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How hard is it still to get a job if you have been out longer then 6 months? I know that with most jobs if you have been out for longer then 6 months you are bacically screwed. Most companies are saying if unemployed do not apply or if long term don’t apply even if they physically don’t put it on the hiring app. I do know so far that you have a better chance of getting a job within those 6 months unless that has changed. If you have been out of work longer then 6 months how did you get back into the rat race, If not what are you trying to do to get back in? This includes college grads also.

2nd. Does this need not apply also effect overseas hiring too?
 
Very hard. At least on my end anyway. I have 2 technical certifications and I am a veteran. I have not had a job in 4 years.
 
It depends on the job and the company. I have a relative who was out of work for several years, some by choice to take care of her children. When she wanted to go back to work, the only thing she could find was a job that was part time barely above minimum wage. She took the job but kept looking. After about 6 months she was offered what she called a “real” job as a manager in a different company. She is in her late 50s and lives in a high unemployment area. So, it is possible. I think you just have to let everyone know you are looking and be persistent.
 
I have never screened out an applicant because of a gap in employment. I have interviewed many people who were getting back into the workforce after being stay at home moms, etc. I never rule anyone out.

Can’t speak for others, but this would not be an impediment in my book. Especially with the economy of the last few years.
 
I am struggling with unemployment as well. My biggest concern was my references are getting out of date and my last manager REFUSES to give me a reference and I reported to her for my last 3 years. I was PETRIFIED that I would never get a job for lack of references.

I know have a 3 months contract and they didn’t even ask for references.

So, IMO, all those business magazines can say whatever they want. God is driving the boat and I would pray to Him and take secular advice a bit more lightly

Angie
 
1ke said:
I have never screened out an applicant because of a gap in employment. I have interviewed many people who were getting back into the workforce after being stay at home moms, etc. I never rule anyone out.

Can’t speak for others, but this would not be an impediment in my book. Especially with the economy of the last few years.
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I have screened out an applicant, when the economy was much better, that had a gap due to the fact that most times, these applicants were employed and have omitted it from their application due to problems. I’ve found that to be true several times.

Our corporate name changed a few years ago and I received a resume from a former employee that had omitted his employment with us. It was omitted because he was a nightmare of an employee and he certainly wasn’t going to use us for a reference. After that, I became very wary of gaps.

In this economy, six to eighteen month gaps in employment can be common. The same rules do not apply.
 
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1ke:
I have never screened out an applicant because of a gap in employment. I have interviewed many people who were getting back into the workforce after being stay at home moms, etc. I never rule anyone out.

Can’t speak for others, but this would not be an impediment in my book. Especially with the economy of the last few years.
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I give preference to people who ‘need a break’. You sort of lose your soul the higher up you go, and doing good for people is one way to use your power.

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Brandall said:
I have screened out an applicant, when the economy was much better, that had a gap due to the fact that most times, these applicants were employed and have omitted it from their application due to problems. I’ve found that to be true several times.

Our corporate name changed a few years ago and I received a resume from a former employee that had omitted his employment with us. It was omitted because he was a nightmare of an employee and he certainly wasn’t going to use us for a reference. After that, I became very wary of gaps.

In this economy, six to eighteen month gaps in employment can be common. The same rules do not apply.
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Do you ever screen out people who seem to have too many different jobs for short periods of time?
 
meltzerboy said:
Do you ever screen out people who seem to have too many different jobs for short periods of time?
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I depends on the job they have. There are a lot of companies in this industry that bulk up for a big project then let the employees go when the project is complete. I know those companies operate that way so if I saw someone with a short stint with one of those, would not see it as a caution.
 
Last year I got a job fairly quickly, and had been out of work for 3.5 years. It was a contract job, so they didn’t care as much about employment gaps. In fact a lot of the people who were hired at the same time as me had gaps that were just as long.

In my case I made sure to talk about the volunteer work I was doing during that time.

I’ve actually found it harder now after my contract ended. I don’t have any references from past employers either. All of the companies had a no reference policy. 😦
 
It depends on the job market and the company. People can take career breaks for various reasons. Some jobs are easier to step back into than others. You may need to update your skills and education, you may have a more junior position until you are back up to speed in performing your job.
 
feed_me said:
How hard is it still to get a job if you have been out longer then 6 months? I know that with most jobs if you have been out for longer then 6 months you are bacically screwed. Most companies are saying if unemployed do not apply or if long term don’t apply even if they physically don’t put it on the hiring app. I do know so far that you have a better chance of getting a job within those 6 months unless that has changed. If you have been out of work longer then 6 months how did you get back into the rat race, If not what are you trying to do to get back in? This includes college grads also.

2nd. Does this need not apply also effect overseas hiring too?
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I understand and appreciate your frustration. Here in the UK most of the Job Agencies are only putting workers from eastern Europe on there database. Its a ridiculous situation. They only need to work for three weeks, and can then claim all of the same welfare, social and health benefits as a full UK citizen, including social housing and child benefit for children that don’t even live here! If a foreign worker has children up to the age of 16 she or he will receive £27-$32 per week for each child. Even when they stop working in this country, the payments continue for subsequent children they may have. And all of this is possible with 3 weeks labour!!! Its sucking our country dry. Its causing a lot of grief, and I feel ashamed that its nurturing a nasty feeling of hostility inside me! 😦 I will pray you find employment soon feed me. I am self-employed and just getting by, but would like your prayers for my nasty anger.😦
 
Would volunteering help in any way?
I have learned that I will lose my job in a month. I have applied for another and I am told I have a good chance, but they will be hiring at the end of the year, not right now, so I will have 2-3 months in between.
I also volunteer when I am employed, but now that I will have more time I am starting a project (two if I get the other organization interested) for which I will need all of the skills I would need for a paid job, so I will be able to use it as experience. It will be long-term, so I will set it up and get everything started in a way that will allow me to keep it going when I go back to work. Basically all of the projects in which I am involved show that I am keeping up with my line of work and using and improving my skills. That is not my main reason for what I do, I love it and I am good at it, but it is also experience and I do put in a lot of work, so I mention it.
I realize not everyone can do that, and not all companies will consider it valuable experience, but maybe you can look for volunteering opportunities which would work for you as well as the organization.
 
Ms_Manners said:
Would volunteering help in any way?
I have learned that I will lose my job in a month. I have applied for another and I am told I have a good chance, but they will be hiring at the end of the year, not right now, so I will have 2-3 months in between.
I also volunteer when I am employed, but now that I will have more time I am starting a project (two if I get the other organization interested) for which I will need all of the skills I would need for a paid job, so I will be able to use it as experience. It will be long-term, so I will set it up and get everything started in a way that will allow me to keep it going when I go back to work. Basically all of the projects in which I am involved show that I am keeping up with my line of work and using and improving my skills. That is not my main reason for what I do, I love it and I am good at it, but it is also experience and I do put in a lot of work, so I mention it.
I realize not everyone can do that, and not all companies will consider it valuable experience, but maybe you can look for volunteering opportunities which would work for you as well as the organization.
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Volunteering because you can’t stand to be idle is indicative of a workaholic. That is a positive sign for an employer.
 
TheBurningBush said:
I understand and appreciate your frustration. Here in the UK most of the Job Agencies are only putting workers from eastern Europe on there database. Its a ridiculous situation. They only need to work for three weeks, and can then claim all of the same welfare, social and health benefits as a full UK citizen, including social housing and child benefit for children that don’t even live here! If a foreign worker has children up to the age of 16 she or he will receive £27-$32 per week for each child. Even when they stop working in this country, the payments continue for subsequent children they may have. And all of this is possible with 3 weeks labour!!! Its sucking our country dry. Its causing a lot of grief, and I feel ashamed that its nurturing a nasty feeling of hostility inside me! 😦 I will pray you find employment soon feed me. I am self-employed and just getting by, but would like your prayers for my nasty anger.😦
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No anger there,🙂 Btw do you have a better chance also if you work self employed to get interviews?

I know that in the US with Sallie Mae so far that if you have been out of work for more then 6 months they quickly send you a rejection letter, even though when I was within 6 months I got a telephone interview with them and a lady that I talked to said that more or less in her own words that “I can see that you have been unemployed for less then 6 months”(and no disrespect to her at all). I know that I havent used the skills they need in a while( and I admited it in the interview) so I went back and got those skills, and reapplied again and got a “While your background is impressive, we have selected candidates whose experience more closely match our current business needs.” I mean I will try again for it when it open up, but I wont worry about it.

Btw is it also better to list my volunteer expierence with the Church? I didn’t put it down beacuse I didn’t think it would be nessesary. I do have years of volunteering work for the Church. This is for anybody to answer.
 
Brandall said:
Volunteering because you can’t stand to be idle is indicative of a workaholic. That is a positive sign for an employer.
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Many employers don’t see the value of volunteering, depending on what you do as a volunteer. They see it as a hobby sometimes, think of it as something to pass your time. But many projects require different skills, responsibility and planning, management… All very useful things. Some have started to recognize that, so sometimes it is good to mention it even if you were not formally employed for a period.

For me it’s not just about not being idle. I volunteer because I feel the need to help, and sometimes I get a good idea and I want to make it happen. I love my line of work, I am good at it and I love to help, so I just put those things together when I can.
feed_me said:
Btw is it also better to list my volunteer expierence with the Church? I didn’t put it down beacuse I didn’t think it would be nessesary. I do have years of volunteering work for the Church. This is for anybody to answer.
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If it is something related to your line of work or the job you are applying for, I say list it.
In my country the Church is not very popular right now, it is not popular to be religious, but still, it shows that I haven’t been sitting at home watching TV but using my skills.
Maybe put more emphasis on what you were doing, and less on where you were doing it, if that is your problem.
 
I am in the United states. I remember looking for work back in 2010 (that was when our economy was at its peak worst) and I had been unemployed for months, had a criminal record, no vehicle (that I could drive) no HS diploma (I finally got one about 5 or 6 months into my job search) and I even had to turn down a job offer because it would have interfered with some of my court ordered obligations. And one of those court ordered obligations was to find employment! 😛 Mcdonalds did not even call me back!

I think in those situations, it is not what you know, it is who you know. A friend let me use him as a reference at a employment agency to get myself sent to the same place he was working. I have a friend who was unemployed for probably 5 years and that is the same way he finally got a job. Someone told him where to apply, where the employer would not care about his long gap in work history. If I were interviewing someone to hire, I would probably ask about any long gaps in employment, but 6 months is not really that bad these days. I don’t think so anyway.
 
Quite some time ago when I was employed I started a small business, incorporated and all the proper paperwork done.

I had times when I was in between positions, that I secured temp work, consulting and did contracting work. I ran all this through the corporation and titled myself as a manager. So even while “unemployed” I was able to appear gainfully employed and earn some money while pursuing a position in my field. It also helped me to keep the IRS at bay by properly documenting any income and costs of business appropriately.

Now for about $75/year I keep this corporation alive and can always use it as an employment reference. Since I am working for a corporation, I am gainfully employed and this can be backed up by documentation.
 
SamH said:
Yes.

If they wouldn’t stay at those companies why would they stay at mine? Turnover expense is HUGE!!!
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This will also depend on the field you are in and if each move involved greater responsibilities.

The IT field where I live is notorious for 18 to 24 month turnover and quite often if you are at one position for more than 4 years a perspective employer may wonder why. In some fields the only way for advancement is to move to a different company.

If you want a company that you can stay with for awhile and advance, find a midsized business that is expanding. Long term established “blue chip” companies generally don’t offer as fast advancement as a growing company. Where a smaller company is looking to grow geometrically, an established business is going to grow fractionally.
 
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