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Kitsune633
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Then explain why in your country, Copts get persecutted? Didn’t your Muhammed say to be good to the Copts of Egypt once they the Muhammedians conquered them?
Then show us what your Quran says Elwill, show us.
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Then show us what your Quran says Elwill, show us.
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Cinette
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*I have documentaries of the persecution of Christians (Catholics mainly) in Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Sudan, Somalia, and others I do not immediately remember. I read a book about the Mufti of Jerusalem and his Nazi inclinations and friendship with Hitler.
I believe that Muslims throughout the world are deceived. So many good people who are enslaved by their religion and who cannot get out because if they were to convert they can be killed. There are ex-Muslims who are secretly Christian and who hide their Faith through fear.
Since the Qur’an relegates Jews and Christians to “Hell-fire” for them to kill and persecute Jews and Christians would earn them God’s approval (in their way of thinking). The method of warfare (terrorism) employed by the Muslim countries does not abide by rules of engagement. They hide their identity and kill innocent people by the hundreds (suicide bombers are bred!!)
I would say that this is the kind of thing that would make God sad.
Are you proud of this Elwill??
Cinette
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cathdoki
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And if you notice. Hamba and Elwil NEVER respond to my posts. That’s because they know they are irrefutable. Present nothing but truth and in the same post back it up. They are helpless when that is done. Personally I’m guilty of the same things as the other Christians. I continue to acknowledge their posts. If we just didn’t, they might go away.Here is something that disturbed me:
Surah 16 (V16:112) Narrated Ibn 'Abbas said, **I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were disbelievers or ungrateful." ***He was asked, “Do they disbelieve in Allah?” (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, **"They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favours and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them for a period of time and then she sees something in you (not of her liking) she will say “I have never seen any good from you.” ** (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol 1, Hadith No. 28)
It is evident that women are 2nd class human beings and enslaved in Muslim societies.
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Cinette
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*I quoted FROM the Qu’ran and you deny that this is so!!! Well - what can I say?!
It appears, according to you, that the Qu’ran contradicts itself!!!
Cinette
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cathdoki
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:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:*I have documentaries of the persecution of Christians (Catholics mainly) in Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Sudan, Somalia, and others I do not immediately remember. I read a book about the Mufti of Jerusalem and his Nazi inclinations and friendship with Hitler.
I believe that Muslims throughout the world are deceived. So many good people who are enslaved by their religion and who cannot get out because if they were to convert they can be killed. There are ex-Muslims who are secretly Christian and who hide their Faith through fear.
Since the Qur’an relegates Jews and Christians to “Hell-fire” for them to kill and persecute Jews and Christians would earn them God’s approval (in their way of thinking). The method of warfare (terrorism) employed by the Muslim countries does not abide by rules of engagement. They hide their identity and kill innocent people by the hundreds (suicide bombers are bred!!)
I would say that this is the kind of thing that would make God sad.
Are you proud of this Elwill??
Cinette
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elwill
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firstly , is the hadeeth saying that women will go to hell for being a women ?Here is something that disturbed me:
Surah 16 (V16:112) Narrated Ibn 'Abbas said, **I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were disbelievers or ungrateful." ***He was asked, “Do they disbelieve in Allah?” (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, **"They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favours and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them for a period of time and then she sees something in you (not of her liking) she will say “I have never seen any good from you.” ** (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol 1, Hadith No. 28)
It is evident that women are 2nd class human beings and enslaved in Muslim societies.
Cinette
secondly , most probably either men or women will be more in the hell. It’s very difficult that they number exactly the same. Whoever will do more wrong deeds will be punished for that. It’s about deeds not gender and that’s where people take a wrong turn and are lead astray
thirdly , there is another Hadith which tells us that there will be more women in the Paradise then the men. It is recorded in Sahih Muslim.
which means that women are more than men in both hell and paradise either
Also we ought to keep in mind that women today outnumber men. Even if more males are born, their mortality rate is higher then female babies and we learn in Hadith that near the End of Times women will outnumber men greatly so if equal ratio of men and women goes to hell and the paradise even then it is quite possible that women remain in majority in both.
A man came to the Prophet Muhammad and asked:
The man:" To whom should I be kind?"
The Prophet replied, “Your mother.”
The man asked, “Then to whom?”
The Prophet said, “Your mother.”
The man asked, “Then to whom?”
The Prophet replied, “Your mother.”
Then the man asked the fourth time that, “Then to whom?”
The Prophet replied, “Your father.”
It is evident that fathers are 2nd class human beings .
Islam has placed women at a higher status than men in another situation
prophet mohammed (pbuh) said ‘Paradise is at the feet of the mother.’
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Cinette
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*I have always looked upon every human being as God’s creation no matter the religion. We are commanded to love ALL by our God. God does not discriminate.
My husband and I at one time ran a Training College (we are now retired) and we would enrol anyone who qualified free of charge and would redeem the cost from those companies who employed our students. There came a time when we couldn’t always operate this way because of cash flow but we did not say no to the very poor and that included Muslims. It was exciting times and running a business where you can change people’s lives is very rewarding. We would always tell our students when they left not to trade-in kindness and compassion for a BMW!
A friend of mine has a special ministry and lives on a smallholding donated by the Church where she operates. She gathers abandoned children and tries to find them homes. She herself has adopted 14 children. Most of the children are HIV positive. One day she was really cash strapped and prayed for help and help came in the form of a Muslim with an envelope containing the exact amount she needed (a substantial sum) “from the Muslim community”. We all said that he was driven by the Holy Spirit.
One has to be fair.
Cinette*
My husband and I at one time ran a Training College (we are now retired) and we would enrol anyone who qualified free of charge and would redeem the cost from those companies who employed our students. There came a time when we couldn’t always operate this way because of cash flow but we did not say no to the very poor and that included Muslims. It was exciting times and running a business where you can change people’s lives is very rewarding. We would always tell our students when they left not to trade-in kindness and compassion for a BMW!
A friend of mine has a special ministry and lives on a smallholding donated by the Church where she operates. She gathers abandoned children and tries to find them homes. She herself has adopted 14 children. Most of the children are HIV positive. One day she was really cash strapped and prayed for help and help came in the form of a Muslim with an envelope containing the exact amount she needed (a substantial sum) “from the Muslim community”. We all said that he was driven by the Holy Spirit.
One has to be fair.
Cinette
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Kitsune633
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Then explain to me the whole honor killings ElWill, if a woman has higher status, why are they killed?firstly , is the hadeeth saying that women will go to hell for being a women ?
secondly , most probably either men or women will be more in the hell. It’s very difficult that they number exactly the same. Whoever will do more wrong deeds will be punished for that. It’s about deeds not gender and that’s where people take a wrong turn and are lead astray
thirdly , there is another Hadith which tells us that there will be more women in the Paradise then the men. It is recorded in Sahih Muslim.
which means that women are more than men in both hell and paradise either
Also we ought to keep in mind that women today outnumber men. Even if more males are born, their mortality rate is higher then female babies and we learn in Hadith that near the End of Times women will outnumber men greatly so if equal ratio of men and women goes to hell and the paradise even then it is quite possible that women remain in majority in both.
A man came to the Prophet Muhammad and asked:
The man:" To whom should I be kind?"
The Prophet replied, “Your mother.”
The man asked, “Then to whom?”
The Prophet said, “Your mother.”
The man asked, “Then to whom?”
The Prophet replied, “Your mother.”
Then the man asked the fourth time that, “Then to whom?”
The Prophet replied, “Your father.”
It is evident that fathers are 2nd class human beings .
Islam has placed women at a higher status than men in another situation
prophet mohammed (pbuh) said ‘Paradise is at the feet of the mother.’
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elwill
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quote it again please , and show me the contradiction , please*I quoted FROM the Qu’ran and you deny that this is so!!! Well - what can I say?!
It appears, according to you, that the Qu’ran contradicts itself!!!
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cathdoki
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Ummmmmmmmm, really? Who are forced to cover themselves completely? ( even though it is not prescribed in the koran).firstly , is the hadeeth saying that women will go to hell for being a women ?
secondly , most probably either men or women will be more in the hell. It’s very difficult that they number exactly the same. Whoever will do more wrong deeds will be punished for that. It’s about deeds not gender and that’s where people take a wrong turn and are lead astray
thirdly , there is another Hadith which tells us that there will be more women in the Paradise then the men. It is recorded in Sahih Muslim.
which means that women are more than men in both hell and paradise either
Also we ought to keep in mind that women today outnumber men. Even if more males are born, their mortality rate is higher then female babies and we learn in Hadith that near the End of Times women will outnumber men greatly so if equal ratio of men and women goes to hell and the paradise even then it is quite possible that women remain in majority in both.
A man came to the Prophet Muhammad and asked:
The man:" To whom should I be kind?"
The Prophet replied, “Your mother.”
The man asked, “Then to whom?”
The Prophet said, “Your mother.”
The man asked, “Then to whom?”
The Prophet replied, “Your mother.”
Then the man asked the fourth time that, “Then to whom?”
The Prophet replied, “Your father.”
It is evident that fathers are 2nd class human beings .
Islam has placed women at a higher status than men in another situation
prophet mohammed (pbuh) said ‘Paradise is at the feet of the mother.’
Who is allowed to beat their wife?
Who is allowed to be killed for committing adultery, or just accused of it?
Who was about to be stoned in Iran for adultery were it not from the outcry by Christians?
I want to see you, Elwill, wearing a burqua during 100 degree temperatures. I want to see you, Elwill, be circumcised in a way to remove any pleasure attained from sex.
I want to see you, Elwill, be prevented from leaving your house without a male relative.
I want to see you, Elwill, be a slave to the wishes of a muslim “man”.
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elwill
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explain what ! it’s a crime according to islam
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cathdoki
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God does not condone this slavery of anyone. But allah does. Satan is into slavery also.
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Kitsune633
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Honor killings. Why is it when a women is around a non-Moslem man, why is she killed? What’s so “honorable” of her death? Where is the so called “honor” you feel hurt? If honor killings are a crime in Islam, why do they happen in the whole Maghreb? Why do they happen in Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine, Turkey, why do they happen? What honor are the males trying to protect? What honor? You can’t see that honor, what’s the point of killing a woman, what honor? Where’s the honor?
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cathdoki
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Kitsune, there is NO honor. It’s called slavery. And allah is all for it. allah is quite the different god. His message is war, murder, taqiyyah (the allah given right to lie to protect your interests), hate, deceit, rape, and so on.
Ya notice? No response from elwill.
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Cinette
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*We all know the Prophet loved women of all ages!firstly , is the hadeeth saying that women will go to hell for being a women ? I have not yet read the whole Qu’ran but mentioned the quotation I came upon.
secondly , most probably either men or women will be more in the hell. It’s very difficult that they number exactly the same. Whoever will do more wrong deeds will be punished for that. It’s about deeds not gender and that’s where people take a wrong turn and are lead astray I couldn’t agree with you more!
thirdly , there is another Hadith which tells us that there will be more women in the Paradise then the men.I believe this. It is recorded in Sahih Muslim.
which means that women are more than men in both hell and paradise either
Also we ought to keep in mind that women today outnumber men. Even if more males are born, their mortality rate is higher then female babies and we learn in Hadith that near the End of Times women will outnumber men greatly so if equal ratio of men and women goes to hell and the paradise even then it is quite possible that women remain in majority in both.
A man came to the Prophet Muhammad and asked:
The man:" To whom should I be kind?"
The Prophet replied, “Your mother.”
The man asked, “Then to whom?”
The Prophet said, “Your mother.”
The man asked, “Then to whom?”
The Prophet replied, “Your mother.”
Then the man asked the fourth time that, “Then to whom?”
The Prophet replied, “Your father.”
It is evident that fathers are 2nd class human beings .
Islam has placed women at a higher status than men in another situation
prophet mohammed (pbuh) said ‘Paradise is at the feet of the mother.’
Cinette
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elwill
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if you asking me if i was proud to be a muslim , then yes*I have documentaries of the persecution of Christians (Catholics mainly) in Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Sudan, Somalia, and others I do not immediately remember. I read a book about the Mufti of Jerusalem and his Nazi inclinations and friendship with Hitler.
I believe that Muslims throughout the world are deceived. So many good people who are enslaved by their religion and who cannot get out because if they were to convert they can be killed. There are ex-Muslims who are secretly Christian and who hide their Faith through fear.
Since the Qur’an relegates Jews and Christians to “Hell-fire” for them to kill and persecute Jews and Christians would earn them God’s approval (in their way of thinking). The method of warfare (terrorism) employed by the Muslim countries does not abide by rules of engagement. They hide their identity and kill innocent people by the hundreds (suicide bombers are bred!!)
I would say that this is the kind of thing that would make God sad.
Are you proud of this Elwill??*
Cinette
but , am i proud of seeing bad practices of some muslims , then no
but i never expect to see 100% of muslims to be devout and good muslims
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Kitsune633
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So then you are proud of the Islamic terrorism, you are proud of persecutting Copts, you are proud of being Anti-Christian, you are proud of a madman who happens to be a pedophile, you are proud to go after a Copt who has done nothing to you. The Quran is nothing but a magic book of desert fables, yes, a magic book of deser fables full of double standards, hate, lies, and sexism.
Hey, its true what that line from Aladdin before Disney cut it.
Were they cut of your ear if they don’t like your face
It’s barbaric but hey it’s home
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Cinette
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*See my post #116 where I quote from the Qu’ran that there are more women in hell than men and the reason why.
You then said that in another part of the Qu’ran (which I have yet to read) women are praised! That is the contradiction.
Cinette
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elwill
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do you know the difference between hadeeth and quran ?*See my post #116 where I quote from the Qu’ran that there are more women in hell than men and the reason why.
You then said that in another part of the Qu’ran (which I have yet to read) women are praised! That is the contradiction.
Cinette
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cathdoki
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***I have documentaries of the persecution of Christians (Catholics mainly) in Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Sudan, Somalia, and others I do not immediately remember. I read a book about the Mufti of Jerusalem and his Nazi inclinations and friendship with Hitler.
I believe that Muslims throughout the world are deceived. So many good people who are enslaved by their religion and who cannot get out because if they were to convert they can be killed. There are ex-Muslims who are secretly Christian and who hide their Faith through fear.
Since the Qur’an relegates Jews and Christians to “Hell-fire” for them to kill and persecute Jews and Christians would earn them God’s approval (in their way of thinking). The method of warfare (terrorism) employed by the Muslim countries does not abide by rules of engagement. They hide their identity and kill innocent people by the hundreds (suicide bombers are bred!!)
I would say that this is the kind of thing that would make God sad.
Are you proud of this Elwill??***
No Elwill, he/she’s asking if your proud of persecuting Christians.
No Elwill he/she’s asking if your proud of the association of European muslims and Hitler during the holocaust.
No Elwill, he/she is asking if your proud of muslim use of murder and terrorism in the name of allah,
No Elwill, he/she is asking if you’re proud of the Hamas use of civilians as human shields.
No Elwill, he/she is asking if you’re proud of the horrific acts by muslims. And to your credit you answered that part.
This is your quote.
if you asking me if i was proud to be a muslim , then yes
but , **am i proud of seeing bad practices of some muslims , then yes **
but i never expect to see 100% of muslims to be devout and good muslims
Those are the questions Cinnette was asking. And you stated that you’re proud of the bad practices of muslims. It’s from your own mouth.
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