Uneccesary C-section immoral?

[Book_Worm]

Did you not read the Original Post? I never claimed there is a Church Teaching, yet I have actually heard a priest criticize the practice in a homily. His homily was much more “sound” than you twisting my question.

It is not your place, that of the priest whose homily you admire, or any other man who will never experience all of the pain of pregnancy and childbirth, not just labor and delivery, to pontificate on the merits of experiencing unnecessary pain in childbirth.

It is people like you who fuel the feminist movement and give credence to their claims of an oppressive patriarchal society.

What makes you think you have the right to tell a woman what is to her spiritual benefit when you cannot begin to comprehend what you are talking about? The fact that you equate sitting by your wife’s side to the pain she will likely endure is a clear indication of how little you understand.

It’s obvious that you and your DW were upset and possibly traumatized by her being forced into a medically-unnecessary C-section. But please don’t extrapolate that to other places and situations where it is simply not the case. Neither I, my DD, any of my friends or their DDs were encouraged to have one. I don’t even know of anyone who had a planned section.

And please don’t twist your desire for natural childbirth into something that is morally superior to suffering unnecessary pain. You have never given a REASON for this opinion. Several PPs have pointed out that the same scriptural verse that says that woman will labor in pain to bear children also says that men will live by the sweat of their brow, yet you have never addressed your apparent disregard for that portion of God’s pronouncement.

Your contention that you have any right to tell women how they should handle childbirth is extremely offensive.

 

[mommamaree]

It is not your place, that of the priest whose homily you admire, or any other man who will never experience all of the pain of pregnancy and childbirth, not just labor and delivery, to pontificate on the merits of experiencing unnecessary pain in childbirth.

It is people like you who fuel the feminist movement and give credence to their claims of an oppressive patriarchal society.

What makes you think you have the right to tell a woman what is to her spiritual benefit when you cannot begin to comprehend what you are talking about? The fact that you equate sitting by your wife’s side to the pain she will likely endure is a clear indication of how little you understand.

It’s obvious that you and your DW were upset and possibly traumatized by her being forced into a medically-unnecessary C-section. But please don’t extrapolate that to other places and situations where it is simply not the case. Neither I, my DD, any of my friends or their DDs were encouraged to have one. I don’t even know of anyone who had a planned section.

And please don’t twist your desire for natural childbirth into something that is morally superior to suffering unnecessary pain. You have never given a REASON for this opinion. Several PPs have pointed out that the same scriptural verse that says that woman will labor in pain to bear children also says that men will live by the sweat of their brow, yet you have never addressed your apparent disregard for that portion of God’s pronouncement.

Your contention that you have any right to tell women how they should handle childbirth is extremely offensive.

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[rcwitness]

Some things I would like to clear up in this discussion…

There are two very different approaches to a vaginal birth

1.) Normal Birth = using medical interventions such as epidurals, petocin etc. (sometimes necessary and sometimes not)

2.) Natural Birth = using natural techniques (labor tub, massages, birthing ball… Even having a Doula can decrease chances of needing pain medication or end up with a c-section)

When choosing a Normal Birth with medical interventions, one is opening the chain of events of medical interventions on a woman in labor. For example, petocin (which is an injection of artificial oxytocin to the womans body to induce) which synthetically causes the woman to have contractions, but at a much stronger level. This causes a deeper pain, which means a need for an epidural. Now once the woman is under the influence of an epidural, she is in less control of things. The doctor monitors her condition and how and when to push. The natural steps of labor are taered with and unattatches mother from active participation.

In a natural birth, the mother is able to use techniques which assist the natural process of labor. She can walk around and practice breathing techniques, use a birth tub, stand or be in different positions which are conducive to delivering a baby. Laying on the back and being sedated with drugs is more likely to prolong a birth.

This being said, I am not accusing any woman who chooses to use drugs to help her with pain as sinning. Yet, there is a disattatching from the process of birth and altering the direction. This is still NOT the question of my thread.

What I am proposing is that a woman is NOT a patient in a hospitol because she is ready to deliver a baby, AND from all exams using medical technology she has NO conditions or problems which require a surgery instead of vaginal birth, whether Normal with interventions (when needed) or a completely natural with many techniques and knowledgable people with experience. For example, my wife will NOT have a doctor at the house, yet there will be a nurse and a doula (woman who helps with techniques and methods for the mother to successfully deliver the baby). She has been visiting a doctor, who will be available in case of a problem during delivery. This doctor will be at the hospitol.

I have expressed the complete difference of a labor which has no signs of problems and a healthy woman and child reaching full term and naturally going into labor, and a woman who, without any evident issues of danger or risk of complications chooses a surgery (which is NOT a minor surgery, but major) to remove the baby from the womb. This surgery is classified as major because of the level of risk. The level of risk of complications from a pregnant woman without any pre existing signs of complications and who has not naturally gone into the stage of labor increases 3 times for the mother and 2.5 times for the child.

As for the comments about…

17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”

I dont see how the assistence of medicine or technology in either case is wrong. Whether the man, or the woman they are able to use their mind and resources to assist their work. Man has the duty to work to receive food and his needs.

What would be the equivalent of a woman choosing unwarranted surgery as an alternative to a vaginal birth for a man working for his living? Using equipment for his work? I dont see the analogy.

The issue, is using the necessary means of medicine and intervention when actually needed.

 

[Book_Worm]

You plainly said that epidurals are “spiritually unhealthy.” You also said that the use of drugs causes “disattaching from the birth process.” Both those statements are pretty judgmental.

Look, every woman, every birth is different. It is imprudent and offensive to have people sit in judgment of others’ choices.

An unnecessary C-section may or may not be morally wrong. However, none of us have the right to judge the decisions others make since we cannot know the motives and circumstances behind them. I would be very surprised if there wasn’t some degree of difference in what one doctor deems medically necessary and what another, more cautious doctor does.

It seems like you and your wife have a challenging birth ahead of you. I wish you the best with it and respectfully suggest that that be the focus of your concern rather than asking for opinions on hypothetical situations which none of us are capable of forming with any degree of certainty.

 

[rcwitness]

It is not your place, that of the priest whose homily you admire, or any other man who will never experience all of the pain of pregnancy and childbirth, not just labor and delivery, to pontificate on the merits of experiencing unnecessary pain in childbirth.

It is people like you who fuel the feminist movement and give credence to their claims of an oppressive patriarchal society.

What makes you think you have the right to tell a woman what is to her spiritual benefit when you cannot begin to comprehend what you are talking about? The fact that you equate sitting by your wife’s side to the pain she will likely endure is a clear indication of how little you understand.

It’s obvious that you and your DW were upset and possibly traumatized by her being forced into a medically-unnecessary C-section. But please don’t extrapolate that to other places and situations where it is simply not the case. Neither I, my DD, any of my friends or their DDs were encouraged to have one. I don’t even know of anyone who had a planned section.

And please don’t twist your desire for natural childbirth into something that is morally superior to suffering unnecessary pain. You have never given a REASON for this opinion. Several PPs have pointed out that the same scriptural verse that says that woman will labor in pain to bear children also says that men will live by the sweat of their brow, yet you have never addressed your apparent disregard for that portion of God’s pronouncement.

Your contention that you have any right to tell women how they should handle childbirth is extremely offensive.

I definitely have a right to determine for myself what is moral and what is not. The Chirch does NOT have an official position on this matter, but that does not mean that choosing an unnecessary c-section is morally good.

I have shared my opinion and asked for others to share theirs. I am not condemning or judging anyone, but that it is my personal judgment that an unnecessary c-section is wrong, and actually reflects the willingness we are able to suffer for what the Lord has called us to.

I have not even told anyone that I cant be convinced of a different opinion about the matter. In fact, this was a big part of asking Catholics here. I want to here the faith of those out there. So far, I havent heard alot of faith based opinions, but people being offended and accusing me of having a feminist mentality. And people thinking that my opinion doesnt matter because I cant actually give birth. Those people assume that I would not choose what I am suggesting.

When you say “unnecessary pain” it contradicts the scriptures.

There are numerous places in Scripture where the life of the Church is likened to a mother’s pains in child bearing. Why? Is it because this pain and struggle is unnecessary? Maybe The Holy Spirit has fashioned birth and its pain to the Christian life for a deep reason.

Maybe the pain of following Jesus and the suffering aginst our human nature is important. Maybe the beauty of a natural vaginal birth is special, because it is the natural law written into us.

If my wife happens to come into complication during her birth and requires a surgery of c-section to safely deliver the baby, so be it. Why would that be wrong. But this would still not be putting aside the desire to accept what birth was intended to be. I would never hold it against a woman who fully intended to deliver her baby in the most natural way as sinning because complications arose which put the baby or herself in danger and she chose interventions.

But this is a very sacred gift and should be approached with faith. Paul says, “what is not from faith in sin.” And…“We are heirs of God…provided we suffer with Him.”

What would be the Apostle’s analogy of the Christian Church and bringing her children into the life of Christ be with a woman choosing an unnecessary surgery in her delivery? I think its a Church who make compromises and avoids what God has willed.

I say all of this in a full knowledge that I myself fall short of suffering for Jesus, and would never think myself greater than any woman who did choose an unnecessary c-section. But my point is not to justify our weakness but confess that it is in fact a weakness which causes us to do this.

 

[rcwitness]

You plainly said that epidurals are “spiritually unhealthy.” You also said that the use of drugs causes “disattaching from the birth process.” Both those statements are pretty judgmental.

And right now, I still agree with these statements. However, I am not judging anyone for choosing to do what I see as spiritually unhealthy. i dont hold it against them, and rather forgive them.

Look, every woman, every birth is different. It is imprudent and offensive to have people sit in judgment of others’ choices.

again, I can make my own judgment about the matter without casting judgment on anybody. But I feel this is important because statistics show societies going into this practice. I do not have to agree with it, and I can still not judge those who practice it.

An unnecessary C-section may or may not be morally wrong.

Thanks for being honest here. All Ive asked for, is Catholic brother’s and sister’s opinion and dialogue.

It seems like you and your wife have a challenging birth ahead of you. I wish you the best with it and respectfully suggest that that be the focus of your concern rather than asking for opinions on hypothetical situations which none of us are capable of forming with any degree of certainty.

Thank you very much. I appreciate your posting in this thread.

 

[thewanderer]

And right now, I still agree with these statements. However, I am not judging anyone for choosing to do what I see as spiritually unhealthy. i dont hold it against them, and rather forgive them.

It doesn’t matter whether or not you judge others, if you consider epidurals for pain relief as spiritually unhealthy simply because it means the mother is not experiencing as much “pain from childbirth” which is God’s punishment for women then, in order to be logically consistent you must also believe that anything that makes man’s work easier and causes him to sweat less is just as spiritually unhealthy. Do you also agree with this statement? If not, how can you agree with the first but not the second?

 

[rcwitness]

It doesn’t matter whether or not you judge others, if you consider epidurals for pain relief as spiritually unhealthy simply because it means the mother is not experiencing as much “pain from childbirth” which is God’s punishment for women then, in order to be logically consistent you must also believe that anything that makes man’s work easier and causes him to sweat less is just as spiritually unhealthy. Do you also agree with this statement? If not, how can you agree with the first but not the second?

It depends on what work we are talking about. This prophecy is general towards man and his work. If you want to propose a specific profession with a fair analogy, then you can do so. But the prophecy for a woman, is specific to child bearing. It was not in God’s natural law or His punishment that we should intentionally avoid vaginal birth and its pain by means of surgery without any eminent threat.

I do think that a man should work for his wages and provide an honest living for his family. What would be a fair comparison for a man and his job to an unnecessary c-Section?

 

[thewanderer]

It depends on what work we are talking about. This prophecy is general towards man and his work. If you want to propose a specific profession with a fair analogy, then you can do so. But the prophecy for a woman, is specific to child bearing. It was not in God’s natural law or His punishment that we should intentionally avoid vaginal birth and its pain by means of surgery without any eminent threat.

Yes, it is general towards man and his work, however you cannot take the punishment for women literally (that they must experience physical pain itself rather than some sort of discomfort or inconvenience) without taking the punishment for men literally as well. This means that no matter what the work is, if it doesn’t involve the man sweating then it is spiritually unhealthy and anything that reduces the sweat the man experiences is also spiritually unhealthy. So, for instance, air conditioning is spiritually unhealthy for men. Again, I really don’t see how you can escape that conclusion if you insist on taking the punishment for women literally and as something that would be spiritually unhealthy to alleviate.

 

[rcwitness]

There are also many other benefits of natural birth as opposed to c-section.

Baby can immediately breast fead
Ambilical cord can remain attatched for a healthier length.
Babie’s lungs are naturally compressed pushing out fluid from them.

 

[Hobbes42]

It depends on what work we are talking about. This prophecy is general towards man and his work. If you want to propose a specific profession with a fair analogy, then you can do so. But the prophecy for a woman, is specific to child bearing. It was not in God’s natural law or His punishment that we should intentionally avoid vaginal birth and its pain by means of surgery without any eminent threat.

I do think that a man should work for his wages and provide an honest living for his family. What would be a fair comparison for a man and his job to an unnecessary c-Section?

It is specifically stated that man “will bring forth his daily bread by the sweat of his brow”.

If we’re to take this to the logical conclusion of what you’re arguing, the only job a man can take is farming, and it must involve extreme toil sweat and labor. So no white collar jobs, no desk jobs, nothing but farming.

It didn’t only state that man would have to work, it stated that man would bring forth bread by the sweat of his brow and that the earth would yield food unwillingly.

 

[rcwitness]

It is specifically stated that man “will bring forth his daily bread by the sweat of his brow”.

If we’re to take this to the logical conclusion of what you’re arguing, the only job a man can take is farming, and it must involve extreme toil sweat and labor. So no white collar jobs, no desk jobs, nothing but farming.

It didn’t only state that man would have to work, it stated that man would bring forth bread by the sweat of his brow and that the earth would yield food unwillingly.

I dont interpret it that way. Id see it as saying man must labor for his food and it will not be handed to him without putting forth effort to the analogy and in most cases sweating.

Im not using this prophecy as a sole means of my faith

But it is true that any man who does not work and struggle for his living is putting asside his duty. We are called to earn our living and to some it is easier and some it is more difficult. Some women’s labor is actually relatively smooth without much pain.

The man who does try to avoid working hard, will suffer a consequence. I never said How wrong I think an unnecessary c-section is, but just avoiding an important suffering. In the spiritual life Scripture expresses the importance of laboring in the field. I think our spiritual life should also show in our physical life.

Id actually be curious to know how many women who choose unnecessary c-sections practice contraception too.

 

[thewanderer]

It is specifically stated that man “will bring forth his daily bread by the sweat of his brow”.

If we’re to take this to the logical conclusion of what you’re arguing, the only job a man can take is farming, and it must involve extreme toil sweat and labor. So no white collar jobs, no desk jobs, nothing but farming.

It didn’t only state that man would have to work, it stated that man would bring forth bread by the sweat of his brow and that the earth would yield food unwillingly.

Exactly. OP, I would like an answer as to whether or not you agree that air-conditioning and a lack of manual labor is spiritually unhealthy for men. If you do not agree with this statement then I hope you will retract your claim that epidurals are spiritually unhealthy for women. If you accept both claims then thats you’re perogative, but it is not in line with Catholic teaching on the subject as the Catholic Church does not have a problem either with epidurals or air-conditioning.

 

[thewanderer]

It is specifically stated that man “will bring forth his daily bread by the sweat of his brow”.

If we’re to take this to the logical conclusion of what you’re arguing, the only job a man can take is farming, and it must involve extreme toil sweat and labor. So no white collar jobs, no desk jobs, nothing but farming.

It didn’t only state that man would have to work, it stated that man would bring forth bread by the sweat of his brow and that the earth would yield food unwillingly.

Exactly. OP, I would like an answer as to whether or not you agree that air-conditioning and a lack of manual labor is spiritually unhealthy for men. If you do not agree with this statement then I hope you will retract your claim that epidurals are spiritually unhealthy for women. If you accept both claims then thats you’re prerogative, but it is not in line with Catholic teaching on the subject as the Catholic Church does not have a problem either with epidurals or air-conditioning.

 

[thewanderer]

I dont interpret it that way. Id see it as saying man must labor for his food and it will not be handed to him without putting forth effort to the analogy and in most cases sweating.

Im not using this prophecy as a sole means of my faith

But it is true that any man who does not work and struggle for his living is putting aside his duty. We are called to earn our living and to some it is easier and some it is more difficult. Some women’s labor is actually relatively smooth without much pain.

The man who does try to avoid working hard, will suffer a consequence. I never said How wrong I think an unnecessary c-section is, but just avoiding an important suffering. In the spiritual life Scripture expresses the importance of laboring in the field. I think our spiritual life should also show in our physical life.

Id actually be curious to know how many women who choose unnecessary c-sections practice contraception too.

By what criteria do you interpret “pain in childbirth” literally but interpret “sweat of the brow” as not being a literal description of the punishment?

 

[rcwitness]

Exactly. OP, I would like an answer as to whether or not you agree that air-conditioning and a lack of manual labor is spiritually unhealthy for men. If you do not agree with this statement then I hope you will retract your claim that epidurals are spiritually unhealthy for women. If you accept both claims then thats you’re prerogative, but it is not in line with Catholic teaching on the subject as the Catholic Church does not have a problem either with epidurals or air-conditioning.

I do not have to agree to your terms because they are not compatable. My opinion regarding epidurals, is that it does reject a certain amount of suffering which God fashioned birth to contain. I certainly dont think it is grave.

Why dont you stick to the topic of UNNECESSARY C-SECTIONS???

By what criteria do you interpret “pain in childbirth” literally but interpret “sweat of the brow” as not being a literal description of the punishment?

Show me a man who refuses to work if it means he will sweat, and I’ll show you a man who is spiritually unhealthy.

 

[thewanderer]

I do not have to agree to your terms because they are not compatable. My opinion regarding epidurals, is that it does reject a certain amount of suffering which God fashioned birth to contain. I certainly dont think it is grave.

Why dont you stick to the topic of UNNECESSARY C-SECTIONS???

Show me a man who refuses to work if it means he will sweat, and I’ll show you a man who is spiritually unhealthy.

I have already answered the question about unnecessary C-Sections. It seems pretty clear to me that if the benefits from the C-Section do not outweigh the potential harms from it then it is immoral. I don’t really see what else there is for me to say about the topic.

There is no woman on this planet who goes into childbirth expecting a completely pain-free birth. You are holding men and women to different standards with respect to the punishment received by God. Again, by what criteria do you interpret “pain in childbirth” both literally and as something sinful to try to alleviate while at the same time not holding “sweat of the brow” as being meant literally and as something it would be sinful to try to alleviate.

 

[rcwitness]

I have already answered the question about unnecessary C-Sections. It seems pretty clear to me that if the benefits from the C-Section do not outweigh the potential harms from it then it is immoral. I don’t really see what else there is for me to say about the topic.

then you agree with my main point.

BTW my wife just reminded me of the homily which our pastor (their are several rotating priests here, but we enjoy his faith) criticized unnecessary c-sections. He talked about how the womb is holy and should not be cut open and damaged without justified reasons.

There is no woman on this planet who goes into childbirth expecting a completely pain-free birth. You are holding men and women to different standards with respect to the punishment received by God. Again, by what criteria do you interpret “pain in childbirth” both literally and as something sinful to try to alleviate while at the same time not holding “sweat of the brow” as being meant literally and as something it would be sinful to try to alleviate.

I am willing to relent some on my statements about epidural use. I really dont think it is that good of an approach to birth, honestly. But its not what I see as a big problem.

The big problem is unnecessary c-sections and if you lived here in Brazil, you’d get a dose of a messed up system of doctors and their mentality. The fact is, is that they want to treat birth as a surgery and undermind the sacred and personal health and choice of women. Its truly ugly.

When we came here for our first baby (which was to be with my wife’s family for the birth) we met three doctors. The first refused to assist (deliver) a normal birth, the second agreed and each checkup he made excuses why she needed a c-section (first that my wife was too fat, which was silly, then that the baby was too big, which she was born 6.0 lbs, and then he said I could be in the room if it was c-section but not for normal birth. He aid it was the hospitols policy, so we asked the hospitol administration and they said they have no rule about that. So we said we didnt need him because he lied. The third doctor gave her a check and actually pushed his finger into her uterus to the point that hurt her! On our way home her water broke ( because he intentionally induced). So back to him we went and in the room, he kept coming in every hour to put his finger in her (which is wrong and increases risk of infection). After only 6 hours he insisted on a c-section and even though I told my wife it was not too long we were young and afraid to fight with the doctor.

The doctors convince women with all sorts of garbage that it is a better way to have the baby. You would not believe the sort of constant hassle we have gotten over not wanting a c-section. But im very proud of my wife. She has researched alot. There are actually more home births here than in the States because of the horrible system. But I have grown to appreciate the team of nurses, doctor, and doula who will be helping us. The doctor will not be involved unless there is a problem.

A pregnant woman is not a patient. There is nothing wrong with her and really does not need a doctor or hospitol. But there can be any number of complications which call for a doctor and in some cases a c-section. The percentage of legitimate c-sections should be between 10 and 15 percent of births.

My wife is the one who will deliver her baby. I will catch the baby and cut the cord. We will help and support in any way we can. The invironment, people present, techniques, and tools used will all help give her a good experience and birth. Please pray for us. We are very willing to do what may be necessary if problems arise that are out of our control.

 

[PolarGuy]

OP, please stop thinking about playing Russian roulette with the lives of your wife and unborn son, because your theologically-incorrect pastor gave some personal opinion masquerading as a “homily” (and which should be reported to the bishop as such), and you’ve decided to take him literally.

We can debate this until we’re blue in the face. That will serve no rational purpose.

So I will end with this:

Crazy is crazy.

I’m moving on.

 

[thewanderer]

then you agree with my main point.

BTW my wife just reminded me of the homily which our pastor (their are several rotating priests here, but we enjoy his faith) criticized unnecessary c-sections. He talked about how the womb is holy and should not be cut open and damaged without justified reasons.

I am willing to relent some on my statements about epidural use. I really dont think it is that good of an approach to birth, honestly. But its not what I see as a big problem.

Here is the question though, do you think its not a good approach for practical medical reasons? Or is this still based on the assumption that it is somehow spiritually unhealthy?

The big problem is unnecessary c-sections and if you lived here in Brazil, you’d get a dose of a messed up system of doctors and their mentality. The fact is, is that they want to treat birth as a surgery and undermind the sacred and personal health and choice of women. Its truly ugly.

When we came here for our first baby (which was to be with my wife’s family for the birth) we met three doctors. The first refused to assist (deliver) a normal birth, the second agreed and each checkup he made excuses why she needed a c-section (first that my wife was too fat, which was silly, then that the baby was too big, which she was born 6.0 lbs, and then he said I could be in the room if it was c-section but not for normal birth. He aid it was the hospitols policy, so we asked the hospitol administration and they said they have no rule about that. So we said we didnt need him because he lied. The third doctor gave her a check and actually pushed his finger into her uterus to the point that hurt her! On our way home her water broke ( because he intentionally induced). So back to him we went and in the room, he kept coming in every hour to put his finger in her (which is wrong and increases risk of infection). After only 6 hours he insisted on a c-section and even though I told my wife it was not too long we were young and afraid to fight with the doctor.

The doctors convince women with all sorts of garbage that it is a better way to have the baby. You would not believe the sort of constant hassle we have gotten over not wanting a c-section. But im very proud of my wife. She has researched alot. There are actually more home births here than in the States because of the horrible system. But I have grown to appreciate the team of nurses, doctor, and doula who will be helping us. The doctor will not be involved unless there is a problem.

A pregnant woman is not a patient. There is nothing wrong with her and really does not need a doctor or hospitol. But there can be any number of complications which call for a doctor and in some cases a c-section. The percentage of legitimate c-sections should be between 10 and 15 percent of births.

My wife is the one who will deliver her baby. I will catch the baby and cut the cord. We will help and support in any way we can. The invironment, people present, techniques, and tools used will all help give her a good experience and birth. Please pray for us. We are very willing to do what may be necessary if problems arise that are out of our control.

I will certainly say a prayer for you that it all goes smoothly, though again, I strongly urge you to do a non-biased investigation into the dangers of home vbacs. I don’t know the full situation in Brasil, but I do know that while home-birth can be safe in certain circumstances, vbacs significantly increase poor outcomes of homebirths. Unnecessarily increasing the risk of harm to mother and baby is wrong, this is true whether or not the increased risk comes from medical care or an intentional lack of it. So, again, I don’t know your situation in Brasil, but I do know that home vbacs greatly increase the risk of harm, with a recent study in the US showing that home vbacs led to the deaths of about 4 times as many babies as vbac in a hospital setting. Again I don’t know you or your particular situation, but I strongly advise you that you make sure you are not taking on this increased risk of the death of your baby unnecessarily.