hearers are in proper disposition to be acceptable members of the Church (e.g. true faith, right understanding, reverent attitude toward Jesus and His Church, i.e. shake the dust off your feet, whose sins you retain). This is why I consider it as somewhat more high level than directly related to the current practice of confession which apparently developed over centuries.

There is also clear biblical support for confession in general and at the beginning of mass we confess our sins to one another which seems to be the mapping of our practice to the Bible passage regarding confessing ones sins to one another (as opposed to the sacrament, or perhaps in addition to it?)

Jesus’ own authority to forgive is granted to the Church. In the Bible when He forgives, there seems to be little formal confession, e.g. the woman in adultery, the paralytic, the woman at His feet. None of these are seen confessing per se.
Haydock Commentary, John 20:23

23 *Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them: and whose you shall retain, they are retained.

Ver. 23. Whose sins you shall forgive,[2] &c. These words clearly express the power of forgiving sins, which, as God, he gave to his apostles, and to their successors, bishops and priests, to forgive sins in his name, as his ministers, and instruments, even though they are sinners themselves. For in this, they act not by their own power, nor in their own name, but in the name of God, who as the principal cause, always remitteth sins. This is generally allowed to be done by God’s ministers in the sacrament of baptism, as to the remission of original sin; and the Catholic Church has always held the same of God’s ministers, in the sacrament of penance. (See the Protestant Common Prayer Book, in the Visitation of the Sick.)

— Whose sins you shall retain, they are retained: by which we see, that to priests is given a power to be exercised, not only by forgiving, but also by retaining; not only by absolving and loosing, but also by binding, by refusing, or deferring absolution, according to the dispositions that are found in sinners, when they accuse themselves of their sins. From hence must needs follow an obligation on the sinner’s part, to declare, and confess their sins in particular, to the ministers of God, who are appointed the spiritual judges, and physicians of their souls. A judge must know the cause, and a physician the distemper: the one to pronounce a just sentence, the other to prescribe suitable remedies. (Witham)

— See here the commission, stamped by the broad seal of heaven, by virtue of which, the pastors of Christ’s Church absolve repenting sinners upon their confession. (Challoner)

[2] Ver. 23. Whose sins you shall forgive, &c. See St. Cyril, lib. xii. in Joan. p. 1101, metanoousi sugginoskontes. St. Chrysostom, hom. lxxxvi. p. 517. nov. Ed., Magna est sacerdotum dignitas, quorum remiseritis peccata, &c. See also lib. iii. de sacerd. t. 1. p. 383. nov. Ed. Ibid., noli esse incredulus, sed fidelis, kai me ginou apistos, alla pistos.

haydock1859.tripod.com/id113.html
 
Oops I just noticed post #9 had an unintended icon (frowny face). This was completely unintentional, I am using smart phone, apologies particularly to FrDavid96 .
 
It is an interesting aspect of Reconciliation that FrDavid96 points out and that I have overlooked to some extent and may help Protestants to understand Reconciliation. The aspect is that being a follower of Jesus includes being part of His Church. This further points to the gift of God, that it is actually a liberating thing to have comfort from the Church in regards to one’s eternal destiny rather than a burden. After all, what Christian would like to be left alone on a deserted island with a Bible (granted better than not having one)? Our faith finds its joy and fulfillment here on earth at least in part through our sharing the excitement of it with others. ☺️
 
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