I don’t have to pretend.
I have witnessed it first hand.
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I have witnessed it first hand.
Interesting that you attempt to paint me into that corner.
So tell me…What “implied way” are you talking about?
Where exactly do you place my position?
And how exactly did you reach this conclusion without reading more into my posts then what I have actually written?
You may believe that if you wish.
Nevertheless, your rephrase said something that I did not.
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aspawloski4th
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No safety net, every man for himself.
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aspawloski4th
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And I have seen the opposite firsthand lots of times.
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jmcrae
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Given that most working-class people spend everything they earn in the same month that they earn it, what, exactly, is your position?
How do you propose that someone who finds himself suddenly and unexpectedly unemployed, with little or no savings, support himself for two years or more, while looking for work?
Also, what’s your plan, personally? If your business suddenly goes under, and you find yourself unexpectedly without an income, do you have a plan for taking care of yourself until the economy improves and you can start up a new business? Or are you assuming that you are indestructible?
You are answering a perfectly valid question with questions.
This is hardly productive. Perhaps dishonest.
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aspawloski4th
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Like the man with the flat tire said, “spare me”!
Great.
It is good to know that there are honest people in the world.
Now given that we have both witnessed the full spectrum from honest person looking for work to dishonest abuser of the system; I am sure there can be agreement that this unemployment insurance in no way be considered payment for looking for work.
Else there would not be such an easy route to abuse.
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LCMS_No_More
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In order to fight WW2 there had to be MASSIVE government interventions into the economy. In fact, the government basically took over the economy and ordered car makers to start making planes, tanks and bombs. People were rationed things like butter and meat. Can you say massive Keynesian stimulus?
Fair enough, but incorrect.
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jmcrae
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I’m trying to find out what your solution to the problem is.
I just hope that when (not if) you lose your business and your home that there is someone there to catch you and keep you off the streets until you can pull yourself back together - after all, that’s what I pay taxes for.
First you need to find out the precise problem.
Tell me what we are trying to solve here.
Unless your Canadian tax dollars translate into some tangible benefit for those of us in the Southern United States, that is NOT what you pay taxes for.
Unless you somehow pay tax to America in some way…
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jmcrae
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The immediate problem is that a large number of workers have been unemployed for nearly two years, due to a lack of opportunities.
We want to keep them alive until the economy improves to the point where there are jobs that they can be hired for. Right?
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LCMS_No_More
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Not so. You choose to live here and open an business here. If you want to live in a country where the government will leave you alone, I would like to give you the opportunity to move to any one of a number of countries where there is no real government so you can do whatever you want without meddlesome gubmint getting in your way…try anywhere in the third world…Haiti and Somalia are good examples of right-wing no-government paradises you might want to investigate.
Until then, you aren’t coerced into anything because you CHOOSE to own and operate a business in the United States.
Then provide the opportunity. Not a hand out.
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jmcrae
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Who should do that, then? (On the minimum wage thread, you are arguing that it’s not the job of employers to provide their workers with a living wage. So, if not employers, then who?)
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I_Fortuna
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Congress is scheduled to consider adding another 43 weeks to the 99 they have already approved.
Our country is too soft. Hardship builds character. I heard one politician comment that extending benefits will keep families together. Really? What happened during the depression? Families buckled down and came together and they survived. Then they prospered. I know the social justice proponents will be aghast reading this post. While I acknowledge that as Catholics, we need to be sensitive to the needs of our brothers and sisters, at the same time too many entitlements allow folks to drift into a sort of productive coma. Is that good?
Well, this is not exactly true.There was rampant unemployment, a lot of suicides, extremely long lines at the soup kitchens and many people not only died but were forced to do menial jobs for next to nothing to just get something to survive. Many people became ill from malnourishment and a lot of women and their babies died in childbirth because they could not get medical assisstance. The farmers and sharecroppers seemed to have it the worst. Although many people survived many families were torn apart while members went their separate ways some far away to find work. I don’t think suffering of people is mitigated just because they survived and I don’t think it necessarily builds character. Of course, this is not just my opinion, my grandparents and great grandparents my mother and her siblings, and several of my relatives all suffered greatly during the depression.It didn’t bring families together it scattered them. I know this isn’t true of everyone but I thought you should see the other side of the coin. The people of the Appalachias and other poor areas of the U.S. are still struggling.
Actually, I am 100% behind the idea that we have to look out for the sufferings of others. I just don’t think that the government taking money from the producers and giving it to the leaches is real social justice. Again, I realize that there are exceptions. But, the way this government thinks scares me. We are creating a whole social group of dependents.
OK, fire away…
Inflammatory, and wrong.
I understand the confusion that could be present given that people often mistake there being no government in place for a corrupt government.
Goverment corruption is not something that either end of the political spectrum strives for.
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