Unforgiveable Sin?.....Come on

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Maybe I have been awy to long from my faith, but I dont remember that a sin can be unforgiveable.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit
What does that mean?

Now, with that said, Since God, Jesus and the Holy spirit are one, and I use Jesus’s name in vain, is that unforgiveable?

I have a few years in the Navy and many years on construction sites. My language used to be very colorful, enough to make a sailor blush. It still is a little rough around the edges, but I am working on it.
 
Unforgivable sin:
Partaking of the Eucharist with a full understanding that you have committed mortal sin, have not confessed it and do not care.

That’s one anyway…according to my priest
 
catsrus said:
Unforgivable sin:
Partaking of the Eucharist with a full understanding that you have committed mortal sin, have not confessed it and do not care.

That’s one anyway…according to my priest
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Whoa! Is it possible you misunderstood your priest? Surely he would admit that if one began to care, he could be forgiven?

Betsy
 
catsrus said:
Unforgivable sin:
Partaking of the Eucharist with a full understanding that you have committed mortal sin, have not confessed it and do not care.

That’s one anyway…according to my priest
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I do not think that is an unforgivable sin. That it is a grave matter is certainly true. And, since you imply knowledge, and time to consider it, that means it would be a mortal sin. The Apostle says that we would be “guilty of the body and blood of the Lord” whould be do that. Perhaps you misunderstood the priest.

However, I do admire the priest for being really firm here. Many are not.

It is my understanding that the only unforgivable sin is what the OP mentioned, Blasphamy of the Holy Spirit. I have heard it described (admittedly by a heretical nun) to be final impenitence, a refusal to seek God’s mercy or reject Him. While this can be done during our life, of course, it does not (according to this wacky nun) really matter until the moment of death.

(What makes this nun “wacky” is that she does not believe in mortal sin or Hell, and she thinks abortion is usually okay. She also claims that people get to see a glimpse of Heaven at the moment of death so 100% of people choose to call on God for mercy. Thus Hell is moot. Like the Magesterium, I disagree with her.)
 
outfctrl said:
Maybe I have been awy to long from my faith, but I dont remember that a sin can be unforgiveable.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit
What does that mean?

Now, with that said, Since God, Jesus and the Holy spirit are one, and I use Jesus’s name in vain, is that unforgiveable?

I have a few years in the Navy and many years on construction sites. My language used to be very colorful, enough to make a sailor blush. It still is a little rough around the edges, but I am working on it.
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CCC 1864 “Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.” There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit. Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss.
 
thistle said:
CCC 1864 “Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.” There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit. Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss.
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Ahh. Sanity. Thank you Thistle.
 
outfctrl said:
Maybe I have been awy to long from my faith, but I dont remember that a sin can be unforgiveable.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit
What does that mean?

Now, with that said, Since God, Jesus and the Holy spirit are one, and I use Jesus’s name in vain, is that unforgiveable?

I have a few years in the Navy and many years on construction sites. My language used to be very colorful, enough to make a sailor blush. It still is a little rough around the edges, but I am working on it.
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Judas committed the unforgivable sin - the sin of despair, followed by self destruction. He refused to believe that God could forgive him. In a way it was also a form of pride. “I am so bad that even God can’t forgive me.”
 
porriwiggle said:
Judas committed the unforgivable sin - the sin of despair, followed by self destruction. He refused to believe that God could forgive him. In a way it was also a form of pride. “I am so bad that even God can’t forgive me.”
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I feel compelled to poiunt out that this description of Judas is not a Church teaching. The Church has never stated that a particular person is in Hell (which is a direct result of committing and unforgivable sin), even Judas.

Have made that disclaimer, it seems likely that Porriwiggle is correct. Judas got himself into some serious trouble. I do not believe I will have a chance to talk about what happened to him when I get to Heaven. Though I am looking forward to talking to St. John and St. Peter and the other Apostles, about the events of that night.
 
I think alot of people look at this the wrong way when they first see it. They see the words “unforgivable sin” and automatically think that the reason it is unforgivable has something to do with God’s end of the equation in that he doesn’t want to or would refuse to forgive us after some point. However, the real reason it is unforgivable is because we will not allow it to be forgiven. It is purely our fault that this would be unforgivable, and no blame can be placed on God. God forgives those who seek forgiveness, but he does not force forgiveness on those who reject it.
 
outfctrl said:
Maybe I have been awy to long from my faith, but I dont remember that a sin can be unforgiveable.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit
What does that mean?

Now, with that said, Since God, Jesus and the Holy spirit are one, and I use Jesus’s name in vain, is that unforgiveable?

I have a few years in the Navy and many years on construction sites. My language used to be very colorful, enough to make a sailor blush. It still is a little rough around the edges, but I am working on it.
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The sin you ask about is described in some detail in the gospel of Mark chapter 3:

**The scribes who had come from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” 10 and “By the prince of demons he drives out demons.” ****23 ****Summoning them, he began to speak to them in parables, “How can Satan drive out Satan? ****24 ****If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. ****25 ****And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. ****26 ****And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand; that is the end of him. ****27 ****But no one can enter a strong man’s house to plunder his property unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can plunder his house. ****28 ****Amen, I say to you, all sins and all blasphemies that people utter will be forgiven them. ****29 ****But whoever blasphemes against the holy Spirit 11 will never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an everlasting sin.” ****30 ****For they had said, “He has an unclean spirit.” **
The sin that the scribes are guilty of is looking at Jesus, seeing the good works that he has done and saying that he (Jesus) is possessed by an evil spirit. In claiming this they have completely lost touch with the reality of their Jewish faith.

This sin is not the same as using God’s name in vain, refusing to accept Jesus as one’s savior, or even the sin of despair.

Though all those are serious enough.

Peace

Jim
 
outfctrl said:
Maybe I have been awy to long from my faith, but I dont remember that a sin can be unforgiveable.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit
What does that mean?

Now, with that said, Since God, Jesus and the Holy spirit are one, and I use Jesus’s name in vain, is that unforgiveable?

I have a few years in the Navy and many years on construction sites. My language used to be very colorful, enough to make a sailor blush. It still is a little rough around the edges, but I am working on it.
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Originally Posted by thistle
CCC 1864 “Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.” There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit. Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss.
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Thank you Thistle. I’ve always wondered and sometimes feared I committed this “unforgivable sin”. Thank you for clearing that up for me.👍
 
outfctrl said:
Now, with that said, Since God, Jesus and the Holy spirit are one, and I use Jesus’s name in vain, is that unforgiveable?

I have a few years in the Navy and many years on construction sites. My language used to be very colorful, enough to make a sailor blush. It still is a little rough around the edges, but I am working on it.
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Remember that there is a big difference between a mortal sin and an unforgiveable sin. Mortal sins are still forgiveable so long as one does not blaspheme the Holy Spirit by attributing a work of the Holy Spirit to the the devil. That is the only one recorded in the Bible.

In my studies of the Word of God, I have come to the conclusion that one would have to pretty much reject all graces from God to “go there” as they say. Most people are not likely to do that but more like St. Thomas, when confronted with the ans wer to hs doubts will fall on their knees and confess, “My Lord and my God.”

As for dealing with the stuff that comes out of our mouths… I know the feeling.

The 3rd chapter of James has much to say about that and one of my favorite prayers is from the Psalms which says, "12: But who can discern his errors? Clear thou me from hidden faults.
13: Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me! Then I shall be blameless, and innocent of great transgression.
14: Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my rock and my redeemer. "
Pax tecum,
 
Hi,

IMHO the only unforgiveable sin is if you refuse to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and die not believing. There is hope to have a change of heart though as long as you are alive.👍
 
Church_Militant said:
Remember that there is a big difference between a mortal sin and an unforgiveable sin. Mortal sins are still forgiveable so long as one does not blaspheme the Holy Spirit by attributing a work of the Holy Spirit to the the devil. That is the only one recorded in the Bible.

In my studies of the Word of God, I have come to the conclusion that one would have to pretty much reject all graces from God to “go there” as they say. Most people are not likely to do that but more like St. Thomas, when confronted with the ans wer to hs doubts will fall on their knees and confess, “My Lord and my God.”

As for dealing with the stuff that comes out of our mouths… I know the feeling.

The 3rd chapter of James has much to say about that and one of my favorite prayers is from the Psalms which says, "12: But who can discern his errors? Clear thou me from hidden faults.
13: Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me! Then I shall be blameless, and innocent of great transgression.
14: Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my rock and my redeemer. "
Pax tecum,
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AMEN! 👍
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Hi,

IMHO the only unforgiveable sin is if you refuse to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and die not believing. There is hope to have a change of heart though as long as you are alive.👍
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Glad to see you agree with the Catechism of the Catholic Church (see Post #6). 😉
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Hi,

IMHO the only unforgiveable sin is if you refuse to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and die not believing. There is hope to have a change of heart though as long as you are alive.👍
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That’s a nice theory but poor Biblical theology. Can you support it in light of the passage cited above?

I’ll be interested to see your response.
Pax tecum
 
Church_Militant said:
That’s a nice theory but poor Biblical theology. Can you support it in light of the passage cited above?

I’ll be interested to see your response.
Pax tecum
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I thought his answer, which I pretty much agree with, pretty much the standard Catholic belief too.

Can you explain further?
 
thistle said:
CCC 1864 “Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.” There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit. Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss.
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My confessor told me that not accepting the forgivness of sins is the sin against the Spirit. Tim
 
Church_Militant said:
Remember that there is a big difference between a mortal sin and an unforgiveable sin. Mortal sins are still forgiveable so long as one does not blaspheme the Holy Spirit by attributing a work of the Holy Spirit to the the devil. That is the only one recorded in the Bible.

It should be noted that Jesus never says that the Pharisees committed the unforgiveable sin; he only uses their actions as a jumping-off point for his definition of it.

My personal opinion is that the Pharisees were close, but hadn’t committed it, because the tone Jesus takes is very much one of warning them away from danger, rather than condemning them to hell.

Jeremy
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