Understanding Islamic Views

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Dear Brother Alcrusader,
the last half of my pm to you tells you some about me, i hope it will help you not have to make assumptions as we all do here at CAF. G-d willing it may help us communicate better.
You need to make room in your box b4 i can send it.

I am more concerned that you dont know enough about me and my posts are leading you to make statements that are only your assumptions.

I accept your apology no worries at all, i’ve met some Brothers and Sisters here who have a lot more problems than we separating emotion and helping people than we had. LOL
Why do Aussies laugh at bad stuff strange coping mechanism i guess. Not good for a global world.

Blessings to you and yours
 
Go pray you dont know what you are saying.
But concerning what I’ve said in all my posts, It 100% all true.
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You see the way you think about Islam, is still in a rosy way.
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Thats a lie

This is only one example, i have seen your conversations with others and avoided you earlier in this thread because you have done it with others.

I love you and i pmed you as i have no interest in embarrassing you i have prayed and my heart sees you as very well meaning and blessed with zeal but clearly your words have no credibility with me.

I pmed you to try and help you away from this influence that misleads your speech.

Brother scripture teaches we are Brothers and to serve each other, that we are to sharpen each other, thats my intention with you.

Seek guidance from G-d / Allah as Yeshua (pbwh) taught he is the best of guides.

May the peace of Jesus (pbwh) rest on you and yours as youes submit unto Him.
 
Quran chapter 5 verse 14

From those to who call themselves christians, We did take a covenant but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent to them. so we estranged them, “with enmity and hatred between the one and the other”, to the judgenment day, And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.

So lets say this slowly…ALLAH placed hatred and enmity between one christian and the other. “ALL CHRISTIANs” So if your argue and fight? Its from Allah. When you bicker with Eastern Orthodox and Catholics…yep its from Allah

Christians broke the covenant with Allah because the refused to bow down to ALLAH. they refuse to kiss the Black Stone, because of kabaa and pagans, they refused to bow down to ALLAH. This is why the covenant was broken

So now Christians fight…because of Allah, who made the white man hate his brother ? Allah. The whole world has ride themselves of slavery. Except Islam, slavery is part of the islamic religion. You can’t even go to court in Islam for slavery. Only religion and place left on Earth where slavery is intact.

Allah wants you to fight Catholic against Christian against Protestant, Who would do that? the ANTICHRIST.

Want ALLAH to stop??? Be a SLAVE for SATAN. Thats the only way this stops.

Does it get any clearer than this verse?

8-million muslims supported Hitler.

Sharia Law permits Slavery as we speak it is Islamic religion and law.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Quran chapter 5 verse 14

From those to who call themselves christians, We did take a covenant but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent to them. so we estranged them, “with enmity and hatred between the one and the other”, to the judgenment day, And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.

So lets say this slowly…ALLAH placed hatred and enmity between one christian and the other. “ALL CHRISTIANs” So if your argue and fight? Its from Allah. When you bicker with Eastern Orthodox and Catholics…yep its from Allah

Christians broke the covenant with Allah because the refused to bow down to ALLAH. they refuse to kiss the Black Stone, because of kabaa and pagans, they refused to bow down to ALLAH. This is why the covenant was broken

So now Christians fight…because of Allah, who made the white man hate his brother ? Allah. The whole world has ride themselves of slavery. Except Islam, slavery is part of the islamic religion. You can’t even go to court in Islam for slavery. Only religion and place left on Earth where slavery is intact.

Allah wants you to fight Catholic against Christian against Protestant, Who would do that? the ANTICHRIST.

Want ALLAH to stop??? Be a SLAVE for SATAN. Thats the only way this stops.

Does it get any clearer than this verse?

8-million muslims supported Hitler.

Sharia Law permits Slavery as we speak it is Islamic religion and law.
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In other word Allah is a very confused guy who has an ego that can only be satisfied with punishment and terror and drama of his own creatures…!
 
The Judeo Christian God is not vindictive or has to liquidate His enemies…He really has no enemies.

As St. Michael said, 'Who is like unto God?"

Even Christ spurned Satan because He is God, the face of God, the perfection of humanity…

Subsequently, in Catholicism we reflect on the very first page of the Bible in Genesis…He speaks of the woman who will crush the head of the serpent…the image that is most contemporary for today’s times is

Mary of Guadalupe…St. Juan Diego was not clear as to how he said ‘Guadalupe’…there is a river called that in Spain. But in the Indian dialect…the word Guadalupe sounds like in the Indian dialect of that time…‘She who crushes the head of the serpent’.

The Aztecs believed the sun would not come back the next day unless the moon god was avenged by human sacrifice. Different sources say a number of people had their hearts ripped out in the temple every day.

When Mary came to Juan Diego, she left the image of herself on his cape. The Aztecs communicated through pictographs. The image of Mary of Guadalupe shows her wearing a cross around her neck…This cross was of the same kind the King Montezuma had in his dream…he saw foreign ships coming in with large crosses like hers on the sails of their ships. They came with new beliefs.

Mary stood before the sun with her hands in prayer…the sun symbolizing the light of God. Her belt was above her waist…she was pregnant with Christ…she was the great missionary to the Indian people. Her dress was of Palestine…Sharon of Roses on her gown…and what is incredible is that there are stars on the image…and these were embedded as well on the night of her apparition…through astronomical science!!! So her dress reflects the actual constellation and position of the stars as they were on that December night 500 years ago.

Her feet stand partially on a cloud and on a black crescent moon with St. Michael the Archangel beneath holding her up…she symbolized the defeat and submission of the moon god that demanded human sacrifice.

When the Indians saw the image and read the meaning of the pictograph, they immediately converted and peace came between the Spanish and the Indians.

So as Catholics the enemy of Satan is another creature…and it is woman…who universally is always downtrodden and subordinate, weak and passive. Mary is the New Eve. Mary, through the humility of her heel — her Christian children – bind Satan with their rosaries and sufferings they endure in every day life…not declaring jihad on our neighbor, but living in love and charity and humility.

Satan can not be the enemy of God. So God picked a woman to crush the pride of the devil.
 
elwill said:
Abu Hurairah, (may Allah be pleased with him) quoted the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as saying: “When the month of Ramadan comes, the gates of Paradise are opened and the gates of the Hellfire are closed, and the devils are chained.” (Reported by al-Bukhari)

The statement only means that as far as the believers who are observing the rules of Allah are concerned, Satan’s control over them is diminished. This month, with all of its many blessings and spiritual incentives, puts pressure on Satan, and therefore it acts as a kind of a barrier between them and it.

Ibn Khuzaymah also states that ‘putting the devils in chains’ means that their activity during the blessed month is (only) reduced
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If you put the devil in chains and lock the gates of hell, then how can the devil do anything? I’m not being a wise-guy, but have someone tie your hands and feet, gag your mouth, and lock you in a sound proof closet and see what impact you will have on the people around you. NONE. Once again, I’m not trying to be insulting, I’m just trying to say that if Satan is chained and the gates of hell locked, then there should be no evil in the world during the month of ramadan.
 
Sam_777 said:
http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon13.gif for you famdigy,

How do you say such thing when it’s clear from the Quran (not to mention the hadiths) that Muhammed is a sinner and did many mistakes!!!
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Sam, as you already may be aware. Our position with respect to the sunni school of thought including the hadith collection and Qur’an interpretation is that it is corrupted and false. We don’t acknowledge the sunni hadith collections and the Qur’an interpretation as valid sources. And we perceive the Sunni Scholars to be the leaders of disbelieve and misguidance.

We believe at the heart of the matter was a politically motivated conspiracy by some of the people close to the noble prophet i.e. Aisha, Abu bakr, and Omar etc… to slander the prophet and attribute all sorts of bad and morally corrupt actions to him.

What follows is our view of the verses of Qur’an you quoted.
(Quran 80):
He frowned and turned (his) back, Because there came to him the blind man…
عَبَسَ وَتَوَلَّى أَنْ جَاءهُ الأعْمَى وَمَا يُدْرِيكَ لَعَلَّهُ يَزَّكَّى أَوْ يَذَّكَّرُ فَتَنْفَعَهُ الذِّكْرَى أَمَّا مَنِ اسْتَغْنَى فَأَنْتَ لَهُ تَصَدَّى وَمَا عَلَيْكَ أَلاَ يَزَّكَّى وَأَمَّا مَنْ جَاءكَ يَسْعَى وَهُوَ يَخْشَى فَأَنْتَ عَنْهُ تَلَهَّى
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(Quran 80):
He (A certain Ummayad Chieftan) frowned and turned (his) back (while he was with the prophet)
because there came to him the blind man (Ibn Um-Maktoom)

The occasion for the revelation of this Chapter was a historic event which took place. Once the Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) was with some the rich individuals of Quraish from the tribe of Umayad, among them was Uthman Ibn Affan, who took the office of caliphate later. While the Messenger of Allah was preaching them, Abdullah Ibn Umm Maktoom who was blind and was one of the companions of the Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) came to see him. The Holy Prophet received him with honor and pleasure and gave him the closest place to himself. However, the Prophet did not answer the question of the blind immediately Since he was at the middle of his speech with the Qurashites. Since Abdullah was poor and blind, the chieftains of the Quraish looked down upon him and they did not like the honor and the respect bestowed upon him by the Prophet (PBUH&HF). They also did not like the presence of the blind among themselves and his interrupting their conversation with the Prophet (PBUH&HF). Finally one of the wealthy Umayad (namely Uthman Ibn Affan) frowned at Abdullah and turned his back to him.
(Quran 74):
*O you who are clothed! Arise and warn, And your Lord do magnify, And your garments do purify, And uncleanness do shun…
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يا ايها المّثر قم فأنذر وربك فكبر وثيابك فطهر والرُّجز فاهجر
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it is commonly understood by both parties that “uncleanness” in this verse is meant in the general sense including the idols and what is uncleanly, dirty, impure, and contaminated…I fail to see how this demonstrate (sin).
(Quran 93):
*And find you lost (that is, unrecognized by men) and guide (them to you)? *
ألم يجدك يتيماً فآوى . ووجدك ضالاً فهدى . ووجدك عائلاً فأغنى
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you answered your own question here in the English translation. you understood lost to mean the prophet was misguided and therefore culpable to sin. The translation states he was lost not in the sense of being misguided but in the sense that others did not recognize him. In other words, if I were to say the ring is lost (unrecognized by others) does that devalue the ring in any way?
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(Quran 66):
O Prophet! why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you; you seek to please your wives; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

يا أيها النبى لم تحرم ما أحل الله لك تبتغى مرضاة أزواجك والله غفور رحيم

The chapter as a whole is mostly directed to the attitude of the wives who conspired against the Prophet: it talks about God willingly to replace those two wives with better wives and asks them to repent. The opening verse, at most, is a friendly rebuke by God to the Prophet for imposing un-necessary deprivation upon himself.

If a person makes such an oath and then indents to nullify it, then he is permitted to do so after paying expiation for it. (See 5:89)
[5:89] GOD does not hold you responsible for the mere utterance of oaths; He holds you responsible for your actual intentions.

(Quran 8:67-68):
It is not fit for a prophet that he should take captives unless he has fought and triumphed in the land; you desire the frail goods of this world, while Allah desires (for you) the hereafter; and Allah is Mighty, Wise. Were it not for an ordinance from Allah that had already gone forth, surely there would have befallen you a great chastisement for what you had taken to.
مَا كَانَ لِنَبِيٍّ أَنْ يَكُونَ لَهُ أَسْرَى حَتَّى يُثْخِنَ فِي الْأَرْضِ لَوْلَا كِتَابٌ مِنَ اللَّهِ سَبَقَ لَمَسَّكُمْ فِيمَا أَخَذْتُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ
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This verse addresses the Muslims not the noble Prophet after the battle of Badr was concluded. Again, there is no evidence the prophet sinned.
 
Alcrusader said:
Your welcome my friend at anytime.
did you red the post #702

Now let’s try to understand somethings with logic. can we?

All humans are touched by the devil [from the Islamic point of view] even Mohammad and all other prophets.
Only Jesus wasn’t touch by the devil, this make him what?
A normal Human or something more???

Fill the missing “???” by the correct statement:

Humans -----> Touched by the devil
??? -----> Not Touched by the devil.
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You’re mistaken here friend. All prophet’s are sinless according to the Qur’an. The sunnis ofcourse believe that all prophets can sin and make mistakes. But the Qur’an tells us otherwise.
  1. The devil has no influence over Prophets.
  2. Prophets are to be obeyed unconditionally.
  3. Sinners and wrong-doers are not to be obeyed.
  4. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that prophets are not in the same category of sinners and wrong doers.
if you do consider the sunni’s point of view regarding the Prophets making mistakes and sins you are in the wrong whether you obey them or not because:
  1. If we obey the prophets and commit a sin, we would disobey Allah (swt) who has told us not to commit sins.
  2. If we disobeyed the prophet and refused to commit the sin, then we will still be disobeying Allah (st) who has told us to obey the prophets unconditionally.
 
famdigy said:
Our position with respect to the sunni school of thought including the hadith collection and Qur’an interpretation is that it is corrupted and false.
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:rolleyes: 90% are wrong and just the 10% who are right !!!, it seems we will never have agreement on something even the Quran itself.
We believe at the heart of the matter was a politically motivated conspiracy by some of the people close to the noble prophet i.e. Aisha, Abu bakr, and Omar etc… to slander the prophet and attribute all sorts of bad and morally corrupt actions to him.
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:dts:
 
we are all muslims,and thats the most important…now what they say about Aisha,and the sahaba is a sin and they will be judged by God,but not us
 
seraphime2008 said:
In other word Allah is a very confused guy who has an ego that can only be satisfied with punishment and terror and drama of his own creatures…!
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Allah isn’t confused at all. He’s converting Souls to his cause at an alarming rate. And those he can’t immediatly convert he confuses with logic based on nothing but Pagan belief in the end. And those who won’t be swayed by this thinking would be destroyed by violence and the very essense which the Quran is written.

The reason each and every one will follow a religion varies. But in the end we have a religion which pits Good against Evil. We know the outcome, the Bible has already told this.

But this isn’t the point, look at the cost of this War, and I’m not speaking monetary, look at the amount of Souls being dragged to Hell.
 
Everyone chill out… we don’t want this thread locked… please. !!!
 
Originally Posted by elwill
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3-64 Say: “O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah. that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.” If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah.s Will).
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The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) attributed certain rights to Egyptian Copts that he did not grant to other minorities, where Ka`b ibn Malik narrates from the Prophet, “If Egypt is conquered, treat the Copts with dignity, for they have a blood relation with us.”.
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The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was reported to have said prophecy on his deathbed, “By Allah, respect the Copts of Egypt, for you shall conquer them, and they shall be your supporters in the cause of Allah” (At-Tabarani).
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In another hadith, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Treat them well, for they are an asset to you and a warning against your enemies by the Will of Allah.”
Reference here is made to Egyptian Copts (Ibn Hibban).
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I grabbed the above quote from Elwill from another thread and felt it should be discussed within this thread since it is about “Islamic Views”.
“If Egypt is conquered, treat the Copts with dignity, for they have a blood relation with us.”.
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Are the Copts of Egypt treated with dignity??
By Allah, respect the Copts of Egypt,
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Are the Copts of Egypt respected in any way…??
“Treat them well, for they are an asset to you
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Are the Copts of Egypt treated well…???

Since you are all commanded to follow the sunna of the prophet, why aren’t muslims in Egypt treating the Copts they way mohamad discribed you should…???

Thanks!
 
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