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i live in the pittsburgh area of pennsylvania and just got finished watching a televised radio show by lynn cullen. i don’t know if anyone has heard of her. i only caught the last 15 or so minutes. the show was on gays and the church. it was so upsetting. at the end of the program she said she was looking at a photo from 9/11 of 8 firefighters holding the dead body of a catholic priest that was their priest whom was openly gay. could someone please tell me how this is going on in our church. if there are openly practicing gay priests why aren’t the bishops doing something about this? a guy called up on the show and said this is the reason he left the catholic church ~ because we are using this as a witch hunt. and as a church we don’t treat others the way we would want to be treated. i know that is an unfair statement. our church is in such trouble. do we need a lot of new bishops or what is going on.
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Hi, Ruby.

I live in Pgh, too. I wouldn’t even bother listening to Lynn Cullen. She is biased against the church and probably painted the issue in the blackest light she could. She attracts listeners (like the caller) who just want to bash the church.

Regarding the issue itself, you have to remember that JPII warned that the church (and her priests) could need to get smaller in order to become purer. It’s going to start with the seminaries, but it won’t end there!!! It’s gone on for a long time, and it will take time (and pain) to fix it. Twenty five years ago, my sister (who has since left the church and now hates it with a passion) was married (she’s now divorced and remarried) in a east suburban parish by the parish priest who was openly gay. It was well known amongst the parishioners, and apparently accepted. The upside to all this turmoil is knowing that in the not too distant future, this will be an issue of the past.
 
well
you made me feel a little better
i will not watch lynn cullen anymore
she is mixed up i do believe
i usually only watch ewtn and the news
my husband was clicking the remote and landed on lynn cullen
we had to listen to what she was saying
i don’t know what the world is coming to but it is a bad situation
something has to change and i think it is going too
thanks for your reply
 
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…After the first series of newspapers stories reported that Father Mike was a homosexual, suddenly politicians were standing up in Congress lamenting the death of “Father Mike, the gay priest.” Concerned that Father Mike was being used by homosexual activists, I began to contact many people who knew him for as long or longer than I did. I wanted the truth about Father Mike to be published. Not one of these longtime friends every heard or saw anything that Father Mike did that would indicate he was homosexual. I personally spent weeks at a time with Father Mike where he and I spoke about many personal matters. Not once was there even a suggestion that Father Mike was “gay.” He was a celibate Catholic priest and nothing more…
 
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ruby:
well
you made me feel a little better
i will not watch lynn cullen anymore
she is mixed up i do believe
i usually only watch ewtn and the news
my husband was clicking the remote and landed on lynn cullen
we had to listen to what she was saying
i don’t know what the world is coming to but it is a bad situation
something has to change and i think it is going too
thanks for your reply
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Lynn Cullen is no friend of the Church. And yes we do need a LOT of new Bishops. The problem is that this will take a long time. And the damage done by men like Mahoney, Weakland, McCarrick and others will be difficult to undo.
 
rayne89 said:
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…After the first series of newspapers stories reported that Father Mike was a homosexual, suddenly politicians were standing up in Congress lamenting the death of “Father Mike, the gay priest.” Concerned that Father Mike was being used by homosexual activists, I began to contact many people who knew him for as long or longer than I did. I wanted the truth about Father Mike to be published. Not one of these longtime friends every heard or saw anything that Father Mike did that would indicate he was homosexual. I personally spent weeks at a time with Father Mike where he and I spoke about many personal matters. Not once was there even a suggestion that Father Mike was “gay.” He was a celibate Catholic priest and nothing more…
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I posted on the FR thread. There is no proof whatsoever that this priest was “openly gay”.
There are tons of rumors but no proof.
He ministered to those with AIDS and the militant Catholic gay lobby wanted him to be gay. He is not here to defend himself.
 
From what I’ve read since 9/11 fr. Judeg was a celibate gay, but not “open”. Some knew, others never guessed.

This link is informative:saintmychal.com/life03.htm#GOLDTHING

“But he was out to Thomas Von Essen, the fire commissioner. “I had no problem with it,” Von Essen says. “I actually knew about his homosexuality when I was in the Uniformed Firefighters Association. I kept the secret, but then he told me when I became commissioner five years ago. He and I often laughed about it, because we knew how difficult it would have been for the other firefighters to accept it as easily as I had. I just thought he was a phenomenal, warm, sincere man, and the fact that he was gay just had nothing to do with anything.”
But the fact is, sometimes it did – particularly when he was ministering to Catholics who were struggling with their own sexual orientation.”

“Mike taught me how to come out as a young man,” says Brian Carroll, who in addition to being a friar at St. Francis is also a psychotherapist. “And how to see sexuality as an important part of who I am. He took away the shame. For some people, sexuality is a part of their shame. Or homelessness is a part of their shame. Or addiction is a part of their shame. Mychal helped people embrace all the shame parts of themselves and turn them into something good.”

Much more about Fr. Judge is there. Preventing people with a gay orientation from being priests will exclude many good people, yet might prevent some inappropriate candidates from being admitted.
I think that for many years the priesthood was a convenient place for gay men to hide the truth from others, and maybe from themselves, in that they never had to explain why they weren’t married, or dating. Today, with many more people openly gay, the preiesthood might not attract as many people looking for a place to hide their homosexulaity.
 
there are two really conflicting stories about this priest here. one of them has to be a lie. it is really upsetting. what is this world coming to that people do this sort of thing?
 
My solution would be to not accept openly “gay” or men who have practiced homosexuality in the past into seminaries. but there is one problem…
On the level of serving as a priest, being aflitced with SSA would not be a problem if you controlled yourself and took celebacy seriously. It would be a similar (but i agree a much more dangerous, potentially scandalous, and heavy) cross to bear.
the problem lies in that to become a priest you must be in a seminary; For those with SSA, 4-9+ years (if you do minor/formation house at a college and major seminary) in a male-only environment would simply be a great occasion of sin and it would be extremly irresponsble for the Chruch to send her sons there knowing that it would lead them to sin almost assuredly. (i mean im a pretty chaste guy, but i know that if i were living, eating, sleeping, and bathing with a gaggle of women for 9 years, I’d fall into sin at some point if not many many many times, God forbid) So we have a catch 22…
 
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